General Premier League Thread 2019-20

Backstreet Moyes

bangkok wrote: »

Ole nominated for december manager of the month

Let's ignore the last 11 months so that makes up for everything

Guy:Incognito

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/goal/status/1213217520531988480

long passing at its best

The type of long ball Ireland were known for in the Jack years.

fullstop

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The type of long ball Ireland were known for in the Jack years.

It was meant for VVD’s head :pac:

Harry Palmr

TAA ignored VVD cos Robbo was in an acre of space. If you watch Liverpool you'll notice TAA does that sort of thing quite a lot.

Shanotheslayer

Harry Palmr wrote: »

TAA ignored VVD cos Robbo was in an acre of space. If you watch Liverpool you'll notice TAA does that sort of thing quite a lot.

Ignores VAA? Definitely issues between them. Should probably get rid of both in Jan :pac:

bangkok

Nuts102 wrote: »

Let's ignore the last 11 months so that makes up for everything

Nothing got to do with his nomination for manager of the month for december

BrookieD

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/goal/status/1213217520531988480

long passing at its best

That pass is outrageous:D

bangkok

never ceases to amaze me how negative the utd thread does be even before a ball is kicked

Whatsisname

bangkok wrote: »

never ceases to amaze me how negative the utd thread does be even before a ball is kicked

Never creases to amaze me how often you bitch about the United thread in here.

pjohnson

Whatsisname wrote: »

Never creases to amaze me how often you bitch about the United thread in here.

I'm amazed that this amazes you.

internelligent

bangkok wrote: »

never ceases to amaze me how negative the utd thread does be even before a ball is kicked

As a Liverpool fan I watched all games I could in the Hodgson era. Some of it was just awful and I'd easily have been very negative about upcoming games before a ball is kicked. I can fully appreciate the negativity in the Utd thread especially considering where Man Utd once stood and where they are now.
How does this still amaze you?

.G.

Whatsisname wrote: »

Never creases to amaze me how often you bitch about the United thread in here.

Well he's thread banned from it so has to do it here rather than in it.

Dcully

bangkok wrote: »

never ceases to amaze me how negative the utd thread does be even before a ball is kicked

Go tell them, we don't particularly care here.

Actually scratch that, didn't know you were banned.

Skylinehead

bangkok wrote: »

never ceases to amaze me how negative the utd thread does be even before a ball is kicked

Mod: The next time you mention a thread you're banned from, will get you a forum ban.

Shanotheslayer

Turns out the negativity was right.

The last thing United need was a replay. Wolves probably didn't want one either

Shanotheslayer

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Turns out the negativity was right.

The last thing United need was a replay. Wolves probably didn't want one either

I've never seen such grace given to manager in the modern era for complete and utter horse**** being produced week in week out.

TitianGerm

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Turns out the negativity was right.

The last thing United need was a replay. Wolves probably didn't want one either

Replay will be played the midweek before the Liverpool game I think.

theoneeyedman

More classy Engerlish journalism, he's only one of them foriners anyway , can fak off to Europe with the rest of them innit...

https://twitter.com/DenisSuarez6/status/1213531992555479044?s=19

Shanotheslayer

I didn't see the game Titan/ T.hanks (Sorry on phone can't multi quote)

Anything of note happen? My United friend described it as they could have been there til 10 o clock and still not scored.

ERG89

theoneeyedman wrote: »

More classy Engerlish journalism, he's only one of them foriners anyway , can fak off to Europe with the rest of them innit...

https://twitter.com/DenisSuarez6/status/1213531992555479044?s=19

Better than these 3 morons anyway


https://twitter.com/UsmanA__/status/1213153954315546624?s=19

Shanotheslayer

theoneeyedman wrote: »

More classy Engerlish journalism, he's only one of them foriners anyway , can fak off to Europe with the rest of them innit...

https://twitter.com/DenisSuarez6/status/1213531992555479044?s=19

Jesus Christ that's a joke you'd expect from Footy Accums or something or twitter.

TitianGerm

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I didn't see the game Titan/ T.hanks (Sorry on phone can't multi quote)

Anything of note happen? My United friend described it as they could have been there til 10 o clock and still not scored.

I was ironing shirts for work while the game was on. The ironing was more exciting

Shanotheslayer

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I didn't see the game Titan/ T.hanks (Sorry on phone can't multi quote)

Anything of note happen? My United friend described it as they could have been there til 10 o clock and still not scored.

Your United friend is correct.
An Accurate representation of what's being produced.
But this has been the common performance for over a year.

Shanotheslayer

TitianGerm wrote: »

I was ironing shirts for work while the game was on. The ironing was more exciting

I sent that to Mammy Shano over Christmas. Collection date tomorrow :pac:

pjohnson

theoneeyedman wrote: »

More classy Engerlish journalism, he's only one of them foriners anyway , can fak off to Europe with the rest of them innit...

https://twitter.com/DenisSuarez6/status/1213531992555479044?s=19

Why did they include his wife/partner in the second pic :pac:

Shanotheslayer

pjohnson wrote: »

Why did they include his wife/partner in the second pic :pac:

Family Christmas Special Robbery .

