General Premier League Thread 2019-20

Quazzie

brinty wrote: »

Pretty sure every league will follow the dictate of seasons being declared null and void

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Pretty sure the League will be finished. When, no idea, but I'm pretty sure it will be finished sometime.

This thread is going to go around and around in circles till we all vomit.

Can every one just like each of the above posts depending on which you believe to be true and then leave the thread to die in peace until there is actually some football to talk about.

niallo27

Strumms wrote: »

A lot of people calling for the season to be resumed next year or later this. In a way that decision might initially sound fair and while that might be a positive thing for Liverpool... especially and only Liverpool, but you cant expect every other Premier League team, to sit on their arses, bereft of revenue, fans missing out on their sport, just to please and enable one team to win a competition. If the 2019/2020 season is to be written off, it’s sad, unfortunate but it’s not by design, it’s courtesy of an unprecedented health crisis, the likes of which has never been seen before.

We need to hopefully be ready to go again next Autumn, clean slate, clean bill of health...new season.

You not think teams in promotion spots might be a small bit upset too.

citytillidie

League 1 will not want to start again with 23 teams that will also need to be fixed for the next season, and you cant just promote a team if the season is null and void

null and voiding the season will have lots of impacts all over the league system not just stopping Liverpool winning the league as most seem to want.

Mitch Connor

Strumms wrote: »

A lot of people calling for the season to be resumed next year or later this. In a way that decision might initially sound fair and while that might be a positive thing for Liverpool... especially and only Liverpool, but you cant expect every other Premier League team, to sit on their arses, bereft of revenue, fans missing out on their sport, just to please and enable one team to win a competition. If the 2019/2020 season is to be written off, it’s sad, unfortunate but it’s not by design, it’s courtesy of an unprecedented health crisis, the likes of which has never been seen before.

We need to hopefully be ready to go again next Autumn, clean slate, clean bill of health...new season.

Voiding the season doesn't solve the money problem, potentially makes it a lot worse.

Why do you think football coming back and starting over is better from a revenue perspective, rather than finishing and the season and moving on to the next, when possible.

Agent Coulson

Arsenal and Man U definitely won't want this to last much longer as the stock price is crashing big time.


BVB, Celtic, Lazio, Juventus & Roma are also clubs seeing their share prices crash.

Strumms

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Pretty sure the League will be finished. When, no idea, but I'm pretty sure it will be finished sometime.

If we ‘knew’ when it’s going to be safe ie. ok back playing 21st July, plans would be in place now.. but from the day things are declared safe which we have no idea when that will be, it’s going to take some time before football can and will be played again, peoples priorities will be getting businesses going, working, health checks, country infrastructure to get going, justice system backlogged so much else is going to take precedent...

I can see the season being written off, it might be written off with Liverpool as champions or most likely voided but it’s tough, but the right decision, regardless who is sitting pretty at the top. Need to think of the bigger picture.

I think maybe Liverpool will be crowned champions but if that wouldn’t happen due to the regulations or complaints from city or other clubs, there maybe should be an ‘award’ such as EPL *‘first place’ medal for each player, to recognize their achievement that they are first in the table in March.

citytillidie

How are Australia running their games behind close doors?

Strumms

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Voiding the season doesn't solve the money problem, potentially makes it a lot worse.

Why do you think football coming back and starting over is better from a revenue perspective, rather than finishing and the season and moving on to the next, when possible.

How does it make it a lot worse. The EPL and stakeholders are generating zero revenue from active football activities.

The most appropriate thing to do is look forward, New season, new start.

citytillidie

Strumms wrote: »

How does it make it a lot worse. The EPL and stakeholders are generating zero revenue from active football activities.

The most appropriate thing to do is look forward, New season, new start.

When do you start the new season?

Mitch Connor

Strumms wrote: »

If we ‘knew’ when it’s going to be safe ie. ok back playing 21st July, plans would be in place now.. but from the day things are declared safe which we have no idea when that will be, it’s going to take some time before football can and will be played again, peoples priorities will be getting businesses going, working, health checks, country infrastructure to get going, justice system backlogged so much else is going to take precedent...

