Where are the reputable dog breeders?

Christine1988

Hi all! I’ve been searching for 3 months now for a Cane Corso puppy here in Ireland with no success. I Then began searching abroad and have spoken to a few breeders from Romania and Serbia, but neither of them will accept payment via PayPal, as they’re claiming PayPal isn’t in either of those countries. I am now looking into getting another breed of mastiff, but I’m still struggling to find any breeders in Ireland for the mastiffs I have looked into (eg. Bull mastiff, dogo Argentino, Presa canaria etc)

Does anyone know a website where reputable breeders are? Thanks in advance for reading and answers

Spanish Eyes

At first guess maybe try the Irish Kennel Club and ask for information/advice?

https://www.ikc.ie/about-us/

Cherry Blossom

No reputable breeder would ever accept payment via PayPal nor would they give you a dog without meeting you in person and seeing you interact with their dogs. You would normally give them payment in person when you go to collect in person unless you are a very well know breeder of that breed already. Have you looked up breed clubs of the dogs that interest you or have you looked on champ dogs? A quick Google tells me the Cane Corso is not a recognised breed in the UK, is it here?

Wilfuler.

Is it even legal here

Why would anyone.want 1 of these

Christine1988

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

At first guess maybe try the Irish Kennel Club and ask for information/advice?


Thanks for your reply, I’ve just emailed them

Christine1988

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

No reputable breeder would ever accept payment via PayPal nor would they give you a dog without meeting you in person and seeing you interact with their dogs. You would normally give them payment in person when you go to collect in person unless you are a very well know breeder of that breed already. Have you looked up breed clubs of the dogs that interest you or have you looked on champ dogs? A quick Google tells me the Cane Corso is not a recognised breed in the UK, is it here?

Hi! I would of course prefer to meet the pup and breeder if I can get the pup in Ireland, I mentioned PayPal as payment as I cannot easily travel to Serbia or Romania to meet a breeder. I am willing to travel anywhere in Ireland for the pup so PayPal would not be necessary in that case.

I haven’t looked into clubs which is a very good idea so I certainly will do that. Corsos are recognised under the mastiff breed in Ireland

Thanks for your reply!

Christine1988

Wilfuler. wrote: »

Is it even legal here

Why would anyone.want 1 of these

Yes I have researched and they are legal in Ireland, they’re very close sister breed, bull mastiffs are illegal in Ireland. They’re an absolutely beautiful breed of dog, in my opinion.

Thanks for your reply

Wilfuler.

Until someone gets a bite off it

Cherry Blossom

Wilfuler. wrote: »

Until someone gets a bite off it

Unless you have something useful or even sensible to say that is of help to the OP, don't post in this thread again.

Thanks,
CB.

Car99

Christine1988 wrote: »

Yes I have researched and they are legal in Ireland, they’re very close sister breed, bull mastiffs are illegal in Ireland. They’re an absolutely beautiful breed of dog, in my opinion.

Thanks for your reply

No dog breed is banned in Ireland but some breeds are restricted. Is Cane torso a strain of mastiff ? If so it would be restricted as it would fall into the Ban Dog category for restricted breeds.

Cherry Blossom

There is a breeder listed in Tipperary on Champdogs. I don't know anything about them but Champdogs is a fairly reputable site.

CelticRambler

Christine1988 wrote: »

Hi all! I’ve been searching for 3 months now for a Cane Corso puppy here in Ireland with no success. I Then began searching abroad and have spoken to a few breeders from Romania and Serbia ...

Why are you going all the way to Romania and Serbia? What's wrong with the breeders in France? Plenty of them, seeing as it's a French breed (OK, Corsican, but the French have adopted it ) - at least 300 listed on the French breeders site (relatively few with pups at the moment, though - only about 50)

I've probably only met about thirty or forty individuals (not counting the litter of 12 pups) - lovely dogs, all of them. But if you can't travel to meet the breeder and the mother, you shouldn't be buying. Besides, how's the pup going to get back to Ireland if you don't collect it?

Christine1988

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

There is a breeder listed in Tipperary on Champdogs. I don't know anything about them but Champdogs is a fairly reputable site.

