General Premier League Thread 2019-20

~Rebel~

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Most premier leagues are in debt or leveraged on future earnings.

Indeed... for most, their costs have risen to meet the increased revenue, especially in wages and transfer payments.

Fitz*

Aston Villa are on the brink of going bust, and probably will if they get relegated. Bournemouth are paying nearly every penny they have to their players in wages, the majority of which is sourced through the TV deal.

There's a couple of clubs extremely reliant on PL survival and/or TV money. They won't be able to bail others out, they have to look after themselves first.

Agent Coulson

Premier League set to push to complete the season

The Premier League is expected to reiterate its commitment to completing the season in Thursday's emergency board meeting held via conference call.

All games have been postponed until at least 4 April because of coronavirus.

But with the pandemic set to continue much longer than that, the league is expected to acknowledge there will be no action for several weeks after that.

The postponement of Euro 2020 has opened up a window for domestic leagues to be completed by the end of June.

But clubs are unlikely to put a definitive date on when they hope to resume the season, given the UK government has effectively banned sports events by advising against mass gatherings.

It is understood that if those restrictions on mass gatherings are not lifted, officials are open to the idea of staging matches behind closed doors in order to complete fixtures.

But no major decisions are anticipated at this stage if the season cannot resume, with one insider describing it as an "information-sharing and clarity meeting. Nothing concrete will come out of it."

There have been signs that the clubs are split on the issue of how the season should end.

Last week, West Ham vice-chair Karren Brady said the campaign should be declared null and void.

Football Association chairman Greg Clarke also expressed his concern that it may prove impossible for the season to be concluded.

However Brighton and Hove Albion chief executive Paul Barber told the BBC that it would be "unjust" if runaway leaders Liverpool were denied the title, and suggested increasing the league to 22 teams for 2020-21.

Club representatives will be shown expert modelling of various end-of-season scenarios at Thursday's meeting, and what the possible financial and legal ramifications of each would be.

But for now at least, there seems to be a determination to do everything possible to push for the season to be completed.

The Premier League held talks with the FA and the English Football League on Wednesday, and is known to be in dialogue with its broadcast partners and sponsors amid the threat of legal action on a number of fronts.

Sky and BT have declined to comment on reports that they could seek compensation totalling £750m if the Premier League breaches its £3bn domestic live television contract by not completing its fixtures.

Meanwhile, top clubs in the Championship are said to be ready to launch a legal bid if the season is abandoned and they are denied the opportunity of promotion.

The issue of players' contracts - many of which expire at the end of June - and the knock-on effect on next season if this one is extended by months, may also be discussed on Thursday, along with the financial impact of the crisis.

The Premier League is also coming under pressure to help support financiallystricken EFL clubs.

Julian Knight, chair of the Department of Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) Select Committee told the BBC: "The strong rich Premier League clubs should come to the aid, wherever they can, of the grassroots of the game.

"Lower league clubs are lynchpins of their communities and local employers. We don't want what happened to Bury last year to occur in towns across the country."

On Wednesday, the EFL released a £50m short-term relief fund to help clubs with cash-flow issues because of the coronavirus outbreak. The fund includes the early release of award payments, and an interest-free loan facility.

In a letter to the 72 EFL clubs, seen by the BBC, EFL chief executive Rick Parry said: "Over the last week, the EFL has been in ongoing dialogue with the Government, through DCMS, aimed at securing a package of measures for our clubs... that would enable us to centrally co-ordinate support.

"While we do not have any certainty on this at this point, the Chancellor [Rishi Sunak] did at least provide some clarity with regard to professional football clubs."

Sunak has said that clubs will be eligible for business rates relief measures and grants that he announced as part of an emergency financial package.

