We need rationing and wartime style restrictions..

PCeeeee

Still waters wrote: »

The planet will be fine once human parasites will be extinct

You're a human yourself?

Phoebas

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Nobody is asking but I wonder what Mr Gibbons and the Irish Times would like to see rationed, fuel and food are the two obvious candidates... and the restrictions they would like to see.. free speech maybe, they don't like that and that's a typical wartime restriction, along with freedom of movement. The various Marxists that have rebranded themselves as "enviormentalists" and /or "activists" Are salivating at this prospect no doubt, drooling.

That's quite a leap you're making.

tototoe

handlemaster wrote: »

bicycle perhaps or walk

Not for business use.

Still waters

PCeeeee wrote: »

You're a human yourself?

Obviously :pac:

Thelonious Monk

Phoebas wrote: »

That's quite a leap you're making.

These people have some fantasy where anyone who thinks we need to make changes for the good of the planet are also people who think we shouldn't be allowed speak about immigration and trans people or whatever they're called etc.
They're frustrated in many ways.

cantalach

KungPao wrote: »

Can’t we just kill the poor?

The junk food, booze, and fags that the corporations pedal will see off most of them, and the soulless auto-tuned crap from the music industry will surely cause any survivors to take matters into their own hands. Happy new year.

cantalach

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

These people have some fantasy where anyone who thinks we need to make changes for the good of the planet are also people who think we shouldn't be allowed speak about immigration

Maybe your username is ironic or something but do you reckon the NYC jazz scene would have happened without the mass migration from the South of impoverished blacks seeking freer, more prosperous lives?

Thelonious Monk

cantalach wrote: »

Maybe your username is ironic or something but do you reckon the NYC jazz scene would have happened without the mass migration from the South of impoverished blacks seeking freer, more prosperous lives?

What has that got to do with anything?

cantalach

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What has that got to do with anything?

As they say, if you have to explain something, you’ve already lost. Move along. Nothing to see here.

Jimmy Garlic

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

These people have some fantasy where anyone who thinks we need to make changes for the good of the planet are also people who think we shouldn't be allowed speak about immigration and trans people or whatever they're called etc.
They're frustrated in many ways.

Who decides what should be rationed and restricted in order to "save the planet". What do you think should be rationed and restricted?

Mr. teddywinkles

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Actually there is more arable land in Africa than there is in Europe. Its just either unused or mismanaged.
Guess what is going to happen to all the africans when they work out the tit is turned off from the first world? They are all coming to the first world.

Maybe engineer some disease like dick rot or something. Control population growth.

Phoebas

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Who decides what should be rationed and restricted in order to "save the planet". What do you think should be rationed and restricted?

Elected governments decide of course.

And what will they restrict in order to effect 'radical decarbonisation'? Carbon obviously and other greenhouse gases.

Jimmy Garlic

Phoebas wrote: »

Elected governments decide of course.

And what will they restrict in order to effect 'radical decarbonisation'? Carbon obviously and other greenhouse gases.

They have absoutely no mandate to do so. Carbon is a part of all aspects of modern life or food, clothes, shelter, transport, the works.. restrict everything?

lawred2

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

They have absoutely no mandate to do so. Carbon is a part of all aspects of modern life or food, clothes, shelter, transport, the works.. restrict everything?

this is sounding Brexity

skooterblue2

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Maybe engineer some disease like dick rot or something. Control population growth.

what do you think AIDS was?

Phoebas

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

They have absoutely no mandate to do so.

Not only do elected governments have mandates to tackle man made climate change; they have a responsibility to do so.

Carbon is a part of all aspects of modern life or food, clothes, shelter, transport, the works.. restrict everything?

If necessary yes, but let's start on the low hanging fruit like fossil fuels.

skooterblue2

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

They have absoutely no mandate to do so. .. restrict everything?

Keep the poor poorer, while they pontificate from Ivory Towers. Same with Gun Control.

skooterblue2

Phoebas wrote: »

Carbon obviously and other greenhouse gases.

What is the largest green house gas? Water vapour.

