General Premier League Thread 2019-20

Potential Underachiever

brinty wrote: »

They care what you say. They have a right to reply. Are you saying they're not entitled to their rights.

As I said it's public forum for debate, people will respond if they want, even if you don't want them to or care about their response

If you're that uninterested why did you respond? cos it's clearly getting to you

Weren't you the poster that spoke on behalf of everyone and said we didn't want to see the alternative table? That was rightly shut down.

brinty

MD1990 wrote:

I suggest go have a look in the mirror & see what is looking back.

I took your advice, I was pretty impressed by what was looking back if I was being honest

ozzy jr

MD1990 wrote: »

realistically it is.

It isn't.

Option 1: Play out the current season when it's safe to do so.

Option 2: Finish the season without playing another game and award titles/promotion/relegation based on current positions.

Option 3: Void the season.

Cork Boy 53

brinty wrote: »

I took your advice, I was pretty impressed by what was looking back if I was being honest

What`s the old saying? "Self praise is no praise."

MD1990

ozzy jr wrote: »

It isn't.

Option 1: Play out the current season when it's safe to do so.

Option 2: Finish the season without playing another game and award titles/promotion/relegation based on current positions.

Option 3: Void the season.

The season after will be on hold.
Teams can strike & sue the leagues

ShamoBuc

brinty wrote: »

That's like your opinion man

Thanks for stating the obvious.

Well done you.

ozzy jr

MD1990 wrote: »

The season after will be on hold.
Teams can strike & sue the leagues

But they are still options.

MD1990

brinty wrote: »

I took your advice, I was pretty impressed by what was looking back if I was being honest

You are wearing the face mask
Fair play.

joeguevara

MD1990 wrote: »

The season after will be on hold.
Teams can strike & sue the leagues

Majority of teams have no reason to strike so why would they. Suing is an option but as exceptional circumstances is a risk. Also it comes down to revenue.

MD1990

joeguevara wrote: »

Majority of teams have no reason to strike so why would they. Suing is an option but as exceptional circumstances is a risk. Also it comes down to revenue.

Leicester,Liverpool,Leeds,Sheffield Utd & all the rest of the promotion clubs with a chance to make top 6 in League 1-2 etc would.

Anyway no real season to continuing arguing about it will just have to see what happens in the next few months.

Cantona's Collars

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Anyone who plays the "people are dying" card should just give us and themselves a break and exit this forum for a while. Come back when there's some actual news.

Weren't you the poster who advocated mass infection so footballers could develop an immunity to get the football restarted asap?
I suppose the "people are dying card" must be low on your priorities.
Even the most rabid Liverpool fans were baulking at that crazy notion.

Nunu

These major decisions for football can only be made when we’re all clear and the world starts turning again. Until then associations should sit tight like the rest of us.
Anyone calling for the season to be null & voided at this uncertain stage is a fool. And even if it takes months I still think finish the current season then plan accordingly.

I’m a Utd fan by the way who died a little week by week as Liverpool’s points gap widened.

Mitch Connor

Nunu wrote: »

These major decisions for football can only be made when we’re all clear and the world starts turning again. Until then associations should sit tight like the rest of us.
Anyone calling for the season to be null & voided at this uncertain stage is a fool. And even if it takes months I still think finish the current season then plan accordingly.

I’m a Utd fan by the way who died a little week by week as Liverpool’s points gap widened.

the associaions can't just sit tight.

They have to be in planning mode now, and they have to be adjusting their plans on a daily basis as things change.

Cantona's Collars

How can they feasibly fit in all the games, it's okay for example Liverpool to say they've only 9 games to fit in but the likes of City or United could in theory have up to 20 games with European and domestic cup games to fulfill.

joeguevara

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

How can they feasibly fit in all the games, it's okay for example Liverpool to say they've only 9 games to fit in but the likes of City or United could in theory have up to 20 games with European and domestic cup games to fulfill.

It is probably safe to assume that cup games are not going to be played as largely irrelevant. As for European most borders are closed and will only reopen when a buffer is met. The impact of not playing is pretty low as has no long term effects as opposed to national leagues.

