Cheltenham 2020

Pogue eile

shanboghted wrote: »

Am I mad that I think petit mouchoir could be am ew bet for the champion hurdle at 40's ? Has form in the race and looks close to that form from 2/3 years back over hurdles

I dont think there is any selection that could be deemed mad in this renewal, there are massive gapping holes in all the leading players, I have finally come down on Saldier who I think has the strongest piece of form in the race but it's a wide open contest.

Pogue eile

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Min v APT in the Ryanair could be epic
Love both, usually back both
Head scratcher!

Could do worse than dutch the pair of them @ 3/1

IAMAMORON

yaboya1 wrote: »

Well they're right to go back hurdling as he's a woeful jumper of a fence. Not sure why they're going the stayers route though. Doesn't look like he's crying out for 3m to me and the champion is looking pretty open atm. The ballymore has been a good trial for the champion over the years too.

Ballymore is a great pointer to the Champion Hurdle over the years.

I still won't back him however. But it makes the most sense as it is a more open looking race.

The only horse that can beat Paisley Park is Paisley Park. It worries me she pulled him at Ascot the last time, his next run is key, if Paisley Park does not win, there is an issue there.

Slattsy

akelly02 wrote: »

seen somewhwere they reckon its irish champ hurdle then mares hurdle for cheltenham ....i can see that changing after she wins the irish champion handy enough

I think she'll only go CH route if she wins the Irish version well, and i mean very well.

EICVD

Regarding the Pertemps qualifiers, almost certain there is or it’s coming soon a qualifier at Punchestown as well.

Dr. Bre

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Ballymore is a great pointer to the Champion Hurdle over the years.

I still won't back him however. But it makes the most sense as it is a more open looking race.

The only horse that can beat Paisley Park is Paisley Park. It worries me she pulled him at Ascot the last time, his next run is key, if Paisley Park does not win, there is an issue there.

I fancy if the cap fits to beat paisley

IAMAMORON

Dr. Bre wrote: »

I fancy if the cap fits to beat paisley

I have heard worse shouts. The 8/1 is a good ew bet, if he definitely goes. He has never raced at Cheltenham, so it cannot be argued he won't like the course.

The only issue I have here is that it looks like Fry deliberately skipped Cheltenham for the Aintree race last year ( or was he injured slightly ?), everything in behind had been to Cheltenham, while this is a nice example of horse placing, I am always dubious of horses which skip Cheltenham for Aintree.

Eitherways beating the mares allowance was a good result and he is on the shortlist.

RivetingRoger

Anyone be surprised if Paisely is pulled before we get to Saturday
I actually fully expect it to happen

BoldReason

He was pulled the last day as the ground was absolutely bottomless.
That will be the only reason they will pull him again. Can't see it around Cheltenham myself.

stretchaq

stretchaq wrote: »

Would be very keen on conflated for the MARTIN pipe serious word knocking around for him 25/1

heard from a reliable source thats the aim, but you know yourself these things tend to change

akelly02

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Anyone be surprised if Paisely is pulled before we get to Saturday
I actually fully expect it to happen

Not a hope roger , remember when he ruined your life last year, when your beloved faugheen went down on his sword !!!

RivetingRoger

akelly02 wrote: »

Not a hope roger , remember when he ruined your life last year, when your beloved faugheen went down on his sword !!!

HOW DARE YOU!:mad:


Oh a reckoning is coming for all you Faugheen haters!
A RECKONING!!!!


:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

akelly02

RivetingRoger wrote: »

HOW DARE YOU!:mad:


Oh a reckoning is coming for all you Faugheen haters!
A RECKONING!!!!


:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

ohh dont get me wrong, im a faugheen lover, was delighted when he won at xmas!!!

even though he ran well in the stayers, he was never gonna beat paisley !!

RivetingRoger

akelly02 wrote: »

ohh dont get me wrong, im a faugheen lover, was delighted when he won at xmas!!!

even though he ran well in the stayers, he was never gonna beat paisley !!

Gonna hack up in the Marsh/JLT
Just you watch!!
#Doubtersgonnadoubt

akelly02

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Gonna hack up in the Marsh/JLT
Just you watch!!
#Doubtersgonnadoubt

do him in a double with paisley before he runs this saturday so

RivetingRoger

akelly02 wrote: »

do him in a double with paisley before he runs this saturday so

Already have him backed in the novice chases

Slattsy

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Gonna hack up in the Marsh/JLT
Just you watch!!
#Doubtersgonnadoubt

Is there a chance he goes RSA?

spuddiesal

Slattsy wrote: »

Is there a chance he goes RSA?

Yes I’d say he will as Mullins has a lot more ammunition for JLT.

Laurina to win (or come close to Faugheen) next week over 2m5f and then laurina for jlt. Faugheen
RSA

Slattsy

spuddiesal wrote: »

Yes I’d say he will as Mullins has a lot more ammunition for JLT.