Phoebas

skooterblue2 wrote: »

What is the largest green house gas? Water vapour.

And ...?

skooterblue2

Phoebas wrote: »

And ...?

how do you plan to control water vapour?

Phoebas

skooterblue2 wrote: »

how do you plan to control water vapour?

Increased levels of C02 etc act to trap more water vapour, so if we can reduce C02 etc this will in turn lead to a reduction in water vapour.
It would be a positive feedback loop.

What's your net point here?

threeball

Saw an Attenborough documentary a few years ago that mentioned that if people consumed resources at the rate of the average American it could at most sustain 1 billion people.

We are currently over 7bn heading for 8bn and the aspiration for alot of those people is to eventually live to a standard at or above that enjoyed in the US or Europe. The reality is we're pretty fcuked already and there is little to no chance we dissuade the emerging nations from their ambitions or reduce the standards of the US, EU, Australia etc.

We're cutting down mature forests at a rate that is impossible to match in terms of replanting. Decimating entire ecosystems with little to no understanding of the consequences. It would be foolish to try and not stem the tide but the likelihood is that we won't bother our arse as seen in Madrid so mother nature will do the job herself.

threeball

Phoebas wrote: »

Increased levels of C02 etc act to trap more water vapour, so if we can reduce C02 etc this will in turn lead to a reduction in water vapour.
It would be a positive feedback loop.

What's your net point here?

Warming oceans also increases water vapour so the increasing co2 is like a catalyst.

skooterblue2

Phoebas wrote: »

Increased levels of C02 etc act to trap more water vapour, so if we can reduce C02 etc this will in turn lead to a reduction in water vapour.
It would be a positive feedback loop.

What's your net point here?

I dont know, How are you going to reduce CO2 emissions without interfering with the general population. Make Solar panels everywhere which cant be recycled and they have no idea how to deal with the toxic components of the panels? Stop the planet for a day?

The real answer could be much simpler.

threeball

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I dont know, How are you going to reduce CO2 emissions without interfering with the general population. Make Solar panels everywhere which cant be recycled and they have no idea how to deal with the toxic components of the panels? Stop the planet for a day?

The real answer could be much simpler.

Plenty of huge polluters could move to electrical process heating rather than using fossil fuels, there should be a concerted effort to see airlines move to hydrogen within the next 10yrs. There's more planes going in the sky everyday and the world temp dropped 1c when flights were grounded after 9/11. Prevent the decimation of forests worldwide. Replant most of whats been lost. Relatively easy but effective measures.

skooterblue2

threeball wrote: »

Plenty of huge polluters could move to electrical process heating rather than using fossil fuels, there should be a concerted effort to see airlines move to hydrogen within the next 10yrs. There's more planes going in the sky everyday and the world temp dropped 1c when flights were grounded after 9/11. Prevent the decimation of forests worldwide. Replant most of whats been lost. Relatively easy but effective measures.

Or that we could be the intelligent monkey who noticed all these things and the earths climate has changed many times before. None of these bonkers predictions like the ice caps melting in the 1990's and then the earth could switch poles have ever come to fruition and now we are expected that the world will end in 14 odd years? I have lived through the nuclear power threat and the cold war. Its all a distraction while the government and big corporations are taking away your rights and taxing you to death. Here have some Monsanto grown corn, its safe trust me I am a scientist.

threeball

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Or that we could be the intelligent monkey who noticed all these things and the earths climate has changed many times before. None of these bonkers predictions like the ice caps melting in the 1990's and then the earth could switch poles have ever come to fruition and now we are expected that the world will end in 14 odd years? I have lived through the nuclear power threat and the cold war. Its all a distraction while the government and big corporations are taking away your rights and taxing you to death. Here have some Monsanto grown corn, its safe trust me I am a scientist.

The climate has changed before but we havent had 7bn people to support, We had a tiny population of survivors, early man built tough and the ability to forage in extreme conditions.

Keep fooling yourself that it will all blow over, every shread of evidence say otherwise. If you lived through the missle crisis you'll likely be dead before the worst happens so you won't care either way.

