Why do 85% of GPs not provide abortion services? - mod warning in OP (01/01/20)

osarusan · 31-12-2019 10:09pm

I would guess that in the vast majority of cases, the GPs are offering medical abortions (pills), rather than ones requiring any surgery. I'm assuming Irish GPs would have very very little experience of, or training for, surgical abortions.

Even then, I guess GPs don't want the woman in the practice for hours between the taking of the pill and the end of the bleeding.

How does it happen in other countries? I'd always imagined that any surgical one takes place in a specialised clinic.

Mad_maxx · 31-12-2019 10:10pm

Where's the surprise?

GP,s do fcuk all bar treating chest infections and forwarding people on to hospital

Allinall · 31-12-2019 10:10pm

dartboardio wrote: »

Disgraceful. Considering it is legal now, I presumed most would have taken it on. Rather leave a vulnerable young woman helpless in her time of need because of what they think is right or wrong, in their personal life.

Which particular vulnerable young woman are you referring to?

I have heard of zero women complaining about lack of access to abortion services.

Not saying there aren’t any, but you would have thought it would be highlighted after the legislation was enacted.

Methinks it’s people getting agitated for no reason.

FAMLEE · 31-12-2019 10:10pm

Ginger83 wrote: »

I don't want to kill an unborn baby......you're fired

yep that'd work out well :rolleyes:

Scumbag. Have some empathy for the women who have to deal with this issue & make a CONSIDERATE decision.

KaneToad · 31-12-2019 10:13pm

FAMLEE wrote: »

Scumbag. Have some empathy for the women who have to deal with this issue & make a CONSIDERATE decision.

Yikes. Such aggression.

FAMLEE · 31-12-2019 10:16pm

KaneToad wrote: »

Yikes. Such aggression.

Will you be at mass 30 minutes early tomorrow in order to get a front seat?

uptherebels · 31-12-2019 10:17pm

People need to look at this as any other service provided by GP's. Not every GP provides every service.
Firstly there is demand for it. A practice with multiple GP's aren't going to have all the GP's provide it, as the numbers requiring it won't be sufficient for the cost/time in training them all. So one would provide it to the practice.
Then there are those who won't ever have enough cases so it is easier and for some I would imagine, in their view, safer for the patient to refer to a more experienced/sufficiently trained doctor.
Then there are those who won't ever provide it under any circumstance.
Now what % of GP's provide it is irrelevant, wether it is 1% or 99%, as long as the number is sufficient to meet demand.

Ginger83 · 31-12-2019 10:19pm

FAMLEE wrote: »

Scumbag. Have some empathy for the women who have to deal with this issue & make a CONSIDERATE decision.

Mind your language.

No GP would not help a patient in need.

All no voters must be scum so

Heart Break Kid · 31-12-2019 10:21pm

FAMLEE wrote: »

Will you be at mass 30 minutes early tomorrow in order to get a front seat?

Why are you feeding the troll. Doesn't matter if abortion is ethically moral or not. Its legal and thats it.

What would be more interesting, would be finding out why so few GPs provide abortion services. Is it a genuine strain on the current services they provide. Is it cost prohibitive and the value provide by the state to perform not financially feasible or is it simply because they hate women, end of story.

FAMLEE · 31-12-2019 10:21pm

Ginger83 wrote: »

Mind your language.

No GP would not help a patient in need.

All no voters must be scum so

My primary language is English.

I beg to differ. 3-7+ days for an appointment.

Absolutely correct, a "no" voter is a scumbag, undeniably.

Pauliedragon · 31-12-2019 10:22pm

I would say a lot of doctors might be scared of a potential backlash from pro lifers. We've all read of cases over the years in other countries of places being vandalised and worse. I'm not saying it would go that far but it's still a devisive issue here. It might take a generation of people who never remember a country without abortion to have it more normalised and make more doctors comfortable providing it.

Ginger83 · 31-12-2019 10:28pm

FAMLEE wrote: »

My primary language is English.

I beg to differ. 3-7+ days for an appointment.

Absolutely correct, a "no" voter is a scumbag, undeniably.

A moronic opinion

Plumbthedepths · 31-12-2019 10:31pm

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Hippocratic oath.
Save life, not end life.

Doctors in Ireland don't take the oath, just saying....

jrosen · 31-12-2019 10:38pm

I personally have a huge issue with medical clinics be they GP or hospitals refusing to provide this service. Ireland voted, women have been granted safe and legal access to abortion in this country and each and every woman no matter where she lives should be able to access the abortion pill locally.

However...