Good to know, I’ll go have a look there! Thank you

Christine1988

CelticRambler wrote: »

Why are you going all the way to Romania and Serbia? What's wrong with the breeders in France? Plenty of them, seeing as it's a French breed (OK, Corsican, but the French have adopted it ) - at least 300 listed on the French breeders site (relatively few with pups at the moment, though - only about 50)

I've probably only met about thirty or forty individuals (not counting the litter of 12 pups) - lovely dogs, all of them. But if you can't travel to meet the breeder and the mother, you shouldn't be buying. Besides, how's the pup going to get back to Ireland if you don't collect it?

The breeders in Romania and Serbia seemed the best option as they have a ‘puppy nanny’ who travels with the pup and bring him/her to your home. It is very expensive but it seems the best way to have a puppy imported. It’s really a last option if I cannot find one in Ireland. I will respectively disagree with your statement that if I cannot meet the breeder I shouldn’t buy, I have been researching this for months and will be sure to only buy a puppy that I know has been very well reared, has a good line, papers and I have also requested to FaceTime call if I pick that breeder

Thanks for your reply

CelticRambler

Christine1988 wrote: »

The breeders in Romania and Serbia seemed the best option as they have a ‘puppy nanny’ who travels with the pup and bring him/her to your home. It is very expensive but it seems the best way to have a puppy imported.

If you can afford the expense of a courier service, how can you not afford to pop over to a more local breeder in France? Having witnessed first-hand a considerable number of dodgy imports from those two countries (and others more to the north), I would never, ever buy a pup "sight unseen" from Europe's leading puppy farming country. I just don't understand the logic ...

AulWan

Beautiful dogs, I would love one. Though it looks like you'd have to travel to find one. I believe they are italian in origin.

makeandcreate

A friend of mine got a Presa Canaria a few months ago, I will get in touch with them Monday and PM you the details.

strandroad

CelticRambler wrote: »

If you can afford the expense of a courier service, how can you not afford to pop over to a more local breeder in France? Having witnessed first-hand a considerable number of dodgy imports from those two countries (and others more to the north), I would never, ever buy a pup "sight unseen" from Europe's leading puppy farming country. I just don't understand the logic ...

Agree completely, also Serbia is not in the EU nor an EU pet passport compatible country, how would you sort out necessary EU paperwork to avoid the quarantine period?

Christine1988

makeandcreate wrote: »

A friend of mine got a Presa Canaria a few months ago, I will get in touch with them Monday and PM you the details.

Thank you very very much, I would really appreciate that! Thank you!

Christine1988

AulWan wrote: »

Beautiful dogs, I would love one. Though it looks like you'd have to travel to find one. I believe they are italian in origin.

They really are, I have wanted one for so long now & im finally ready for raising another pup!

Thanks for your reply

makeandcreate

Christine1988 wrote: »

Those pups are adorable, I will send them a message, thanks for your help, much appreciated

If you look through that website there are some beauties in the UK and other Mastiff breeds as well - you can bring dogs on the train in the UK so you could even Sail Rail with the dog in the kennel on the ferry - I have an English Bull Terrier and have done that with him bringing him to Wales.

Christine1988

makeandcreate wrote: »

If you look through that website there are some beauties in the UK and other Mastiff breeds as well - you can bring dogs on the train in the UK so you could even Sail Rail with the dog in the kennel on the ferry - I have an English Bull Terrier and have done that with him bringing him to Wales.

That’s a really good idea! I see on the link you sent there’s loads of different types in the UK also, going to make myself a cup of tea and start messaging a few people on there and research sail rail! I really appreciate the help thank you, really thought I was at a loss finding a Mastiff pup! Ps. English Bull Terriers are beautiful companions!

Christine1988

strandroad wrote: »

Agree completely, also Serbia is not in the EU nor an EU pet passport compatible country, how would you sort out necessary EU paperwork to avoid the quarantine period?

Yes that is yet another issue with importing a pup! Hence I’m asking if anyone knows any breeders in Ireland : )

Thanks for your reply

em_cat

Christine1988 wrote: »

Yes I have researched and they are legal in Ireland, they’re very close sister breed, bull mastiffs are illegal in Ireland. They’re an absolutely beautiful breed of dog, in my opinion.

