Lost wallet

IAMAMORON

normanoffside wrote: »

You make the world a slightly better place by returning the wallet and money and that's all you can do.
Steal the money and you do the opposite.

You really do not get it do you?

If I find money I am not stealing it, am I ?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You really do not get it do you?

If I find money I am not stealing it, am I ?

Theft by finding. Look it up.

Fr_Dougal

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You really do not get it do you?

If I find money I am not stealing it, am I ?

If you find your own money you’re not stealing it. If you find someone else’s money and keep it, that’s theft.

Allinall

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You really do not get it do you?

If I find money I am not stealing it, am I ?

Yes you are.

normanoffside

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You really do not get it do you?

If I find money I am not stealing it, am I ?

Of course you are stealing it if it's in a wallet/purse. It's a specific person's property.

If you find a note on it's own fluttering up the street then that's a different thing IMO.

tuxy

If I had known this I would have been on the lookout for cars in public that still have the key in the ignition!

ldy4mxonucwsq6

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You really do not get it do you?

If I find money I am not stealing it, am I ?

Yes you are actually and could be found guilty of theft.

Of course anything you find can be given to the Gardai, if it goes unclaimed for a year then it's rightfully yours.

IAMAMORON

IAMAMORON wrote: »

If I find money I am not stealing it, am I ?

Of course you are!
There used to be an offense called theft by finding it larceny by finding, under the old larceny act 1916, I think.
Now, it's plain old theft and you can be charged under the theft act 2001, & people have.

Fr_Dougal

bubblypop wrote: »

Of course you are!
There used to be an offense called theft by finding it larceny by finding, under the old larceny act 1916, I think.
Now, it's plain old theft and you can be charged under the theft act 2001, & people have.

It’s theft 100%. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/man-convicted-of-theft-after-finding-nearly-3-000-in-bush-1.289077

weldoninhio

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I take all the cash out of it and then try to contact the owner. If I can get in touch by the time I am going to bed then the owner is in luck. Otherwise I will drop it into my local copshop in the morning, or in fact when I get a chance.

Always try to leave some sort of a phone number in your wallet. Or an address etc.

I am having your cash however, tough titties , you should be more careful with your shít in future. You're lucky to be getting it back at all.

100% correct, the cash is an idiot tax.

weldoninhio

Tessa Melted Wool wrote: »

You see, I would always think that maybe it belongs to someone who really needs that money more than me. It's not mine to keep, maybe thats all they had to live on for the week, maybe they need it for important stuff like food, medicine or for their kids.

I couldn't in good conscience spend money that wasn't mine to spend.

If something is that important to you, look after it.

weldoninhio

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Life is about karma, be a cnut your entire life and life will be a cnut to you.

What a load of absolute hogwash. Laughable.

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

If something is that important to you, look after it.

I'll never forget the time, as a child, maybe 4 or 5, my twin brothers were still in a buggy, my (single parent) mother was doing the grocery shopping, what with 3 small kids & endless bags, nappies, bottles etc, something happened with her purse. Either someone stole it from the bag, or else it fell from one of the bags.
She didn't realise until we got to the till, went to pay...... No purse, no money. It was all her money for the week, for all 4 of us. & this was late 70s, early 80s , when there really wasn't much at all.
I will never forget her tears & how devasted she was.
Do you think that money wasn't important to her? To us?

And no, nobody handed it in

Raconteuse

"Finders keepers" (a phrase used in the primary schoolyard) and "it's their fault for being careless" - the attempts to justify being a thief.

Also, vowing not to return or hand in lost property again because one person was ungrateful or one guard was a scumbag... logic fail.

kirving

bubblypop wrote: »

No purse, no money. It was all her money for the week, for all 4 of us. & this was late 70s, early 80s , when there really wasn't much at all.
I will never forget her tears & how devasted she was.
Do you think that money wasn't important to her? To us?

And no, nobody handed it in

Horrible behaviour to keep the cash. You have no idea who it may affect.

I heard of a similar one from the Superquinn near me at home in the 90's.

It was either a store manager, or Fergal Quinn himself, who was doing the rounds of the shop and came upon a woman with kids who got to the till and couldn't pay for whatever reason.

He told her not to worry and to take the shopping home, saying "I see you here all the time, this one's on us". You wouldn't get that any more.