MurDawg

joeguevara wrote: »

It is probably safe to assume that cup games are not going to be played as largely irrelevant. As for European most borders are closed and will only reopen when a buffer is met. The impact of not playing is pretty low as has no long term effects as opposed to national leagues.

Hardly irrelevant to the lower placed teams... chance in qualifying for Europe

Edit: Prize Money and gate receipts in FA cup later rounds would be quite a decent chunk for a team such as Norwich

joeguevara

MurDawg wrote: »

Hardly irrelevant to the lower placed teams... chance in qualifying for Europe

Hence I said largely irrelevant. Norwich and Newcastle aside, all other teams are in Europe qualifying positions as far as I remember.

Augme

Everyone major league in Europe has said there priority is finishing this current season. That's 99% likely to happen and even football hasn't been played in September it's still 99% likely to happen. People just need to accept it.

MurDawg

joeguevara wrote: »

Hence I said largely irrelevant. Norwich and Newcastle aside, all other teams are in Europe qualifying positions as far as I remember.

I'd assume sheffield united would need it as well.

So close to 50%. It's a similar argument for them wanting the cup continued to anyone wanting the league continued. Some want it, some don't. It's all down to bias at the end of the day.

Harry Palmr

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Weren't you the poster who advocated mass infection so footballers could develop an immunity to get the football restarted asap?
I suppose the "people are dying card" must be low on your priorities.
Even the most rabid Liverpool fans were baulking at that crazy notion.

I actually suggested that known healthy players (ie no conditions) be isolated and infected. So they would then be clear after a period of weeks.

No sooner had I posted that players started coming down with it anyway (infecting plenty of others outside the game of course) so the moment had passed.

Augme

Augme wrote: »

Everyone major league in Europe has said there priority is finishing this current season. That's 99% likely to happen and even football hasn't been played in September it's still 99% likely to happen. People just need to accept it.

Yeah don't see the big deal in finishing it. Not completing it would be legal nightmare.

8-10

Or we could all just wait for a decision to be made for definite.

I think we're looking at May sometime for beginning to return to normality if China's timeline is anything to go by

Baggly

8-10 wrote: »

Or we could all just wait for a decision to be made for definite.

I think we're looking at May sometime for beginning to return to normality if China's timeline is anything to go by

Its the only thing for us to discuss though

joeguevara

MurDawg wrote: »

I'd assume sheffield united would need it as well.

So close to 50%. It's a similar argument for them wanting the cup continued to anyone wanting the league continued. Some want it, some don't. It's all down to bias at the end of the day.

Agreed. But impact of league is far greater than Uefa cup qualifying. But it all matters.

Funny how ManU fans are split on finishing the league. They were in a pretty strong position for top 4.

I'd say the club itself would want it finished.

The_Kew_Tour

Hard to see anything get go ahead before mid to late June at best.

Hopefully its much sooner but could be even be much later.

It's going **** up so much this between sport and life.

At least the Euros have been postponed although the UEFA attitude will mean clubs go bust around Europe

Clubs will definitely go bust. Be interesting see if any premier league clubs do. Bound to be a few skating on thin ice financially.

TitianGerm

MurDawg wrote: »

Edit: Prize Money and gate receipts in FA cup later rounds would be quite a decent chunk for a team such as Norwich

It would be nearly irrelevant in comparison to the broadcasting money.

Norwich would be fine if they didn't get the FA Cup money. They'd be in serious trouble if they didn't get the TV money for this season.

Mitch Connor

If the league does get completed, I would imagine it will be behind closed doors or very restricted stadiums.

The clubs will be able to play long before the government are happy with 50k people in a stadium.

There is the real possibility that spectating football live could be effectively off limits for 18months, til a vaccine is available. We could go back to some level of normalcy long before huge mass gatherings are allowed.

The_Kew_Tour

I could see the league cup and possibly the FA Cup being erased for a year to make way for extra games.

Long way off that, but somthing will have to give if league and Europe is top priority

Nunu

6 wrote: »

Funny how ManU fans are split on finishing the league. They were in a pretty strong position for top 4.