Thanks for your reply

They are not illegal in ROI, it’s just that they are not too popular. I had a cane corso in foster with us for a while. She was lovely, wonderful temperament and very gentle but needed to be worked so we managed to get her into a lovely family home in the country where she helps on the farm, but not as a farm dog. It’s the only cane corso I’ve ever come across here but I see a lot of mastiff & mastiff crosses in rescue and they tend to have the hardest time getting adopted. So please think really really hard before you import a corso pup.

the_syco

Christine1988 wrote: »

but neither of them will accept payment via PayPal, as they’re claiming PayPal isn’t in either of those countries

Buyers can reverse the transaction if it was done via PayPal, leaving the seller with no dog, and no cash. So I'd imagine less people are willing to use it for distance selling.

Cherry Blossom

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NovemberWren

em_cat wrote: »

They are not illegal in ROI, it’s just that they are not too popular. I had a cane corso in foster with us for a while. She was lovely, wonderful temperament and very gentle but needed to be worked so we managed to get her into a lovely family home in the country where she helps on the farm, but not as a farm dog. It’s the only cane corso I’ve ever come across here but I see a lot of mastiff & mastiff crosses in rescue and they tend to have the hardest time getting adopted. So please think really really hard before you import a corso pup.

the rescue mastiff seems a very good option.
but if the cane corso really is Italian in origin, maybe to search some Italian websites.
Or to contact your local Vet, they may know if there are any in this country.
(although the Vet profession should be more prolific here, the numbers trained are not enough, but it is better for them that way).
But, they should know.

AulWan

em_cat wrote: »

I see a lot of mastiff & mastiff crosses in rescue and they tend to have the hardest time getting adopted. So please think really really hard before you import a corso pup.

I adopted one of my dogs from a rescue in Louth and when I went to see her they had a massive (as in huge) English Mastiff up for adoption. She was the size of a pony, but so gentle.

I'd have taken her home with me too only I'd worry I wouldn't be physically strong enough to control a dog that size. Good luck with the puppy search.

em_cat

Ohh I know, I’m petite and the girl we had was about 8 months at the time, can’t remember her weight but walking on a lead wasn’t really an option for us so I attached a tasty kong to my belt and she kept right next to me on our walks, even when I was throwing the ball for our Pom x.

I would have loved to have kept her but it wouldn’t have fair on her as she really needed a big warm fire and work to keep her happy. She lives with a teeny weeny madam of a Chi x named biscuit & is adored by her family. She was imported as a pup, don’t know where from but I know the family that bought her just through her out when she didn’t suit...

charlietheminxx

I saw that there is a rescue trying to rehome a beautiful Dogo Argentino at the moment and they are having a hard time of it.

Please don't import a puppy of unknown origin and background, there are enough dogs needing homes. If you really are set on this breed, then make sure you do it responsibly and not have it delivered to you - if you get a breed like this that hasn't been well socialised early, it's going to be awful for both you and the dog.

Bear in mind that some breeds are completely banned in the UK (I know this includes the Dogo Argentino but I'm not sure about the Cane Corso) and you would not be able to travel through with one of them.

puppieperson1

petbond has been set up to liaise people with reputable breeders a vet set it up as he had his fill of poor puppy farm puppies, petbond.ie

Christine1988

charlietheminxx wrote: »

I saw that there is a rescue trying to rehome a beautiful Dogo Argentino at the moment and they are having a hard time of it.

Please don't import a puppy of unknown origin and background, there are enough dogs needing homes. If you really are set on this breed, then make sure you do it responsibly and not have it delivered to you - if you get a breed like this that hasn't been well socialised early, it's going to be awful for both you and the dog.

Bear in mind that some breeds are completely banned in the UK (I know this includes the Dogo Argentino but I'm not sure about the Cane Corso) and you would not be able to travel through with one of them.

Hi thanks for your reply! I wouldn’t go for a rescue as I already have two dogs so I will need a pup to integrate into my home. I am also not just looking for any Cane Corso but a really good example of the breed. I have discovered over the past few days that you’re not allowed dock tails/ears in Ireland and I ideally want one with docked ears, so it looks like I’ll have to get one imported unfortunately.