Laurina to win (or come close to Faugheen) next week over 2m5f and then laurina for jlt. Faugheen
RSA

That was my thinking too. Melon could go JLT too?
And if they're sending Carefully Selected for the NH Chase, that only leaves Allaho (off top of my head - open to correction) as their RSA horse?

However, if Faugheen does go JLT.... how goos must they think Allaho is?

Yes I've snapped up some 20s on Allaho fwiw.

spuddiesal

Slattsy wrote: »

That was my thinking too. Melon could go JLT too?
And if they're sending Carefully Selected for the NH Chase, that only leaves Allaho (off top of my head - open to correction) as their RSA horse?

However, if Faugheen does go JLT.... how goos must they think Allaho is?

Yes I've snapped up some 20s on Allaho fwiw.

I can’t see him overturning Minella Indo.

Slattsy

spuddiesal wrote: »

I can’t see him overturning Minella Indo.

But sure isnt that half the craic! The price reflects that expectancy tbh, so i'm happy to take it!

madmoose

Allaho went through the AB like a JLT horse for me and Patrick said he could be their Black Hercules type and go the JLT when most see him as a stayer.

famagusta

I can still see carefully selected turn up in the rsa, he'll have right chance too

stretchaq

famagusta wrote: »

I can still see carefully selected turn up in the rsa, he'll have right chance too

Can’t see it backed off boards for 4m, and Patrick want to ride him

RivetingRoger

Markets seem to think Faugheen will go JLT, currently 7/1F
14/1 for RSA

I would be confident in either race
No way he wins an Arkle or the NHC I wouldnt think

BoldReason

stretchaq wrote: »

Can’t see it backed off boards for 4m, and Patrick want to ride him

Black Hercules similar a few years ago he was in the region of 4 or 5/1 the week before the festival and up until declarations when Willie changed his mind.

Nothing is done until it is done with Willie.

RivetingRoger

Champ has to be the worst Fav at the festival
Couldn't back him with stolen money

akelly02

who fancys thyme hill lads?

RivetingRoger

akelly02 wrote: »

who fancys thyme hill lads?

Fury Road for me in that one AK

IAMAMORON

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Champ has to be the worst Fav at the festival
Couldn't back him with stolen money

Certainly gets beat from time to time and the jumping error he made lto is not what you want your beans on.

However I think the horse is very very talented, so it is one of those. I thought to get beaten last year and then to come back and win at Aintree shows resilience, you want those qualities in horses your backing. He has some engine in fairness, but I would think there will be plenty of 7/2 available on the day, so no great excuse to back him before that.

If he runs in the RSA I will be looking for EW value from something else. It is not a great race for favourites either.

The worst favourite of the festival I think is Benie Des Deux, I am not saying she can't win but the mares race looks very open. Roksana is 10/1, Honey suckle, Epatante, Stormy Ireland, Concertista etc. Huge value in that race.

City Island is 12/1 favourite for the Close bros? What the holy phuck?:( Be careful out there.

https://www.oddschecker.com/cheltenham-festival/close-brothers-novices-handicap-chase/winner

BoldReason

BoldReason wrote: »

Black Hercules similar a few years ago he was in the region of 4 or 5/1 the week before the festival and up until declarations when Willie changed his mind.

Nothing is done until it is done with Willie.

Has not been given an RSA entry anyway so rules that out.

Imhof Tank

Slattsy wrote: »

That was my thinking too. Melon could go JLT too?
And if they're sending Carefully Selected for the NH Chase, that only leaves Allaho (off top of my head - open to correction) as their RSA horse?

However, if Faugheen does go JLT.... how good must they think Allaho is?

Yes I've snapped up some 20s on Allaho fwiw.

Strongly suspect they see Allaho as their No 1 novice and I will be with him for the rest of the season wherever he goes.

When he was beat by the stable neglected at Christmas Willie and Townend spent a good 10 minutes debriefing in the parade ring after, animated discussion, chin stroking. They were absolutely crestfallen. Then Willie steps into the photo with the winner for 2 seconds with its connections and then back to Allaho.

Great fun people watching at the races!

Pogue eile

Think(hope) the 20/1 on Sporting John for the Ballymore will look huge on Saturday evening

RivetingRoger

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Certainly gets beat from time to time and the jumping error he made lto is not what you want your beans on.

However I think the horse is very very talented, so it is one of those. I thought to get beaten last year and then to come back and win at Aintree shows resilience, you want those qualities in horses your backing. He has some engine in fairness, but I would think there will be plenty of 7/2 available on the day, so no great excuse to back him before that.

If he runs in the RSA I will be looking for EW value from something else. It is not a great race for favourites either.