He also said that there are now 2,000 dedicated HM Revenue & Customs officers ready to take the calls of businesses such as football clubs in order to provide a deferral for tax payments, and an agreed schedule for paying them back.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51954580

marklazarcovic

any club or business that sues because of this insanity thats happening right now should be shamed,people in their own community's will be devastated by this,the people who go to games,people will die,many people probably, its not anyone in europes fault this has occurred,extraordinary times demand the same reaction, i fully believe that if all clubs..limiting this to football, in the uk agree to finish leagues as is,compensation can be agreed from the clubs gaining from it,either through not being relegated,champions league spots ,promotion spots etc, if they really want to,for one season, to put an end to the pressure and uncertainty,they could do it, and the tv companies cannot hold sway over peoples lives and health. they must agree to this as well,and perhaps gain something in the future by way of actually having something to televise sooner rather than later. the clubs should vote on scenarios regarding ending everything now,positions as is. and restart fresh when things have cleared up.

europe wide.

imo.

SEPT 23 1989

MurDawg wrote: »

I see more and more sport analysts calling for premier league clubs to bail out the rest of the leagues. Not a chance of this happening in reality ... which is a shame

Don't think that would be allowed under FFP

Pity

Whatsisname

I wonder what happens with the transfer window if the leagues are to resume in July/August/September.

monkey9

Whatsisname wrote: »

I wonder what happens with the transfer window if the leagues are to resume in July/August/September.

Everything will have to change.

yourdeadwright

As a Liverpool fan iv made peace with the fact this season will not be finished, Human life is far more important,

Things aren't going to peak in the UK until late around June there's just no way we will see any football till around October earliest,

Even if Liveprool are handed the title there will be no big celebration its just not right in the current climate to be celebrating ,

The wait will go on for at least another season at least but lets think about the serious issues and just be glad whenever we get football back ,

The_Kew_Tour

It could take few years for everything get back normal.

Hopefully once its gone it wont come back again

The_Kew_Tour

yourdeadwright wrote: »

As a Liverpool fan iv made peace with the fact this season will not be finished, Human life is far more important,

Things aren't going to peak in the UK until late around June there's just no way we will see any football till around October earliest,

Even if Liveprool are handed the title there will be no big celebration its just not right in the current climate to be celebrating ,

The wait will go on for at least another season at least but lets think about the serious issues and just be glad whenever we get football back ,

No doubt the UK government have done their best to screw it up for everybody but hopefully it wont last that long.

If they get act together things could get back by mid to late June.

I think it will finish and I think it has to finish or else we enter minefield

Ikozma

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

It could take few years for everything get back normal.

Hopefully once its gone it wont come back again

It'll more then likely be back every year at flu season, its just another strain of flu at the end of the day but the thing is we'll have a vaccine for it when it does arrive, it's covid 20 and 21 we need to be thinking of now

Ikozma

This season will be finishing, the only question is when

yourdeadwright

Ikozma wrote: »

This season will be finishing, the only question is when

why ruin future season for the sake of one season ?
Makes little or no sense, If its done by July and it won't be it'll be scrapped ,

bangkok

yourdeadwright wrote: »

why ruin future season for the sake of one season ?
Makes little or no sense, If its done by July and it won't be it'll be scrapped ,

they will finish it off 100%. 3 games a week, Sunday, Wed Sunday behind closed doors, over in 3 weeks

brinty

yourdeadwright wrote:

As a Liverpool fan iv made peace with the fact this season will not be finished, Human life is far more important,

Things aren't going to peak in the UK until late around June there's just no way we will see any football till around October earliest,

Even if Liveprool are handed the title there will be no big celebration its just not right in the current climate to be celebrating ,

The wait will go on for at least another season at least but lets think about the serious issues and just be glad whenever we get football back ,

Fair play to you, I did a double take when I saw the name but my hats off. This is the most sensible post I've seen in days about football. Well done to you.

Think you've stated the very obvious here but you're the first Liverpool fan I've seen (not saying others haven't) admit this and that's posted like this.

I'd disagree on your point about being handed the title, there's some who will be only to happy to accept it and will celebrate like it's 1999 all over again.