However I would certainly not get a pup from an unknown origin, I would want to ensure it has been raised in a good home and not a puppy farm, if I’m putting that much money into a dog I will make sure it’s perfect thanks again for your reply

CelticRambler

Christine1988 wrote: »

I have discovered over the past few days that you’re not allowed dock tails/ears in Ireland and I ideally want one with docked ears, so it looks like I’ll have to get one imported unfortunately.

However I would certainly not get a pup from an unknown origin, I would want to ensure it has been raised in a good home and not a puppy farm, if I’m putting that much money into a dog I will make sure it’s perfect

You want a "perfect" example of the breed, raised in a "good home" and then say you're looking for one that's had it's ears cropped? :eek:

Well good luck reconciling those two contradictory attitudes. Ear cropping is banned throughout Europe, including Serbia and Romania, so if you find someone who can provide you with dog with a docked tail or cropped ears, you'll know for sure that they are a disreputable breeder and the pup is probably being sold illegally.

charlietheminxx

So you want to import a mutilated puppy? And you won't even know if your dogs will accept it until it arrives? I hope you have no luck in procuring one OP because frankly you clearly care about a dog with the correct appearance above the welfare of the dog.

If you're importing an illegally cropped puppy, it is obviously not coming from a good home.

em_cat

OP, what is your purpose for trying to source such a dog, you’ve 2 already and now want a third and further you want it cropped & docked and your willing to import one to get want you want. Are you trying to get it for fighting, hunting, blood sports or what?

I’m only asking because you seem to be ok with the mutilation of a puppy because some KC declared it as a breed standard. Crop & dock is a cruel & unnecessary practice & has been banned across Europe for a reason.

Christine1988

charlietheminxx wrote: »

So you want to import a mutilated puppy? And you won't even know if your dogs will accept it until it arrives? I hope you have no luck in procuring one OP because frankly you clearly care about a dog with the correct appearance above the welfare of the dog.

If you're importing an illegally cropped puppy, it is obviously not coming from a good home.

A mutilated puppy? There’s not much else I can do here but eye roll to your comment lol. I’ve put a deposit down on a female 5 week old black Corso from Bucharest, Romania, and will be getting her in 5 weeks and yes her ears are cropped.

Thanks for all the info everybody!

em_cat

Christine1988 wrote: »

A mutilated puppy? There’s not much else I can do here but eye roll to your comment lol. I’ve put a deposit down on a female 5 week old black Corso from Bucharest, Romania, and will be getting her in 5 weeks and yes her ears are cropped.

Thanks for all the info everybody!

Well that’s now confirmed what I thought, it’s obvs you don’t care about the welfare of your potential puppy, you’ve not met it, seen the parents or it’s living conditions and you are happy to endorse the cruelty & unnecessary practice of cropping. Not to mention you seem not to care about how your other 2 dogs will react or feel about it.

Christine1988

em_cat wrote: »

Well that’s now confirmed what I thought, it’s obvs you don’t care about the welfare of your potential puppy, you’ve not met it, seen the parents or it’s living conditions and you are happy to endorse the cruelty & unnecessary practice of cropping. Not to mention you seem not to care about how your other 2 dogs will react or feel about it.

C’mon you’re being very dramatic. My two dogs are great with other dogs and I have no doubt they will love the new pupper and vice versa. I’m not sure why you hate bully breeds so much, but I assure you they are great protective dogs and fantastic companions, and I would definitely recommend you shake the the idea that they love ‘hunting, blood sports and dogfighting’. As I don’t know you personally, I don’t know how much you’ve been around all of the above, but in my life I’ve never seen any of my bully breed dogs lust for bloodsport, hunting nor harming other dogs. Reguardless, it’s not my job to educate you on this.

I made this thread as I was looking for a cane Corso puppy. I have have found one so this post is no longer needed. If you want to have a row with someone you’re barking up the wrong tree (please excuse the pun :P)

[EDIT: by bully breeds I mean the rough looking dogs, like Corso, pit bulls, staffs - breeds that a lot of people don’t like and/or have a bad opinion about]

em_cat

OP, so you’ve paid somebody to supply you with a surgically mutilated ear cropped dog even though you are aware that is is illegal across the Europe and this includes Hungary. TBH, it makes me sick to my stomach that you came here asking for reputable breeders & you have given money to someone who ignores the law and causes harm intentionally to a sentient being for your own impulse.

strandroad

Christine1988 wrote: »

A mutilated puppy? There’s not much else I can do here but eye roll to your comment lol. I’ve put a deposit down on a female 5 week old black Corso from Bucharest, Romania, and will be getting her in 5 weeks and yes her ears are cropped.