I can see the season being written off, it might be written off with Liverpool as champions or most likely voided but it’s tough, but the right decision, regardless who is sitting pretty at the top. Need to think of the bigger picture.

I think maybe Liverpool will be crowned champions but if that wouldn’t happen due to the regulations or complaints from city or other clubs, there maybe should be an ‘award’ such as EPL *‘first place’ medal for each player, to recognize their achievement that they are first in the table in March.

Its not just about Liverpool being crowned champions.

It is clubs getting relegated or promoted. Qualification for the CL and EL.

Sheffield United in EL contention. Arsenal would get a euro league spot despite being in 9th. Leeds/WBA/Other not getting promoted if no-one relegated.

if you call the season finished now then Chelsea (Maybe United if City are banned) get CL football, but other clubs close. Bournemouth relegated by 1 goal.

Liverpool being crowned champs is actually the least of it.

MD1990

Strumms wrote: »

How does it make it a lot worse. The EPL and stakeholders are generating zero revenue from active football activities.

The most appropriate thing to do is look forward, New season, new start.

no chance football will be able to resume next august.

teams need a pre season before starting again.
Probably be no 20/21 season at all. This season probably be finished at the tstart of 2021.

The PL have already confirmed it will be finished & has to be finished for tv money.

Cantona's Collars

6 wrote: »

The desperation is uplifting

What do you hope to achieve by sh1tposting like this, you are doing it ad nauseum just looking for thanks.
People are having a discussion on what might happen,the truth is that nobody knows yet the most you can do is throw in moronic one liners and add nothing to any debate.
You are looking even more like the annoying kid outside the group constantly looking for attention.
So instead of the usual sh1te,why don't you enlighten us with your possible solution to getting football up and running again?

MeMen2_MoRi_

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Arsenal and Man U definitely won't want this to last much longer as the stock price is crashing big time.


BVB, Celtic, Lazio, Juventus & Roma are also clubs seeing their share prices crash.

With regards United, it could be potentially really bad news for opposition fans, this could be the point were the door for SA to comes in and buy the club swings wide open and isn't just a rumour whistling in the wind. For United fans that want them to get rid of glazer's it's also potentially great news then you have fans who would be against SA being anywhere near the club being bad news.. It's all about what perspective you're coming from..

Mitch Connor

Strumms wrote: »

How does it make it a lot worse. The EPL and stakeholders are generating zero revenue from active football activities.

The most appropriate thing to do is look forward, New season, new start.

You now owe the TV companies 1billion for not completing the contractually obligated matches that would have been shown.

Clubs are generating no money now, yes.
If you void the season you continue to make no money... so what difference are you making, apart from the TV issue above?

You start the season fresh in August, or whenever... ok.

How is the money generated by those first 10 matches of next season better than the money generated by the remaining 10 matches of this season?

Finishing the season protects the TV contract and generates the same match day income when the football does start over.

I'm utterly failing to see how you are explaining how voiding the season is better financially.

citytillidie

Mitch Connor wrote: »

You now owe the TV companies 1billion for not completing the contractually obligated matches that would have been shown.

Clubs are generating no money now, yes.
If you void the season you continue to make no money... so what difference are you making, apart from the TV issue above?

You start the season fresh in August, or whenever... ok.

How is the money generated by those first 10 matches of next season better than the money generated by the remaining 10 matches of this season?

Finishing the season protects the TV contract and generates the same match day income when the football does start over.

I'm utterly failing to see how you are explaining how voiding the season is better financially.

Voiding the season will also mean no prize money being awarded and how many lower PL clubs or those in the Championship still getting money need that money to survive ?

MD1990

https://twitter.com/AnfieldWatch/status/1241711081384525826?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1241711081384525826&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2058050887%26page%3D408


case closed.

Strumms

Mitch Connor wrote: »

You now owe the TV companies 1billion for not completing the contractually obligated matches that would have been shown.

Clubs are generating no money now, yes.
If you void the season you continue to make no money... so what difference are you making, apart from the TV issue above?

You start the season fresh in August, or whenever... ok.