Amen let's just be glad whenever we do get football back

MD1990

Ikozma wrote: »

It'll more then likely be back every year at flu season, its just another strain of flu at the end of the day but the thing is we'll have a vaccine for it when it does arrive, it's covid 20 and 21 we need to be thinking of now

It is a virus. You will be immune once you get it

yourdeadwright wrote: »

why ruin future season for the sake of one season ?
Makes little or no sense, If its done by July and it won't be it'll be scrapped ,

Because the clubs all agree the season has to be finished.
Scrap cups next season & finish this & start next if possible.

The most important thing is to finish this season & reward teams efforts.
Next season can be shorter if needed.

The PL know that if Liverpool are denied the title it will hugely damage the league.

8-10

yourdeadwright wrote: »

why ruin future season for the sake of one season ?
Makes little or no sense, If its done by July and it won't be it'll be scrapped ,

What if the same thing happens next year, and the following?

You're talking about sacrificing something that's nearly finished for the sake of something exactly the same that hasn't started yet...

Loafing Oaf

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

No doubt the UK government have done their best to screw it up for everybody but hopefully it wont last that long.

If they get act together things could get back by mid to late June.

If the spread of the virus is brought under control over the next couple of months, it will only be through effectively shutting down most of the country. The fear will be if you ease those restrictions even slightly it could start proliferating again. Resuming football behind close doors mightn't in itself be a major risk but it could engender a sense of complacency among the wider population...

Fitz*

yourdeadwright wrote: »

why ruin future season for the sake of one season ?
Makes little or no sense, If its done by July and it won't be it'll be scrapped ,

You would not be ruining a future season by delaying the start & finish point of that season. It's just moving the dates.

Cancelling a season after over 75% of it is played is ruining a season. Moving the start date is not ruining a season.

What is going to happen when every other league in the world has to move their dates to accommodate the Qatar world cup. Are they all ruined now already?

brinty

MD1990 wrote:

The most important thing is to finish this season & reward teams efforts. Next season can be shorter if needed.

You know that's a contradiction don't you???

Finish this season... But let's screw up next season, don't play cups or anything

#Desperate

MD1990 wrote:

The PL know that if Liverpool are denied the title it will hugely damage the league.

Why would it damage the league? If every other league does the same them no one wins

You're so blinded by bias it's laughable

MD1990

brinty wrote: »

You know that's a contradiction don't you???

Finish this season... But let's screw up next season, don't play cups or anything

#Desperate



Why would it damage the league? If every other league does the same them no one wins

You're so blinded by bias it's laughable

lol your the most ironic poster on here.

Dont bother wasting your time replying to me.

Fitz*

brinty wrote: »

Why would it damage the league? If every other league does the same them no one wins

You're so blinded by bias it's laughable

Because it gives the suggest that playing well for 7 months is all for nothing and there is no point in the efforts done by the players.

'What is the point playing well for the first 3 months of next season, sure there is a chance it will get called off again' etc

Why do Spurs deserve to play CL football next season instead of Leicester, which would happen if you get your selfish wish. Are you going to be the one to tell the Leicester players that all their hard work put in for the first half of the season was all for nothing? Are you going to tell them that their record 9-0 win is now scrapped and never happened?

Are you going to tell the Sheffield United players that their season never happened?

Are you going to tell WBA & Leeds players that they are not getting promoted, again?

Are you going to work out parachute payments for relegated clubs and re-issue the same payments that have already been issued for clubs that rely on that income?

There is only one person blinded by bias here - you.

brinty

MD1990 wrote:

Dont bother wasting your time replying to me.

Why, I really enjoy interacting with you

You talk BS l, contradict yourself repeatedly and when I correct you, you get in a huff.

TitianGerm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

It could take few years for everything get back normal.

Hopefully once its gone it wont come back again

It's probably a good time to move the seasons to a calendar year now if they were inclined. Have the season start the end of February or March and finish end of November.

Benefit of that would be sorting a problem with the winter world cup as well.

brinty

FitzShane wrote:

Because it gives the suggest that playing well for 7 months is all for nothing and there is no point in the efforts done by the players.

If every league is the same and no winners announced what does it matter.

Everything else will be sorted out and agreed upon.