The fact the law is set up to call it theft if you just find it is another reason to step over it and get on with your day.

weldoninhio

bubblypop wrote: »

I'll never forget the time, as a child, maybe 4 or 5, my twin brothers were still in a buggy, my (single parent) mother was doing the grocery shopping, what with 3 small kids & endless bags, nappies, bottles etc, something happened with her purse. Either someone stole it from the bag, or else it fell from one of the bags.
She didn't realise until we got to the till, went to pay...... No purse, no money. It was all her money for the week, for all 4 of us. & this was late 70s, early 80s , when there really wasn't much at all.
I will never forget her tears & how devasted she was.
Do you think that money wasn't important to her? To us?

And no, nobody handed it in

Not so important as that she looked after it well enough not to lose it. I bet she never lost it again?

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

Not so important as that she looked after it well enough not to lose it. I bet she never lost it again?

Are you actually serious?
You have a horrible attitude

weldoninhio

bubblypop wrote: »

Are you actually serious?
You have a horrible attitude

I’ll take that as a no. She actually looked after it in future.

D3V!L

I found a wallet with cards, drivers licences and other personal items. Thought I was doing the right thing and tried to drop it into Store Street Garda station. Boy was I wrong, all I got was cheek from the Garda who told me he had better things to be doing and refused to take it.

I left it on the counter and walked out.

Raconteuse

bubblypop wrote: »

Are you actually serious?
You have a horrible attitude

He was bound to say that though. His whole schtick is to look really edgy and uncaring because empathy is for pussies - such a cool person. He knows what happened to your mother is awful.

Ignore psychopathy.

There is too much fake empathy going around these days though. Everyone cares and would do this and that and blah blah blah, but when you go out and see what people are really like in the real world you know that it’s the biggest lie of them all.

machaseh

I once found a mobile phone in the streets. It was the nokia 3310 days, so the phone was still turned on and wasnt locked with a password like they would be nowadays. What I did was look through the contacts until I found 'Mama' (mom), and I texted that person with that I had found the phone and which address to send it to. I got a prompt response and sent the phone to her at my own expense. I never received anything in return.

I would attempt to do the same with a wallet, for example, by searching the person on facebook or by bringing it to the gardai.

Raconteuse

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

There is too much fake empathy going around these days though. Everyone cares and would do this and that and blah blah blah, but when you go out and see what people are really like in the real world you know that it’s the biggest lie of them all.

My observation is that most people are very good to others when they're in need. It's on social media that people can be full of sh1t, virtue signalling and the like, but also there are folk who take what you say and use it to justify being a ****. "People are awful so I'll be awful" - it's projection though. Most people aren't awful. If it seems like everyone is a **** to you, then you're the ****.

(I mean the general "you").

Raconteuse

Raconteuse wrote: »

My observation is that most people are very good to others when they're in need. It's on social media that people can be full of sh1t, virtue signalling and the like, but also there are folk who take what you say and use it to justify being a ****. "People are awful so I'll be awful" - it's projection though. Most people aren't awful. If it seems like everyone is a **** to you, then you're the ****.

(I mean the general "you").

Indeed I probably am, but other people play a large part in shaping what you become. Gets to a stage it’s too late to attempt to change then, but nobody is blameless.

weldoninhio

Raconteuse wrote: »

He was bound to say that though. His whole schtick is to look really edgy and uncaring because empathy is for pussies - such a cool person. He knows what happened to your mother is awful.

Ignore psychopathy.

Yes, it’s so edgy to expect someone to look after something that they claim they couldn’t do without. Would it be edgy to tell your child to look after their epipen if they had allergies??

Raconteuse

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Indeed I probably am, but other people play a large part in shaping what you become. Gets to a stage it’s too late to attempt to change then, but nobody is blameless.

I didn't say you're specifically a ****. Not everyone who has your point of view is, but some use it to be one.

But of course there are people who are blameless. Shifting responsibility is no good for anyone.

Raconteuse

weldoninhio wrote: »

Yes, it’s so edgy to expect someone to look after something that they claim they couldn’t do without. Would it be edgy to tell your child to look after their epipen if they had allergies??

Twisting fail btw. I didn't say it's edgy to tell people to mind their stuff.

I said it's edgy to have zero empathy for people who make a slip because of being distracted and human. But you know that - you're just clinging desperately to justify your rotten thievery and attitude.

Raconteuse

Raconteuse wrote: »

I didn't say you're specifically a ****. Not everyone who has your point of view is, but some use it to be one.

But of course there are people who are blameless. Shifting responsibility is no good for anyone.

