General Premier League Thread 2019-20

Oranage2

It's mad, Liverpool couldn't even qualify for the europa league 3 or 4 seasons ago and now their fans are the most insightful set of supporters to to have ever followed the game...

Adamcp898

joe_99 wrote: »

Only assister or scorer count

You sure about that? I thought it was if you gained an advantage at all by use of an arm in the lead up to a goal it was to be ruled out.

joe_99

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's mad, Liverpool couldn't even qualify for the europa league 3 or 4 seasons ago and now their fans are the most insightful set of supporters to to have ever followed the game...

What are you on about?

joe_99

Adamcp898 wrote: »

You sure about that? I thought it was if you gained an advantage at all by use of an arm in the lead up to a goal it was to be ruled out.

Yes. That's the rule.

Adamcp898

joe_99 wrote: »

Yes. That's the rule.

Makes it an even worse rule in that case

marklazarcovic

joe_99 wrote: »

What are you on about?

Nobody cares

joe_99

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Makes it an even worse rule in that case

Totally. Awful rule.

ShamoBuc

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's mad, Liverpool couldn't even qualify for the europa league 3 or 4 seasons ago and now their fans are the most insightful set of supporters to to have ever followed the game...

Unbearable really, and it shows.

j8wk2feszrnpao

joe_99 wrote: »

What are you on about?

Don’t bother. You’re not going to get a logical reply. Basically, Orange2’s blind hatred leads to nonsensical statements.

Mr.Crinklewood

Love the roll eyes from Andy Madley

niallo27

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's mad, Liverpool couldn't even qualify for the europa league 3 or 4 seasons ago and now their fans are the most insightful set of supporters to to have ever followed the game...

I do enjoy your posts most of the time as they are bat **** crazy but I'm struggling to make sense of this one

Martin Tyler AgueroooOO

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's mad, Liverpool couldn't even qualify for the europa league 3 or 4 seasons ago and now their fans are the most insightful set of supporters to to have ever followed the game...

I think you need to go into treatment to get over your obsession with Liverpool fans.

Fitz*

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's mad, Liverpool couldn't even qualify for the europa league 3 or 4 seasons ago and now their fans are the most insightful set of supporters to to have ever followed the game...

'why should I bother listening to your opinion on football, you may have watched 30+ seasons on football but Notts Forest are crap and in the Championship'

What a ridiculous statement. Trying to put down someone's opinion because their team was not successful 5 seasons ago.

super_furry

What is the point of Mourinho if he can't even organise a defence anymore?

Martin Tyler AgueroooOO

No chance Jose will be Spurs manger at the start of next season.

super_furry

Martin Tyler AgueroooOO wrote: »

No chance Jose will be Spurs manger at the start of next season.

Be hilarious to see Levy scrambling around trying to get Pochettino back in the summer.

Martin Tyler AgueroooOO

Martin Tyler AgueroooOO wrote: »

No chance Jose will be Spurs manger at the start of next season.

Doubt many Spurs fans will be too upset. Mourinho is yesterday's man.

Fitz*

Starting 4 CBs plus Dier who is a quasi-CB, so essentially 5 CBs, is very odd.

Why not play 3 with Aurier & Sessegnon as wingbacks

MD1990

incredible some people thought Mourinho done well at Man Utd because he picked up some little cups.

Ginger Mourinho doing a number on him so far. Spurs made a huge mistake getting Mourinho in.

ebbsy

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's mad, Liverpool couldn't even qualify for the europa league 3 or 4 seasons ago and now their fans are the most insightful set of supporters to to have ever followed the game...

Yes, I would like to think of myself as such.

ynwa

bangkok

MD1990 wrote: »

incredible some people thought Mourinho done well at Man Utd because he picked up some little cups.

Ginger Mourinho doing a number on him so far. Spurs made a huge mistake getting Mourinho in.

Man utd made a mistake getting him as well

j8wk2feszrnpao

Clear pushes in the back allowed now in the PL.
Terrible by the ref.

Agent Coulson

Clear and Obvious error from the ref so where is VAR.

Oranage2

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's mad, Liverpool couldn't even qualify for the europa league 3 or 4 seasons ago and now their fans are the most insightful set of supporters to to have ever followed the game...

It is axiomatic that the more successful the club, the more intelligent the fan.

In fact, as a club goes up the table, tests show that the IQ of their fans increases, they start reading more non fiction and learning new languages.

NewRed2

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Clear and Obvious error from the ref so where is VAR.

The ref told var he saw it and the contact wasn't enough to warrant a foul.
Or at least that's what they said on the american river I watched it on.
So they're basically implying that he saw it and called it so they can't intervene. But surely it's still an obvious error? Because clearly the error was in his judgment that that wasn't enough contact, there very clearly was.
It's all nonsense. Just scrap VAR and let the ref go over and have a look at a monitor so he can see the incident more clearly afterwards.