I was also responding to the contradiction that this season has to be finished by a poster, but alter a future season and eliminate cup competitions

As many have said, Manchester United and City have continued interest in ECL/Europa league and FA cup too, and many want them cancelled to complete the league only. Should their efforts in this seasons competitions be scraped.

The only posters who are calling for this are Liverpool supporters. Strange one that.

MD1990

brinty wrote: »

Why, I really enjoy interacting with you

You talk BS l, contradict yourself repeatedly and when I correct you, you get in a huff.

Good for you.

Im in a huff. Good one:rolleyes:.
As I said yesterday go outside for a walk. You can take off your mask & see what is looking back. It starts with an L.

y0ssar1an22

FitzShane wrote: »

Because it gives the suggest that playing well for 7 months is all for nothing and there is no point in the efforts done by the players.

'What is the point playing well for the first 3 months of next season, sure there is a chance it will get called off again' etc

Why do Spurs deserve to play CL football next season instead of Leicester, which would happen if you get your selfish wish. Are you going to be the one to tell the Leicester players that all their hard work put in for the first half of the season was all for nothing? Are you going to tell them that their record 9-0 win is now scrapped and never happened?

Are you going to tell the Sheffield United players that their season never happened?

Are you going to tell WBA & Leeds players that they are not getting promoted, again?

Are you going to work out parachute payments for relegated clubs and re-issue the same payments that have already been issued for clubs that rely on that income?

There is only one person blinded by bias here - you.

it doesn't need to be binary. finish it or make it all null.

another option is to declare all remaining fixtures abandoned, however that is legislated for

ShamoBuc

The league will be finished. How and when are the details to be ironed out.

Drumpot

Ikozma wrote: »

This season will be finishing, the only question is when

All depends how this plays out. I think they are presuming they will be able to finish off league in the summer. Maybe even use that as pre season for next year. But if they can’t do that, then they face cancelling an entire season next season which would cost them a fortune.

I won’t lie though, it would be great if they could figure out a safe way to play the games behind closed doors. Maybe arrest anyone who goes down to grounds and put off people that way.

But player and staff safety will be an issue. If one person within the group or a player even from another team gets it, you are exposing others. It’s not a great look. Do players want to risk this and go home to their families? I’d say Wayne Rooney said what a lot of players feel, like they are disposable guinea pigs.

noodler

brinty wrote: »

Fair play to you, I did a double take when I saw the name but my hats off. This is the most sensible post I've seen in days about football. Well done to you.

Think you've stated the very obvious here but you're the first Liverpool fan I've seen (not saying others haven't) admit this and that's posted like this.

I'd disagree on your point about being handed the title, there's some who will be only to happy to accept it and will celebrate like it's 1999 all over again.

Amen let's just be glad whenever we do get football back

Beware of Brinty bearing gifts.

Fitz*

brinty wrote: »

If every league is the same and no winners announced what does it matter.

Everything else will be sorted out and agreed upon.

I was also responding to the contradiction that this season has to be finished by a poster, but alter a future season and eliminate cup competitions

As many have said, Manchester United and City have continued interest in ECL/Europa league and FA cup too, and many want them cancelled to complete the league only. Should their efforts in this seasons competitions be scraped.

The only posters who are calling for this are Liverpool supporters. Strange one that.

This is the General Premier League thread, not overall football where the cups and European competitions are in.

I don't think that cups should be scrapped, but league is the 'bread & butter' competition so should take precedence. The same as it does in any normal season. League comes first, with other tournaments falling in afterwards. The results of the FA Cup quarter finals of this season will not have any relevance to what happens next season whatsoever. League games do. Will Norwich get relegated, stay up or win a quarter final. I know what they would rather.

You need to complete the League cycle to continue the whole footballing pyramid and keep continuation. Teams like Leeds, WBA should be rewarded with PL football (if they maintain their form) and teams like West Ham & Watford should not be rewarded with a place in the league again when they are undeserving.