It'll be on BBC1 next year

Trigger

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I didn't see the game Titan/ T.hanks (Sorry on phone can't multi quote)

Anything of note happen? My United friend described it as they could have been there til 10 o clock and still not scored.

Here is the highlights for ya

Shanotheslayer

Trigger wrote: »

Here is the highlights for ya

The two touch passing is too good for this United team :pac:

bangkok

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Your United friend is correct.
An Accurate representation of what's being produced.
But this has been the common performance for over a year.

Still in the race for top 4, still in fa cup, still in league cup semi final, still in europa league.

Players still fighting for the manager, rashford playing fantastic, fred has actually improved as a player, greenwood and williams look the real deal, but yea its all negative....

giveitholly

bangkok wrote: »

Still in the race for top 4, still in fa cup, still in league cup semi final, still in europa league.

Players still fighting for the manager, rashford playing fantastic, fred has actually improved as a player, greenwood and williams look the real deal, but yea its all negative....

And Ole nominated for December manager of the month

ShamoBuc

bangkok wrote: »

Still in the race for top 4, still in fa cup, still in league cup semi final, still in europa league.

Players still fighting for the manager, rashford playing fantastic, fred has actually improved as a player, greenwood and williams look the real deal, but yea its all negative....

bangkok

giveitholly wrote: »

And Ole nominated for December manager of the month

There are positives there. He needs a few more signings of course but at least you can see he is building something. His 3 signings so far have been a plus

Shanotheslayer

bangkok wrote: »

Still in the race for top 4, still in fa cup, still in league cup semi final, still in europa league.

Players still fighting for the manager, rashford playing fantastic, fred has actually improved as a player, greenwood and williams look the real deal, but yea its all negative....

Just because you're still in the race. Doesn't mean you're a good horse. It just means the other horses are equally as ****e. I.E Arsenal/Spurs.

Mr.Nice Guy

bangkok wrote: »

Still in the race for top 4, still in fa cup, still in league cup semi final, still in europa league.

Players still fighting for the manager, rashford playing fantastic, fred has actually improved as a player, greenwood and williams look the real deal, but yea its all negative....

The fact you see those things as positives shows how far United have sunk.

rob316

bangkok wrote: »

There are positives there. He needs a few more signings of course but at least you can see he is building something. His 3 signings so far have been a plus

Have they been a plus? United can't keep a clean sheet after spending 130m on the defence.

bangkok

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The fact you see those things as positives shows how far United have sunk.

Everything cant be a negative.

Rashford has 16 goals this season. That is a fantastic return for such a young player.

Players are still fighting hard for ole, just lacking that bit of quality.

bangkok

rob316 wrote: »

Have they been a plus? United can't keep a clean sheet after spending 130m on the defence.

Wan bissaka has been a super signing and maguire has slotted in well.

FluffPiece

Wan bissaka has been a good solid signing, no doubt about it. Good price in this day and age. Very good RB.

Maguire is an overrated overpriced pudding that's been slopped over the bowl into the defence. Mind you he's an upgrade on what was there before, so he has that going for him.

TitianGerm

rob316 wrote: »

Have they been a plus? United can't keep a clean sheet after spending 130m on the defence.

Kept s clean sheets tonight :P

Shanotheslayer

bangkok wrote: »

Wan bissaka has been a super signing and maguire has slotted in well.

So why can't they keep clean sheets? Who's at fault?

Trigger

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

So why can't they keep clean sheets? Who's at fault?

Ole

Shanotheslayer

Trigger wrote: »

Ole

Well I know that. You know that half the world knows that but Bangkok so I'm curious to think what he thinks will resolve it :pac
Because tbh imo. United could have TAA VAA & Robbo there and they still would be utilized correctly

pjohnson

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Well I know that. You know that half the world knows that but Bangkok so I'm curious to think what he thinks will resolve it :pac:

The power of Pogba I bet.

Fitz*

I think Maguire is not having a good season at all. Has been caught out positionally a couple times (Arsenal game when he was totally out of sync wit the rest of the defence for example). He has no turning pace at all so United playing a higher line is out of the question, as he will get exposed too much.

Lindelof is actually the more critical defender in that partnership IMO.

brinty

Shanotheslayer wrote:

So why can't they keep clean sheets? Who's at fault?

Pogba

Shanotheslayer

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Well I know that. You know that half the world knows that but Bangkok so I'm curious to think what he thinks will resolve it :pac
Because tbh imo. United could have TAA VAA & Robbo there and they still would be utilized correctly

Another narrative that's pegged out is that fans who see the issues are apparently just being negative over everything. Which is a big load of bolox.