I'd say the club itself would want it finished.

Honestly now, hand on heart, if Utd were in bottom 3 I’d want it finished. Null & Void is the nuclear option.

The_Kew_Tour

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I could see the league cup and possibly the FA Cup being erased for a year to make way for extra games.

Long way off that, but somthing will have to give if league and Europe is top priority

Combine the League and FA cup into one competition for one year - winner takes all. One leg per round.

Theoretically a non league team could win the League cup, but in reality that's lotto odds.

Cantona's Collars

People are focusing on domestic games,in my op I also included European games. They have to be factored in and I included them in my figure of 20 odd games for some clubs (depending on winning them of course)

Behind closed doors would pose a problem,when Lask played United, about 1000 fans travelled anyway and congregated outside the stadium where there was actually a view in.
Imagine if Liverpool were playing and it was the deciding game to clinch the title,is anyone saying that thousands of fans wouldn't take to the streets even if the stadium is empty?
It's easy now to stop fans crossing borders but domestically it's a nightmare.

Mitch Connor

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

People are focusing on domestic games,in my op I also included European games. They have to be factored in and I included them in my figure of 20 odd games for some clubs (depending on winning them of course)

Behind closed doors would pose a problem,when Lask played United, about 1000 fans travelled anyway and congregated outside the stadium where there was actually a view in.
Imagine if Liverpool were playing and it was the deciding game to clinch the title,is anyone saying that thousands of fans wouldn't take to the streets even if the stadium is empty?
It's easy now to stop fans crossing borders but domestically it's a nightmare.

An issue with the LASK game, as an example, is that it was called as being behind closed doors very late. People had tickets, and more importantly, flights and accomodation booked and paid for. In such circumstances people were going to travel. I think I remember people leaving the day before the game (or maybe 2 days), not knowing what the situation was.

If you know that the season will play out behind closed doors, then the organizing and policing of it as such becomes a bit easier.

The issue will always remain to some extent. If Liverpool win the league behind closed doors, you will be hard pressed to stop liverpool fans from congregating at Melwood, or Anfield, to celebrate. And I'm not saying that in terms of 'scousers will scouse', but in terms of stopping fans from celebrating a trophy, especially the PL trophy for Liverpool, would be very tough.

y0ssar1an22

Mitch Connor wrote: »

An issue with the LASK game, as an example, is that it was called as being behind closed doors very late. People had tickets, and more importantly, flights and accomodation booked and paid for. In such circumstances people were going to travel. I think I remember people leaving the day before the game (or maybe 2 days), not knowing what the situation was.

If you know that the season will play out behind closed doors, then the organizing and policing of it as such becomes a bit easier.

The issue will always remain to some extent. If Liverpool win the league behind closed doors, you will be hard pressed to stop liverpool fans from congregating at Melwood, or Anfield, to celebrate. And I'm not saying that in terms of 'scousers will scouse', but in terms of stopping fans from celebrating a trophy, especially the PL trophy for Liverpool, would be very tough.

sports events are not being supported by policing in the UK until further notice

Cantona's Collars

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

sports events are not being supported by policing in the UK until further notice

That means no football so.

Mitch Connor

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

sports events are not being supported by policing in the UK until further notice

Yes. Right now.

When sports do come back, it will be in conjunction with government advice and policy, and with policing procedures (as they have always had).

Not being supported right now is of no relevance at all.

ozzy jr

joeguevara wrote: »

It is probably safe to assume that cup games are not going to be played as largely irrelevant. As for European most borders are closed and will only reopen when a buffer is met. The impact of not playing is pretty low as has no long term effects as opposed to national leagues.

Winning the Europa Cup carries the same level of importance as finishing in the top 4.

If the season is to be continued, every competition needs to be finished or what's the point?

y0ssar1an22

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yes. Right now.

When sports do come back, it will be in conjunction with government advice and policy, and with policing procedures (as they have always had).