Why should Leicester & others teams and fans miss out just because certain people begrudge who will win the league when football is resumed? Is that fair? The Premier League winners is literately the easiest thing to decide out of everything that has to be decided upon.

eagle eye

yourdeadwright wrote:

why ruin future season for the sake of one season ? Makes little or no sense, If its done by July and it won't be it'll be scrapped ,

This season has had 29 games played already. Future seasons have not started. Finishing this one is far more important than future seasons.

yourdeadwright

eagle eye wrote: »

This season has had 29 games played already. Future seasons have not started. Finishing this one is far more important than future seasons.

Why is this season more important numerous ones in the future ?
This season will NOT be finished anyone thinking other wise is dreaming ,

8-10

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why is this season more important numerous ones in the future ?
This season will NOT be finished anyone thinking other wise is dreaming ,

Why is next season more important than this one that's already started?

ShamoBuc

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why is this season more important numerous ones in the future ?
This season will NOT be finished anyone thinking other wise is dreaming ,

Yes it will.
Thinking it wont is just dreaming.

yourdeadwright

8-10 wrote: »

Why is next season more important than this one that's already started?

Its not just next season it'll effect , if they try finish this season it'll have knock on effect for future season's after next season

By the looks of things you won't see football till around October ,How can you finish two season then before the Euro's roll around next summer ?

Players need time off preseason and all that to ,

giveitholly

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why is this season more important numerous ones in the future ?
This season will NOT be finished anyone thinking other wise is dreaming ,

So lets say they cancel this season and manage to start next season,then this virus flares up and there is another lockdown so next season can't finish. That will be two seasons incomplete

ShamoBuc

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Its not just next season it'll effect , if they try finish this season it'll have knock on effect for future season's after next season

By the looks of things you won't see football till around October ,How can you finish two season then before the Euro's roll around next summer ?

Players need time off preseason and all that to ,

Link? Or just more of an opinion.

yourdeadwright

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Yes it will.
Thinking it wont is just dreaming.

what month will it start ?
when will it finish ?
When will the following seasons start ?( to be done before next summers Euros),
When will lads get time off ?
when will they start preseason ?

eagle eye

yourdeadwright wrote:

Why is this season more important numerous ones in the future ? This season will NOT be finished anyone thinking other wise is dreaming ,

This season is more important be because 29 games have already been played.

You are the one that's delusional if you think it won't be finished one way or another.

ShamoBuc

yourdeadwright wrote: »

what month will it start ?
when will it finish ?
When will the following seasons start ?( to be done before next summers Euros),
When will lads get time off ?
when will they start preseason ?

All of those dates and answers will I'm sure be answered in due course- by the people in charge.
You'd have to be dreaming if you think they wont.

ShamoBuc

April 30th the new date for Possible re-commencement of footbball

MD1990

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1240624372068597760

Premier League & EPL extended indefinitely

thats massive means they are committed to finish season whenever it is possible

PhilipsR

brinty wrote: »

You know that's a contradiction don't you???

Finish this season... But let's screw up next season, don't play cups or anything

#Desperate



Why would it damage the league? If every other league does the same them no one wins

You're so blinded by bias it's laughable

Complete bystander to this hidden Liverpool United charade, but you’re taking some happiness out of Liverpool potentially not getting the title and fighting it tooth and nail.

Hope that gets you through the next 6 months.

Iused2likebusts

It would be better to have one full completed season rather than two partially completed seasons.

MD1990

https://twitter.com/SamWallaceTel/status/1240625450461868032


Tough day for Man Utd fans in here.

Redo91

Due to see United play West Ham on the 9th May. Afraid it will go ahead behind closed doors at this rate rather than being postponed.

ShamoBuc

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SamWallaceTel/status/1240625450461868032


Tough day for Man Utd fans in here.

Correct decision.

The narrative for some will have to change.

y0ssar1an22

A decision I disagree with if next season is impacted upon.

I suppose we just have to wait and see for full info to be released

Fitz*

So once it is safe to play football again, the current league season will resume and this current league season will complete before any new one is started.

I presume that means cup competitions & European games also.

Correct decision IMO.