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Replace smoke detector with heat detector

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  • 01-01-2020 11:36am
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    stiofan85
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    We have a smoke detector in our kitchen that keeps going off when we use the oven. Need to be flash gordon to get stuff out of the oven without setting it off. Can I replace with a heat detector?

    House is a new build and has smoke detectors in every room, interlinked.


    Thanks


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    #2
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,596 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    I would if it was my house.


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    alan4cult
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭alan4cult


    How clean is the oven? It shouldn't be smoking.
    Could you move the smoke alarm?
    I wouldn't put in a heat detector, better to detect smoke. By the time you detect heat a fire would be further on.


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    stiofan85
    Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭stiofan85


    alan4cult wrote: »
    How clean is the oven? It shouldn't be smoking.
    Could you move the smoke alarm?
    I wouldn't put in a heat detector, better to detect smoke. By the time you detect heat a fire would be further on.

    It's brand new. Not smoking, literally a waft of steam would set it off.

    Just looking here and it's only 1.5m from the oven. I could replace with a heat detector and put a smoke detector on the other side of the room. It's a new build so easy to run a cable through the trusses and link them up


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    aido79
    Registered Users Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    stiofan85 wrote: »
    We have a smoke detector in our kitchen that keeps going off when we use the oven. Need to be flash gordon to get stuff out of the oven without setting it off. Can I replace with a heat detector?

    House is a new build and has smoke detectors in every room, interlinked.


    Thanks

    Smoke alarms should never be put in kitchens. Heat detectors should be used instead. It's just common sense and the electrician should have known this.

    I'm not sure of the regs but do smoke alarms have to go in bedrooms? It makes more sense to put them outside the bedroom as fires are more likely to start outside the bedroom.


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    dathi
    Registered Users Posts: 1,407 ✭✭✭dathi


    aido79 wrote: »
    Smoke alarms should never be put in kitchens. Heat detectors should be used instead. It's just common sense and the electrician should have known this.

    I'm not sure of the regs but do smoke alarms have to go in bedrooms? It makes more sense to put them outside the bedroom as fires are more likely to start outside the bedroom.

    taken from the building regs TGDs

    Category LD2: Interconnected self-contained
    mains powered/battery backed Smoke/Heat
    Alarms (as Grade D above) shall be suitably
    located in:
    (1) all circulation areas that form part of
    an escape route within the dwelling,
    and
    (2) all high fire risk areas/rooms e.g.
    kitchen, living rooms, garages, utility
    rooms and
    (3) all bedrooms


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    aido79
    Registered Users Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭aido79


    dathi wrote: »
    taken from the building regs TGDs

    Category LD2: Interconnected self-contained
    mains powered/battery backed Smoke/Heat
    Alarms (as Grade D above) shall be suitably
    located in:
    (1) all circulation areas that form part of
    an escape route within the dwelling,
    and
    (2) all high fire risk areas/rooms e.g.
    kitchen, living rooms, garages, utility
    rooms and
    (3) all bedrooms

    Thanks. I wasn't disputing it. I just think it makes more sense to put them outside a bedroom door rather than inside the actual bedroom.


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    mcgragger
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭mcgragger


    If it's not smoke and going off with steam then it sounds like a heat detector albeit a very sensitive one. Heavy steam might be enough to trigger an optical smoke head though.

    Test it with a hair dryer. See if it goes off.

    Could be a faulty head if steam is very light. They are inexpensive to replace.


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    stiofan85
    Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭stiofan85


    mcgragger wrote: »
    If it's not smoke and going off with steam then it sounds like a heat detector albeit a very sensitive one. Heavy steam might be enough to trigger an optical smoke head though.

    Test it with a hair dryer. See if it goes off.

    Could be a faulty head if steam is very light. They are inexpensive to replace.

    It's a smoke detector. Think I'll just swap for a heat detector. Previous house had a heat detector similar distance from oven and never a bother. I just wanted to check the regs had not changed since that was put in.

    Can anyone tell me from the attached pic what is a suitable heat detector that would be compatible?


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    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    aido79 wrote: »
    Thanks. I wasn't disputing it. I just think it makes more sense to put them outside a bedroom door rather than inside the actual bedroom.


    20 years ago, I would have agreed with that thought, but the proliferation of all mannner of electrical devices, some that have chargers that are usually left on all the time means there is now probably more fire risk in bedrooms than there is in a circulation area.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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    mcgragger
    Registered Users Posts: 450 ✭✭mcgragger


    stiofan85 wrote: »
    It's a smoke detector. Think I'll just swap for a heat detector. Previous house had a heat detector similar distance from oven and never a bother. I just wanted to check the regs had not changed since that was put in.

    Can anyone tell me from the attached pic what is a suitable heat detector that would be compatible?

    https://www.eielectronics.ie/products/fire/mains/ei144rc-heat-alarm/


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    stiofan85
    Registered Users Posts: 505 ✭✭✭stiofan85


    mcgragger wrote: »
    https://www.eielectronics.ie/products/fire/mains/ei144rc-heat-alarm/

    Thanks, ordered one there.

    Happy New Year :)


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    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 17,100 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    aido79 wrote:
    Thanks. I wasn't disputing it. I just think it makes more sense to put them outside a bedroom door rather than inside the actual bedroom.


    I would agree with you. Personally I think battery ones should be banned. The amount of homes I'm in, particularly rented accommodation, where the wire is hanging out with no battery. Hard wired should be minimum standard imo


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