How is the money generated by those first 10 matches of next season better than the money generated by the remaining 10 matches of this season?

Finishing the season protects the TV contract and generates the same match day income when the football does start over.

I'm utterly failing to see how you are explaining how voiding the season is better financially.

Not completing matches, is out of your control, what is war broke out, if a serious worldwide virus came about like is happening or indeed any situation that would prevent the season being completed. The legal term is ‘Force Majeure’... I’d be thunderstruck if that wasn’t enshrined into the contracts clubs sign with the EPL. Has to be.

Mitch Connor

Strumms wrote: »

Not completing matches, is out of your control, what is war broke out, if a serious worldwide virus came about like is happening or indeed any situation that would prevent the season being completed. The legal term is ‘Force Majeure’... I’d be thunderstruck if that wasn’t enshrined into the contracts clubs sign with the EPL. Has to be.

But they can complete the matches, at the time you are saying to start next season.

Strumms

Mitch Connor wrote: »

But they can complete the matches, at the time you are saying to start next season.

Hopefully, I’d rather that happen and next season kick on, maybe with a mid season break, 10 days or so to enable players to rest and recharge.

Agent Coulson

If this goes on till the end of the year it could well be next season that is null and voided and this one is finished/ restarted in January next year.

So season 19/20 restarts in in January 2021 and runs till May and then season 21/22 starts the following August and we lose season 20/21.

Iused2likebusts

What is the benefit of making the season Null and Void. Unless you think that the virus just happens to stop being an issue at the exact time next season is due to start.

Cantona's Collars

MD1990 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AnfieldWatch/status/1241711081384525826?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1241711081384525826&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2058050887%26page%3D408


case closed.

So voiding the whole of next season to finish this is a sensible thing to do?
Wayne was never known for his intelligence.
John Barnes came out with the same thing last week.

pjohnson

Loosing an entire season for the sake 9 games doesnt seem right.

Wonder how broadcasters would feel about that it'd be some clatter decline of revenue.

Mitch Connor

pjohnson wrote: »

Loosing an entire season for the sake 9 games doesnt seem right.

Wonder how broadcasters would feel about that?

It won't happen though.

For that to happen you would have to play the remaining games, then not play football again until the following august (2021).

Its hyperbole.

Next season will happen. It will just happen later and the calendar will have to be adjusted. Same for the season after that, probably. Could take a couple of seasons for football to get back in 'sync'

The only season in danger of not happening is this one, if it is voided.

MD1990

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

So voiding the whole of next season to finish this is a sensible thing to do?
Wayne was never known for his intelligence.
John Barnes came out with the same thing last week.

its been decided the season will be finished.

Get over it.

Mitch Connor

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

What is the benefit of making the season Null and Void. Unless you think that the virus just happens to stop being an issue at the exact time next season is due to start.

It is more likely that you can start next season in August, or close to it, than it is to finish this season and start next season in August. So the possible benefit is less rearranging of the football calendar for the next few years.

pjohnson

Mitch Connor wrote: »

It won't happen though.

For that to happen you would have to play the remaining games, then not play football again until the following august (2021).

Its hyperbole.

Next season will happen. It will just happen later and the calendar will have to be adjusted. Same for the season after that, probably. Could take a couple of seasons for football to get back in 'sync'

The only season in danger of not happening is this one, if it is voided.

But with the mess England are making of the virus if this goes into late 2020 to finish this year then they are cramped to fit in a full 2020/21 season into the first half of 2021 without also warping the 21/22 season.

Unless the FA just plan on plowing on regardless while the Euro's are happening to rush next season to finish.

citytillidie

seasons will be messed up anyways for 2022 World Cup

Iused2likebusts

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

So voiding the whole of next season to finish this is a sensible thing to do?
Wayne was never known for his intelligence.
John Barnes came out with the same thing last week.

Its november authorities say its safe to play football again. What do you suggest happens.

Mitch Connor

pjohnson wrote: »

But with the mess England are making of the virus if this goes into late 2020 to finish this year then they are cramped to fit in a full 2020/21 season into the first half of 2021 without also warping the 21/22 season.