A shocking attitude to be honest. Shocking thread overall, you would have thought such owners are a thing of the past. Yes, cropping their ears is mutilation. One thing we can hope for is that someone notices and you are reported. They might be stopped on import too although it would not help the puppy either, poor dog.

em_cat

Christine1988 wrote: »

C’mon you’re being very dramatic. My two dogs are great with other dogs and I have no doubt they will love the new pupper and vice versa. I’m not sure why you hate bully breeds so much, but I assure you they are great protective dogs and fantastic companions, and I would definitely recommend you shake the the idea that they love ‘hunting, blood sports and dogfighting’. As I don’t know you personally, I don’t know how much you’ve been around all of the above, but in my life I’ve never seen any of my bully breed dogs lust for bloodsport, hunting nor harming other dogs. Reguardless, it’s not my job to educate you on this.

I made this thread as I was looking for a cane Corso puppy. I have have found one so this post is no longer needed. If you want to have a row with someone you’re barking up the wrong tree (please excuse the pun :P)

Sorry, you think I hate bully breeds, you are sooo far off the mark with that, I foster so I get very close to breeds that commonly have botched, infected, mutilated attempts at cropping & docking. There is absolutely no medical reason what so ever to crop any dogs ears. None. This is not an opinion, it’s backed Vet Practices world wide as is also supported by most KCs internationally with some exceptions.

em_cat

Christine1988 wrote: »

C’mon you’re being very dramatic. My two dogs are great with other dogs and I have no doubt they will love the new pupper and vice versa. I’m not sure why you hate bully breeds so much, but I assure you they are great protective dogs and fantastic companions, and I would definitely recommend you shake the the idea that they love ‘hunting, blood sports and dogfighting’. As I don’t know you personally, I don’t know how much you’ve been around all of the above, but in my life I’ve never seen any of my bully breed dogs lust for bloodsport, hunting nor harming other dogs. Reguardless, it’s not my job to educate you on this.

I made this thread as I was looking for a cane Corso puppy. I have have found one so this post is no longer needed. If you want to have a row with someone you’re barking up the wrong tree (please excuse the pun :P)

Sorry, you think I hate bully breeds, you are sooo far off the mark with that, I foster so I get very close to breeds that commonly have botched, infected, mutilated attempts at cropping & docking. There is absolutely no medical reason what so ever to crop any dogs ears. None. This is not an opinion, it’s backed Vet Practices world wide as is also supported by most KCs internationally with some exceptions.

CelticRambler

Christine1988 wrote: »

A mutilated puppy? There’s not much else I can do here but eye roll to your comment lol. I’ve put a deposit down on a female 5 week old black Corso from Bucharest, Romania, and will be getting her in 5 weeks and yes her ears are cropped.

Thanks for all the info everybody!

Well there you go - that's an illegal import. Pups from Romania cannot be imported legally without a passport, which they cannot have until they've had a rabies vaccine, which cannot be given until the pup is 12 weeks of age.

Illegally cropped ears and falsified papers - yep, definitely a sign of a legitimate breeding operation. :rolleyes:

charlietheminxx

That poor little dog I'm actually horrified. My dog is a bull breed btw.

CelticRambler

BTW OP: I hope you realise that you yourself risk prosecution under the Animal Health and Welfare Act 2013 for this illegal import, even if you're not the one to physically smuggle the pup into Ireland.

Given the rarity of the breed in Ireland, and the prohibition on ear-cropping, how are you going to explain things to your local dog warden?

DBB

Christine1988,
You are not coming across well. Considering you used this forum to get help, and now you're just coming across like you're trying to rub people's noses in it, with a pup that, if it actually exists (which I have my doubts about, I think you're just trying to press buttons to annoy people), will be both illegally disfigured and illegally imported. If it exists.
I'm closing this nasty thread now because I dont like to see our posters being taken for fools, nor for their well-intentioned and knowledgeable advice to be wasted on someone who comes across like they're taking the mick.
Christine1988, consider your card marked in this forum.
Thanks,
DBB