Because the govn have failed to introduce exclusion zones around GP's surgeries and hospitals it means a lot of GP;s who want to offer this service are nervous to do so incase they have protests outside their surgeries.

splinter65 · 31-12-2019 10:38pm

FAMLEE wrote: »

Because they have ZERO morals.

A doctor not wanting to have anything to do with ending a life means that doctor has “ZERO morals”..... yeah, makes sense (scratches chin thoughtfully).

Beechwoodspark · 31-12-2019 10:40pm

Most GPs have no intention of providing such services.

splinter65 · 31-12-2019 10:40pm

jrosen wrote: »

I personally have a huge issue with medical clinics be they GP or hospitals refusing to provide this service. Ireland voted, women have been granted safe and legal access to abortion in this country and each and every woman no matter where she lives should be able to access the abortion pill locally.

However...

Because the govn have failed to introduce exclusion zones around GP's surgeries and hospitals it means a lot of GP;s who want to offer this service are nervous to do so incase they have protests outside their surgeries.

.....or maybe, like my own GP, they don’t want to be abortion facilitators, and won’t be forced to either.

Beechwoodspark · 31-12-2019 10:41pm

If they are afraid of potential disruption that is only going to embolden the protestors

splinter65 · 31-12-2019 10:42pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Doctors in Ireland don't take the oath, just saying....

Seems doctors in Ireland aren’t going to be told they have to be abortion facilitators either, just saying....

splinter65 · 31-12-2019 10:45pm

dartboardio wrote: »

Disgraceful. Considering it is legal now, I presumed most would have taken it on. Rather leave a vulnerable young woman helpless in her time of need because of what they think is right or wrong, in their personal life.

In my personal life I think slavery is wrong. If slavery is legalised, do I have to facilitate you if you want to buy a slave?

splinter65 · 31-12-2019 10:47pm

FAMLEE wrote: »

What about the woman's choice? & probable drain on our social welfare system?

What drain on our SW system?

Shefwedfan · 31-12-2019 10:48pm

FAMLEE wrote: »

My primary language is English.

I beg to differ. 3-7+ days for an appointment.

Absolutely correct, a "no" voter is a scumbag, undeniably.

Maybe Do some research instead of ranting and raving, it took me 5 seconds on google to find this which is over a year old

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.thejournal.ie/readme/medical-abortion-is-not-part-of-routine-general-practice-85-of-gps-are-of-this-opinion-4064057-Jun2018/%3famp=1

splinter65 · 31-12-2019 10:50pm

FAMLEE wrote: »

There should be no choice for GP's , the people have spoken.

If they cant facilitate the service they must find employment elsewhere.

Yeah they can move on and we can replace them from the endless supply of doctors queueing up to be GPs .... oh, wait, hmmm....I see...

splinter65 · 31-12-2019 10:55pm

KaneToad wrote: »

Yikes. Such aggression.

Will you stop and go way out of that now.
Everyone knows that only pro life people are aggressive and angry. Pro abortion people are all lovely and gentle and full of compassion.
Did you not know that?

MrMusician18 · 31-12-2019 10:55pm

It does seem a bit odd..I remember something like 100's of GPs declared their support for repealing the 8th.

I doubt this is anything to do with morals but refusing to provide additional services unless additional money and training is provided l

uptherebels · 31-12-2019 10:59pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Seems doctors in Ireland aren’t going to be told they have to be abortion facilitators either, just saying....

The legal obligation to refer would say you are wrong

KaneToad · 31-12-2019 11:10pm

FAMLEE wrote: »

Will you be at mass 30 minutes early tomorrow in order to get a front seat?

I'm not RC, so not likely...

uck51js9zml2yt · 31-12-2019 11:13pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Where's the surprise?

GP,s do fcuk all bar treating chest infections and forwarding people on to hospital

You obviously don't know what GP's do!

KaneToad · 31-12-2019 11:14pm

FAMLEE wrote: »

Absolutely correct, a "no" voter is a scumbag, undeniably.

Ah, I see, this is the level you debate at...

EL_Loco · 31-12-2019 11:30pm

rough measure statistically speaking, info regard 2010 from here:

https://www.ifpa.ie/sites/default/files/documents/briefings/abortion-and-ireland-factfile.pdf

" 4,402 women from the Republic of Ireland are recorded as having an abortion in England & Wales in 2010."

divided by 365

12.06 a day demand for abortions.

possible 15% is enough to cater to demand?

bowing out here, people are just rehashing referendum arguments. Happy new year to you all.

Why do 85% of GPs not provide abortion services? - mod warning in OP (01/01/20)

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