Jimmy Garlic

Phoebas wrote: »

Not only do elected governments have mandates to tackle man made climate change; they have a responsibility to do so.


If necessary yes, but let's start on the low hanging fruit like fossil fuels.

Who is going to knowingly vote for policies that will inevitably make them poorer? Who the f(uk would vote to be rationed and restricted? Nobody That's why this monumental scam and power grab is being sold to people in the vaguest and most simplistic ways possible.

Jimmy Garlic

threeball wrote: »

The climate has changed before but we havent had 7bn people to support

What's the final solution?

Beechwoodspark

I honestly don’t think the reality of how dire the situation is has got through to ppl especially some boardsies

skooterblue2

threeball wrote: »

The climate has changed before but we havent had 7bn people to support, We had a tiny population of survivors, early man built tough and the ability to forage in extreme conditions.

Keep fooling yourself that it will all blow over, every shread of evidence say otherwise. If you lived through the missle crisis you'll likely be dead before the worst happens so you won't care either way.

So let nature take its course. I am sure we had 6 Bn Dinosaurs at one stage or other. You should be much more concerned that home economics teachers are telling kids to wash vegetables in water when herbicides and pesticides are oil based!
I haven't lived through the Cuban missile crisis but I do remember russian-American nuclear disarment talks. The world ending in 14 years unless we rip down everything and rebuilt it and tax it...... ahhh now you are pulling the leg.

threeball

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Who is going to knowingly vote for policies that will inevitably make them poorer? Who the f(uk would vote to be rationed and restricted? Nobody That's why this monumental scam and power grab is being sold to people in the vaguest and most simplistic ways possible.

Who exactly is grabbing power if the majority don't give a ****e and won't vote for them. Was Donald Trump a power grab on the back of climate change, Boris perhaps, or maybe Leo who has spent less than the steam of his own pi$$ on climate change measures. It doesn't rank well in you big book of conspiracy theories.

Lux23

I don't think humanity is worth saving.

skooterblue2

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

What's the final solution?

Shove all the people who voted for Trump, think Gretta Thunberg is a puppet for the NWO, people who see hate speech as censorship and Bilderbergs are herding us all like sheep, into a meat grinder to use as garden fertilizer.

Phoebas

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Who is going to knowingly vote for policies that will inevitably make them poorer? Who the f(uk would vote to be rationed and restricted? Nobody

People who recognise that there is a problem and take a longer term view of what is in their own best interest.

threeball

Lux23 wrote: »

I don't think humanity is worth saving.

The world would certainly be better off without us and we won't be long going the way of the species we're forcing to extinction when the time comes.

MonkieSocks

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Shove all the people who voted for Trump, think Gretta Thunberg is a puppet for the NWO, people who see hate speech as censorship and Bilderbergs are herding us all like sheep, into a meat grinder to use as garden fertilizer.

Or food,,,,,,Soylent Green

Jimmy Garlic

threeball wrote: »

Who exactly is grabbing power if the majority don't give a ****e and won't vote for them. Was Donald Trump a power grab on the back of climate change, Boris perhaps, or maybe Leo who has spent less than the steam of his own pi$$ on climate change measures. It doesn't rank well in you big book of conspiracy theories.

Marxists masquerading under their cloak of fake environmental activism. The media is absolutely infected with these types. The Irish Times is getting more evangelical by the day. Boris and Leo are just proof that there is no mandate for rolling out communism. You could fit all the Green Tds into a phonebox.

threeball

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Marxists masquerading under their cloak of fake environmental activism. The media is absolutely infected with these types. The Irish Times is getting more evangelical by the day. Boris and Leo are just proof that there is no mandate for rolling out communism. You could fit all the Green Tds into a phonebox.

If you could fit them in a phone box why are you so exercised about them and their "scam". How about you stop reading the IT and start reading Breitbart instead. You'll be much happier

Agricola

Listened to this podcast recently. Sobering stuff. Two big takeaways from it for me were that there is centuries, maybe millennia of further warming already built into the oceans, such is the level of Co2 they have absorbed since human industrialization began.