There have been a small few positives but more from an individual aspect than anything collective.

Unfortunately the collective issues far outweigh any of this and Ole does not have one notion or experience to deal with it.

Any other manager in any other club of Man Utds caliber would have this man sacked months ago regardless of how bad the owners are.

Ole is an inexperienced manager placed into a position of power at a club that hasn't a clue what it's doing in the long run.

It's a club simply trying to buy time from investors and use Ole as a Club Legend to quell the outrage of fans but surely the patience will have to run out eventually.

If fans think what's on display is acceptable then Woodward has simply driven home the fact that mediocrity at the club is now acceptable.

Man Utd haven't won 3 games in a row since god know how long, cannot for the life of them keep a clean sheet, don't create enough of chances and score enough of goals in games and Ole has the worst record under any manager in a decade or more at the club.

These are the realities.

**** owners or not, anybody with better experience than ole would be doing a better job.

Myself and many others don't accept that we should continue to sit and watch this same ****e over and over.

.G.

I'm firmly in bangkoks camp, think Ole is doing a good job in difficult circumstances and needs to be given time, lots and lots of time.

I may have ulterior motives

Drumpot

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The fact you see those things as positives shows how far United have sunk.

The fact that United fans are so desperate right now they would take a new manager who may or may not even get us into the top 4 shows how far our club has sunk.

I was disgusted with how things ended with Jose, that’s all on Woodward who admitted he said no to players we needed. I didn’t want Ole, thought he was a PR stunt, still do if I’m honest. I was horrified when they gave him the job full time, never understood the timing. Some people suggested it was to get the transfer targets in order, well I’m not sure he needed to be manager for the relatively obvious and uninspiring signings that were made.

I suppose what I’m hoping is that there is actually a plan behind this madness, that it’s not all talking absolute bollox like they always do because that would mean nothing has changed. That would also mean that even if we sign Poch we can probably take a decent shot at plotting out how things will probably go and how it will ultimately end up.

Drumpot

.G. wrote: »

I'm firmly in bangkoks camp, think Ole is doing a good job in difficult circumstances and needs to be given time, lots and lots of time.

I may have ulterior motives

We have probably got the equivalent of Hicks and Gillett running our club or at least comparable in that they are terrible club owners. Can you ever imagine Liverpool winning a league or champions league with those guys?

I’m not sure I posted it here but this should be porn reading for Liverpool fans. Basically the glazers are bucking the statistical odds in American football with their club doing worse then any other club in the sport. Even though the sport itself has ways to even out teams every year!!!

Does any of this sound like United the last 7 years?

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https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2019/11/22/tampa-bays-12-year-drought-can-only-be-blamed-on-ownership/

They change coaches every few years. Overhaul the roster (transfers), too. But when the Bucs haven’t been to the playoffs in 12 years, the Glazer family has to accept the responsibility......

This is not normal. Statistically speaking, it’s barely even possible.....

No NFL, NBA, NHL or MLB team has finished in last place as frequently as Tampa Bay in the past decade. This could potentially be the seventh time the Bucs end up all alone at the bottom of the South since 2009. In two other seasons, they tied for the worst record.

Add it up, and that could make nine last-place finishes in 11 years in a league that zealously pushes parity. Everything the NFL does is designed to keep teams competitive, and the Bucs have stubbornly resisted. Salary cap? Yup. Reverse draft order? Yup. Softer schedule for a losing team? Yup.

Let’s put that in perspective:

In just the past six seasons, every other team in the NFC has reached the playoffs at least once. If you go back to 2010, every team has made it at least twice. Go back to 2008, and more than half the teams in the conference have made the playoffs at least four times. The Bucs? Not once.

That isn’t just a bad stretch, it’s a cry for help.

And what’s worse is they’ve given you so little hope......

And yet that’s where we’re at in 2019. Every step forward is met with an equal stumble backward.

Can you blame it on coaching? Yeah, sure. But this streak of non-playoff appearances stretches all the way back to Jon Gruden’s final season. That’s six different head coaches who have had their hand in this mess.

Can you blame it on players? Well, of course. But the Bucs have one of the youngest rosters in the NFL, and nearly three-quarters of the team was acquired in the past two seasons.

Ultimately, this is a problem with ownership. And with a lack of direction.

The Bucs do not seem to operate with an organizational philosophy as much as an annual reassessment......

Every team tweaks. Every team tinkers. It’s the way the NFL is designed. Careers are too brief and annual turnover is inevitable.

The problem here seems to be a lack of leadership at the very top. Not just in the general manager’s office, but from above.

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Whether Ole stays or goes, I think he’s the least of Our worries. Unless things change radically in the way they run their clubs we won’t be doing much for a long long time.

bangkok

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

So why can't they keep clean sheets? Who's at fault?

They have kept plenty of clean sheets, as recently as yesterday, burnley last week