The worst favourite of the festival I think is Benie Des Deux, I am not saying she can't win but the mares race looks very open. Roksana is 10/1, Honey suckle, Epatante, Stormy Ireland, Concertista etc. Huge value in that race.

City Island is 12/1 favourite for the Close bros? What the holy phuck?:( Be careful out there.

https://www.oddschecker.com/cheltenham-festival/close-brothers-novices-handicap-chase/winner

Still think that?

Earendil

Pogue eile wrote: »

Think(hope) the 20/1 on Sporting John for the Ballymore will look huge on Saturday evening

Been waiting for this fella, was hoping he'd go Supreme but it will probably be Ballymore and Chantry house to the SNH.

akelly02

throw benie into the champion and she wins

WicklowBravee

akelly02 wrote: »

throw benie into the champion and she wins

Reckon she’d win any race at the Festival.

IAMAMORON

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Still think that?

I do actually.

I never said she wasn't good enough, what I said was that the mares hurdle is a very competitive race. Nothing has changed.

But she looked very good today, in fairness.

IAMAMORON

Just to put things in perspective as well, before everyone gets carried away.

She looked good today, but what has she beaten?

Apples Jade looks finished.
Penhill hasn't won a race in 2 years.
Kilutagh Vic hasn't won a race since new years eve 2017.
Death Duty hasn't run since 2017
Mary Frances - got paid € 900 for finishing.

She beat them all by 30 yards, but whatever turns up at Cheltenham will be fitter.
She is a great mare but everything in perspective please.

WicklowBravee

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Just to put things in perspective as well, before everyone gets carried away.

She looked good today, but what has she beaten?

Apples Jade looks finished.
Penhill hasn't won a race in 2 years.
Kilutagh Vic hasn't won a race since new years eve 2017.
Death Duty hasn't run since 2017
Mary Frances - got paid € 900 for finishing.

She beat them all by 30 yards, but whatever turns up at Cheltenham will be fitter.
She is a great mare but everything in perspective please.

We’re not just basing it off today’s run but all her previous form. I honestly think if she lined up in any race at Cheltenham, Townend would choose to ride her.

spuddiesal

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Just to put things in perspective as well, before everyone gets carried away.

She looked good today, but what has she beaten?

Apples Jade looks finished.
Penhill hasn't won a race in 2 years.
Kilutagh Vic hasn't won a race since new years eve 2017.
Death Duty hasn't run since 2017
Mary Frances - got paid € 900 for finishing.

She beat them all by 30 yards, but whatever turns up at Cheltenham will be fitter.
She is a great mare but everything in perspective please.

Penhill being trained easy. Will show big improvement at Cheltenham.
Kilultagh vic to win the 3m handicap hurdle at Cheltenham this year.

spuddiesal

Honeysuckle to win at Leopardstown and win champion hurdle at Cheltenham

Laurina to mess up at Leopardstown and go for mares hurdle

Benie to run in stayers

530/1

Motivator

spuddiesal wrote: »

Penhill being trained easy. Will show big improvement at Cheltenham.
Kilultagh vic to win the 3m handicap hurdle at Cheltenham this year.

The Pertemps? Not a chance in hell will a horse like Killultagh Vic ever win a race like that at the Festival. If he was the only runner in the race I still wouldn’t fancy him.

He’s also not entered or even qualified to run in the Pertemps.

spuddiesal

Motivator wrote: »

The Pertemps? Not a chance in hell will a horse like Killultagh Vic ever win a race like that at the Festival. If he was the only runner in the race I still wouldn’t fancy him.

He’s also not entered or even qualified to run in the Pertemps.

Coral. WTch back his last few races. Going out in front to get a blow. Will be held up at Cheltenham. Similar what they did with Wicklow Brave last year

Dr. Bre

Killultagh was finished years ago

stretchaq

spuddiesal wrote: »

Penhill being trained easy. Will show big improvement at Cheltenham.
Kilultagh vic to win the 3m handicap hurdle at Cheltenham this year.

Agree on Penhill kilitagh vic hasn’t been the same horse since the leopardstown injury

Slattsy

Santini (Gold Cup winner 2020 ) is out tomorrow. Must be some horse to keep right, but sky is the limit for this fella.

Slattsy

Allaho out tomorrow. Early Doors probably only only 33% fit. Could win doing handstands. Get on now if you fancy it for the RSA.

The RSA looks very strong this year but I'm certain this fella is top class.

Andrew00

Lads do ye fancy anything for next weekends Dublin festival?

Nothing really stands out value wise bar maybe Supasundae at 20s for ICH

madmoose

Slattsy wrote: »

Allaho out tomorrow. Early Doors probably only only 33% fit. Could win doing handstands. Get on now if you fancy it for the RSA.

The RSA looks very strong this year but I'm certain this fella is top class.

Just be safe and back any race 12/1 as could go JLT or RSA