Not being supported right now is of no relevance at all.

agree. was responding to someone who said the league can be finished behind closed doors and the police will take care of the rest.

so i guess my point was more that if the PL decide to finish behind closed doors against the advice of the proper authorities.

ozzy jr

ozzy jr wrote: »

Winning the Europa Cup carries the same level of importance as finishing in the top 4.

If the season is to be continued, every competition needs to be finished or what's the point?

The euros have been postponed, the domestic leagues have been prioritised.



The domestic leagues are the reason football exists, the cup competitions (incl. the FA cup Man United discarded as irrelevant*) are nice, but not fundamental.



*actually, ask Alex Ferguson this question.

joeguevara

ozzy jr wrote: »

Winning the Europa Cup carries the same level of importance as finishing in the top 4.

If the season is to be continued, every competition needs to be finished or what's the point?

I completely agree. But was making the point that cross border European competitions are so unlikely to continue as a given. But European competition is not what is being discussed as it is a premier league thread.

As I have said many times I believe continuation of leagues is an unlikely outcome but I hope I’m wrong.

Cantona's Collars

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The euros have been postponed, the domestic leagues have been prioritised.



The domestic leagues are the reason football exists, the cup competitions (incl. the FA cup Man United discarded as irrelevant*) are nice, but not fundamental.



*actually, ask Alex Ferguson this question.

Correction, Manchester United didn't discard the FA Cup,they were forced to by the FA.
If you are going to throw in a dig,at least have the facts to back it up.
Are you also saying that the biggest club cup competition in world football is irrelevant along with the Europa League?
It smacks of "ah sure,we didn't want to win them anyway" from a fan who's club is no longer participating in them.

MD1990

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Correction, Manchester United didn't discard the FA Cup,they were forced to by the FA.
If you are going to throw in a dig,at least have the facts to back it up.
Are you also saying that the biggest club cup competition in world football is irrelevant along with the Europa League?
It smacks of "ah sure,we didn't want to win them anyway" from a fan who's club is no longer participating in them.

the FA Cup is no longer that relevant & certaintly not the biggest club club that would the Club World Cup trophy that everyone takes seriously unlike the FA Cup.

Cantona's Collars

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Correction, Manchester United didn't discard the FA Cup,they were forced to by the FA.
If you are going to throw in a dig,at least have the facts to back it up.

The FACT is that they withdrew before the season even started. Did Liverpool withdraw - no they didn't. My understanding is that Alex thought it would involve too many games. My reading of it was that they didn't rate it.

MD1990

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/dec/02/ferguson-regret-fa-cup

Man Utd withdrew from the FA Cup to play in the CWC to help FA's WC bid.

They were not forced by the FA but advised it was their decision. I dont blame them but the FA Cup is no longer relevant at all only for one league & lower league clubs.
Man Utd just were not good enough to win the CWC at that time.

MD1990

MD1990 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/dec/02/ferguson-regret-fa-cup

Man Utd withdrew from the FA Cup to play in the CWC to help FA's WC bid.

They were not forced by the FA but advised it was their decision. I dont blame them but the FA Cup is no longer relevant at all only for one league & lower league clubs.

To be fair, it's good to give game time to your number 2 goalie, fringe and under age players, so not TOTALLY useless.

ozzy jr

Ah jaysus, this thread is falling apart.

Cantona's Collars

MD1990 wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/dec/02/ferguson-regret-fa-cup

Man Utd withdrew from the FA Cup to play in the CWC to help FA's WC bid.

They were not forced by the FA but advised it was their decision. I dont blame them but the FA Cup is no longer relevant at all only for one league & lower league clubs.

Yet people on the forum keep quoting the FA regarding what happens with the league, they've no pull over that.

ozzy jr

ozzy jr wrote: »

Ah jaysus, this thread is falling apart.

It only seems that way when you're losing the debate :P;)

MD1990

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/andros-townsend-sends-message-premier-21714966

So one way or another the season has to finish, whether it’s in May or June, or later in September, October or November.”

So apart from Karen Brady,Gary Neville & Aston Villa.

Everyone else I have seen says the season has to be finished.
Looks like there will no question it will be finished sometime over the next 6-9 months.