Ah no I know you didn’t. I was saying I was.

o1s1n

D3V!L wrote: »

I found a wallet with cards, drivers licences and other personal items. Thought I was doing the right thing and tried to drop it into Store Street Garda station. Boy was I wrong, all I got was cheek from the Garda who told me he had better things to be doing and refused to take it.

I left it on the counter and walked out.

Best bet is to hand it into the bank where their bank cards are from.

I would imagine banks care about customers getting their cards back a bit more than a Garda does.

weldoninhio

Raconteuse wrote: »

Twisting fail btw. I didn't say it's edgy to tell people to mind their stuff.

I said it's edgy to have zero empathy for people who make a slip because of being distracted and human. But you know that - you're just clinging desperately to justify your rotten thievery and attitude.

Your mate came in with some sob story about a single mother and three kids looking for sympathy because her mother couldn’t keep track of her purse. The amount of kids or marital status were there to garner sympathy, nothing else. She couldn’t look after a wallet/purse.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The guards will give you a receipt for it. If the owner doesn't claim within a year and a day any cash in said wallet belongs to the finder.

dubstarr

weldoninhio wrote: »

Not so important as that she looked after it well enough not to lose it. I bet she never lost it again?

You must have lost the empathy around the same time.

weldoninhio

dubstarr wrote: »

You must have lost the empathy around the same time.

I emphatise with people who have loved ones die, with kids who get cancer etc. Not with scatterbrains over the age of 16 who can’t keep enough wit about them to look after their wallet/purse. If you lose your wallet with cash in it, consider the lost cash an idiot tax. I’d give back cards, wallet etc in case it did have something sentimental in it. I know my own had my dads Mass card in it.

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

I emphatise with people who have loved ones die, with kids who get cancer etc. Not with scatterbrains over the age of 16 who can’t keep enough wit about them to look after their wallet/purse. If you lose your wallet with cash in it, consider the lost cash an idiot tax. I’d give back cards, wallet etc in case it did have something sentimental in it. I know my own had my dads Mass card in it.

so, no problem with stealing people's money then?

Gorgeousgeorge

Found a clutch bag in a toilet in a kildare town petrol station. Was north of 2k in the wallet at a guess. Left it into the coppers up the road they gave me a receipt. Never heard if it was claimed or not.

Gorgeousgeorge

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

Found a clutch bag in a toilet in a kildare town petrol station. Was north of 2k in the wallet at a guess. Left it into the coppers up the road they gave me a receipt. Never heard if it was claimed or not.

If it was in Kildare then they probably just bought a new gucci bag and wouldn’t miss the 2k anyway.

blade1

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

If it was in Kildare then they probably just bought a new gucci bag and wouldn’t miss the 2k anyway.

Guard would look weird going around with a Gucci bag

Spanish Eyes

Would you be sure that a Garda Station is the most secure place for cash or what? Have read many stories and accounts of money going missing.

But maybe I am just a cynic.

weldoninhio

bubblypop wrote: »

so, no problem with stealing people's money then?

From people too stupid to look after their wallet? None whatsoever.

Neames

Having found a wallet before with money in it, I know I'd hand it in because that's what I did.

Having lost a wallet before with money it, someone kindly handed it in to the Garda Station.

However the money was missing out of mine.

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

From people too stupid to look after their wallet? None whatsoever.

A self confessed thief.
Lovely.

donkeykong5

Hope the man who found my daughters wallet in a car park and drove to her house too return it to her WINS the lotto draw.

Stovepipe

Having had a wallet with my wages in it returned by a stranger, who refused any money. I eventually got him to take a tenner, at a time when a tenner meant something, I was so glad to get it back, as the bureaucracy for replacing lost cards and Driver's licence and work ID is a serious pain in the hole. In the airport where i work, we routinely reunite people with lost licenses, ID cards, bank cards, wallets and so on. I will always make the effort to get lost stuff back.

weldoninhio

bubblypop wrote: »

A self confessed thief.
Lovely.

Is that the big revelation/put down you were hoping for?? Hahahahaha

Prominent_Dawg

I wouldn't drop it into a Garda station, would rather take the credit for it myself

tuxy

Prominent_Dawg wrote: »

I wouldn't drop it into a Garda station, would rather take the credit for it myself

Find them myself - Bank - Garda Station
That would be my preference in order.

Karma...

NoDrama

NoDrama wrote: »

Karma...

I’ll guess.


.....doesn’t exist?

tuxy

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I’ll guess.


.....doesn’t exist?

No it doesn't
The only thing we can be sure of from this thread is that some people are decent and some are scumbags.