That would stop all this bull

j8wk2feszrnpao

NewRed2 wrote: »

Just scrap VAR and let the ref go over and have a look at a monitor so he can see the incident more clearly afterwards.

That would stop all this bull

You’re assuming that the ref would change his mind. It was clear in real time, shouldn’t need reviewing.

fullstop

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's mad, Liverpool couldn't even qualify for the europa league 3 or 4 seasons ago and now their fans are the most insightful set of supporters to to have ever followed the game...

It’s mad the obsession you seem to have with them I’d say. Seems like you’ve been thinking about them all afternoon.

NewRed2

munstermagic11 wrote: »

You’re assuming that the ref would change his mind. It was clear in real time, shouldn’t need reviewing.

Yes you're right, I'm assuming he would. Well lets face it, if he went over and looked at replays and still couldn't see his error then he shouldn't be a referee in the first place.
And yeah again, you're right, it was obvious in real time but to be fair people make mistakes. I'm saying if he gets to go and look at it again he would realise the mistake.
VAR on the other hand, they let the goal stand and compounded the error.
That ref will have already seen footage by now and realise he got it wrong so why not let him see the footage immedialy afterwards and give him the opportunity to correct the error?
We dont need VAR, we need a screen at the side of the pitch so the ref can check if he got something wrong.

j8wk2feszrnpao

NewRed2 wrote: »

Yes you're right, I'm assuming he would. Well lets face it, if he went over and looked at replays and still couldn't see his error then he shouldn't be a referee in the first place.
And yeah again, you're right, it was obvious in real time but to be fair people make mistakes. I'm saying if he gets to go and look at it again he would realise the mistake.
VAR on the other hand, they let the goal stand and compounded the error.
That ref will have already seen footage by now and realise he got it wrong so why not let him see the footage immedialy afterwards and give him the opportunity to correct the error?

I just think that the ref saw it, and if he checked it again, he’d stay with his decision. I think they’d be less inclined to overturn their own decisions.
We probably need to hear the conversation between the ref and VAR before we know, but the FA set a stupid standard for VAR to over turn the ref.

gimli2112

super_furry wrote: »

What is the point of Mourinho if he can't even organise a defence anymore?

the comedy

yourdeadwright

gimli2112 wrote: »

the comedy

Not all bad United play City tomorrow, Likely get beat and then Spurs have a chance at home next week to leap frog then,
Everything still to play for

NewRed2

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I just think that the ref saw it, and if he checked it again, he’d stay with his decision. I think they’d be less inclined to overturn their own decisions.

Really if any Ref saw that again and still stuck to the original decision that it wasn't a foul then they're not fit for purpose and they don't ref at that level again.

Basically with the monitor you give them a 2nd chance and sure if it's as clear as today's one and they still get it wrong then they can be held accountible. I couldnt see todays Ref allowing that goal if he had the benefit of replays. And if he did then there's no excuse and he knows his job is on the line so I don't think it's true that they'd stick to wrong decisions out of being stubborn.

With VAR the waters are muddied too much and this "clear obvious error" stuff just leaves everyone pulling their hair out.

ERG89

super_furry wrote: »

What is the point of Mourinho if he can't even organise a defence anymore?

Watch out Radioactive Man Nagelsmann!

https://twitter.com/NickGodwinsport/status/1235341190125490178?s=19

Iused2likebusts

He had to do that as he went all out for the FA cup unlike any other manager of a top 6 team by basically playing full strength teams in the FA cup. This is what he does targets the domestic cups to try get an early trophy on board.

This is it

Jose slating Ndombele in the after match interview. How bad was he?

NewRed2

This is it wrote: »

Jose slating Ndombele in the after match interview. How bad was he?

He does things like that. Then he wonders afterwards why he loses dressing rooms.
I know things had gone downhill for Poccetinho there but by God he was ten times the manager Jose is. He had Spurs regularly qualifying for champions league football and reached a European Cup final.
Look what they've replaced him with!!!

JPA

He is absolutely toxic.

y0ssar1an22

handball in the buildup to burnley's goal. why not ruled out?

bangkok

This is it wrote: »

Jose slating Ndombele in the after match interview. How bad was he?

Its typical jose.

A leopard never changes spots

y0ssar1an22

i was annoyed when utd sacked him. it is beginning to look like they may have made the correct decision. He did win a few trophies, so fair play for that; but is he beginning to look a bit lost, his aura gone? wonder will he ever manage a big team again? i previously thought psg, juve or bayern. now, not so sure.
i suppose must bear in mind they are without 3 of their (i'm including erikson) best players

ArmaniJeanss

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

handball in the buildup to burnley's goal. why not ruled out?

It was pre the corner kick wasn't it?
They don't go back that far, the ball out of play is like a reset.