Also, climate scientists seem to think even if emissions were stopped tomorrow, we're already on course to completely melt the Greenland ice sheet, which will mean 7m of sea level rise.

I don't think theres any doubt that we're headed for a bad outcome or a very very bad outcome. Future generations in the next several hundred years are looking at, at best, a severely reduced quality of life to the one we now enjoy in the first world, at worst, to something approaching an apocalypse.

threeball

Agricola wrote: »

Listened to this podcast recently. Sobering stuff. Two big takeaways from it for me were that there is centuries, maybe millennia of further warming already built into the oceans, such is the level of Co2 they have absorbed since human industrialization began.

Also, climate scientists seem to think even if emissions were stopped tomorrow, we're already on course to completely melt the Greenland ice sheet, which will mean 7m of sea level rise.

I don't think theres any doubt that we're headed for a bad outcome or a very very bad outcome. Future generations in the next several hundred years are looking at, at best, a severely reduced quality of life to the one we now enjoy in the first world, at worst, to something approaching an apocalypse.

And this will in turn lead to war as people compete for space and water.

skooterblue2

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Marxists masquerading under their cloak of fake environmental activism. The media is absolutely infected with these types. The Irish Times is getting more evangelical by the day. Boris and Leo are just proof that there is no mandate for rolling out communism. You could fit all the Green Tds into a phonebox.

Its not the papers that is fueling this rubbish. You should see the rubbish they are propagating at University with unigender toilets and how all men are rapist. These dopes are teaching your children. I havent seen one transgender person in a university for 20k students.

Shefwedfan

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its not the papers that is fueling this rubbish. You should see the rubbish they are propagating at University with unigender toilets and how all men are rapist. These dopes are teaching your children. I havent seen one transgender person in a university for 20k students.

Your not looking hard enough

Agricola

threeball wrote: »

And this will in turn lead to war as people compete for space and water.

Yep, theres bound to be some form of ecological apocalypse at some point in the future but long before that humanity will probably bring about one in the final clamour for dwindling resources / habitable land etc

skooterblue2

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Your not looking hard enough

We arent permitted to ask after some arts student asked someone else in the canteen what was their gender and someone else got offended..... Now I am scared to say boo to a goose.
BTW what gender do you identify today?

2011abc

The linked Irish Times article said the polar ice had been reducing by ten per cent annually since the 1970s ....I'm all for environmental awareness ( habitat destruction etc) but this CO2 stuff is b011ix.

Beechwoodspark

Agricola wrote: »

Listened to this podcast recently. Sobering stuff. Two big takeaways from it for me were that there is centuries, maybe millennia of further warming already built into the oceans, such is the level of Co2 they have absorbed since human industrialization began.

Also, climate scientists seem to think even if emissions were stopped tomorrow, we're already on course to completely melt the Greenland ice sheet, which will mean 7m of sea level rise.

I don't think theres any doubt that we're headed for a bad outcome or a very very bad outcome. Future generations in the next several hundred years are looking at, at best, a severely reduced quality of life to the one we now enjoy in the first world, at worst, to something approaching an apocalypse.

Thanks. Will give this a listen later on

Jimmy Garlic

2011abc wrote: »

The linked Irish Times article said the polar ice had been reducing by ten per cent annually since the 1970s ....I'm all for environmental awareness ( habitat destruction etc) but this CO2 stuff is b011ix.

A 400% reduction since 1979:eek:!!!:eek: listen to the science!!

threeball

2011abc wrote: »

The linked Irish Times article said the polar ice had been reducing by ten per cent annually since the 1970s ....I'm all for environmental awareness ( habitat destruction etc) but this CO2 stuff is b011ix.

CO2 wasn't around before the 70s and hasn't been massively increasing every decade?

Phoebas

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

A 400% reduction since 1979:eek:!!!:eek: listen to the science!!

I think before you start giving out about the science, you should first get your head around basic maths.