NewRed2

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i was annoyed when utd sacked him. it is beginning to look like they may have made the correct decision. He did win a few trophies, so fair play for that; but is he beginning to look a bit lost, his aura gone?

Just my own opinion but football evolved and Jose didn't.
I dont watch much football outside of Premier League but you look at the top 4 sides and every single one of them is managed by a coach who has a clear philiosophy about quick passing football.
Then you look at sides like Wolves and Man Utd and they're not top 4 but the idea is similar. All 6 of those sides are lightning at counter attacking and to varying degrees they can move the ball around fast and crisp.
Jose never played like that. His ideal team would be organised at the back and a target man to hit and scrape 1-0's. And everywhere he went he had massive funds to buy who he wanted.
But he never evolved. He got sacked by Chelsea, sacked by Madrid, sacked by Man Utd and will be sacked by Spurs.
He called Wenger a specialist in failure but he's becoming pretty good at it himself.
He throws players under the bus in interviews and brings conflict everywhere he goes.

gimli2112

my joy over his regular and spectacular failures is tempered by the knowledge he gets a huge payoff every time, they should tar and feather him and run him out of London

Shanotheslayer

Jose is a future Everton manager I can see it now.

j8wk2feszrnpao

NewRed2 wrote: »

With VAR the waters are muddied too much and this "clear obvious error" stuff just leaves everyone pulling their hair out.

The ref may very well think it wasn't a clear error on his part. I mean, it was blatant in real-time and he felt it was ok. It's not a VAR issue, it's a ref issue.

j8wk2feszrnpao

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

handball in the buildup to burnley's goal. why not ruled out?

Not a handball by the assist or goal scorer. VAR can't intervene, ref either missed it or felt it was accidental.

y0ssar1an22

NewRed2 wrote: »

Just my own opinion but football evolved and Jose didn't.
I dont watch much football outside of Premier League but you look at the top 4 sides and every single one of them is managed by a coach who has a clear philiosophy about quick passing football.
Then you look at sides like Wolves and Man Utd and they're not top 4 but the idea is similar. All 6 of those sides are lightning at counter attacking and to varying degrees they can move the ball around fast and crisp.
Jose never played like that. His ideal team would be organised at the back and a target man to hit and scrape 1-0's. And everywhere he went he had massive funds to buy who he wanted.
But he never evolved. He got sacked by Chelsea, sacked by Madrid, sacked by Man Utd and will be sacked by Spurs.
He called Wenger a specialist in failure but he's becoming pretty good at it himself.
He throws players under the bus in interviews and brings conflict everywhere he goes.

is there anything tangible that you can point to though; that separates his porto/inter chelsea vs chelsea/utd/spurs. like what changed? its not money judging by inter and porto (i'm leaving out madrid cos he was relatively successful vs arguably the best club side ever).

maybe its more psychological and he's just jaded, generally fed up with the game. he never looks happy anymore

NewRed2

munstermagic11 wrote: »

The ref may very well think it wasn't a clear error on his part. I mean, it was blatant in real-time and he felt it was ok. It's not a VAR issue, it's a ref issue.

Precisely why the Ref should have pitch side monitors to review his decision.
It happens so quickly in real time so give him the chance to look at it again.
I'm not sure what your issue is with this, you seem to believe if a Ref makes a bad call he won't reverse it but if he's given the chance of better pictures after he most probably would.
I think I'm wasting my time arguing with you on this, refs aren't robots they can get it wrong in real time and admit errors if given the chance to review them, it's fairly simple.

y0ssar1an22

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

It was pre the corner kick wasn't it?
They don't go back that far, the ball out of play is like a reset.

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Not a handball by the assist or goal scorer. VAR can't intervene, ref either missed it or felt it was accidental.

if he saw the handball it would be called as such. i dunno, i think they need to establish rules and enforce them regardless of what the ref sees/doesnt see, feels/doesnt feel

j8wk2feszrnpao

NewRed2 wrote: »

Precisely why the Ref should have pitch side monitors to review his decision.
It happens so quickly in real time so give him the chance to look at it again.
I'm not sure what your issue is with this, you seem to believe if a Ref makes a bad call he won't reverse it but if he's given the chance of better pictures after he most probably would.
I think I'm wasting my time arguing with you on this, refs aren't robots they can get it wrong in real time and admit errors if given the chance to review them, it's fairly simple.

And my simple point is that they could still not reverse their decision. You seem to think that they would, with no guarantees. I didn't say he wouldn't reverse it, I just don't believe that they would as you seem to suggest. It was clear in real time, but the ref felt it wasn't a foul, so I doubt he would reverse it.

If he didn't think it was a foul, why would he go over to a monitor? PGMOL told refs to sparingly use monitors before the season, and that hasn't really changed as the season has gone on. The ref could have gone over, but he chose not to.