Unless the FA just plan on plowing on regardless while the Euro's are happening to rush next season to finish.

as I said before, the practicalities of a global calendar may well trump what the PL would like to do.

But I am damn sure they will want this season to finish, and will be planning for that as long as possible. The legal minefield of not finishing the season (declaring it finished now, or voiding it) is something they will want to avoid if at all possible.

I do think there will come a time that resuming the PL is just not practically realistic.

Though that time, itself, will be impacted by Uefa and other countries decisions.

I'm not arguing that this season HAS to be played out at all costs no matter what, its just giving up on it is not something the PL can do right now.

Cantona's Collars

MD1990 wrote: »

its been decided the season will be finished.

Get over it.

How do you mean "get over it"? Me as much as the next football fan wants nothing more than seeing games back asap.
You seem very emotional about this,relax. There's nothing we can do except wait and see. Everything printed,tweeted,posted is just opinion and guesswork. Don't let it get to you so much.

MD1990

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

How do you mean "get over it"? Me as much as the next football fan wants nothing more than seeing games back asap.
You seem very emotional about this,relax. There's nothing we can do except wait and see. Everything printed,tweeted,posted is just opinion and guesswork. Don't let it get to you so much.

Im not emotional about it.

We have people in here still coming up with reasons why the season wont be finished etc.

Its been decided it will be.

Maybe things might change depending how things are in 9 months.
in the meantime juts get over the fact Liverpool will win the league.

A cohort of social media disgruntled 'fans' don't hold sway over the majority of players, teams, tv companies and legal issues. They are the minority it seems. I'd say that the news last week was devastating, and hadn't sunk in.

Cantona's Collars

MD1990 wrote: »

Im not emotional about it.

We have people in here still coming up with reasons why the season wont be finished etc.

Its been decided it will be.

Maybe things might change depending how things are in 9 months.
in the meantime juts get over the fact Liverpool will win the league.

They have the league wrapped up,where did I ever say anything about them not winning it?

9 months? Did you just pluck that out of the sky?
There has to be a red line somewhere, there's more at stake to other clubs than just Liverpool,Villa could go bust along with perhaps Bournemouth. Clubs looking at promotion and relegation, European competition needs to be sorted. A lot more than just one club.

Cantona's Collars

6 wrote: »

A cohort of social media disgruntled 'fans' don't hold sway over the majority of players, teams, tv companies and legal issues. They are the minority it seems. I'd say that the news last week was devastating, and hadn't sunk in.

You are still stirring I see,still no ideas on how football gets going again so?
Thought not.

MD1990

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

They have the league wrapped up,where did I ever say anything about them not winning it?

9 months? Did you just pluck that out of the sky?
There has to be a red line somewhere, there's more at stake to other clubs than just Liverpool,Villa could go bust along with perhaps Bournemouth. Clubs looking at promotion and relegation, European competition needs to be sorted. A lot more than just one club.

In your opinion & people who want the leagie void.

A few in here are still convincing themselves the league will be void despite the league being extended indefinitely & all the clubs saying it has to be finished even if it runs into next season.

Just accept it & move on.
a Vaccine may be out in 9 months or start of 2021.

People wont accept anything until there is confirmation. Until then it's all speculation and suggestion.

Get over it

As you say

Cantona's Collars

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

You are still stirring I see,still no ideas on how football gets going again so?
Thought not.

Stirring? Do you want even read your own posts?

No, just going by the official news last week.

People are getting too emotional. Stay safe, protect your loved ones. Forget petty squabbles. Worry about our own team first also, in football terms. I've seen a good few people on social media putting other's teams fortunes over their own. Even when their own club may lose out. Clearly not real supporters.

MD1990

Deleted User wrote: »

People wont accept anything until there is confirmation. Until then it's all speculation and suggestion.

Get over it

As you say

The PL has been extended indefinitely.

some people in here must have taken a blow to the head.

Cantona's Collars

6 wrote: »

Stirring? Do you want even read your own posts?

No, just going by the official news last week.

People are getting too emotional. Stay safe, protect your loved ones. Forget petty squabbles. Worry about our own team first also, in football terms. I've seen a good few people on social media putting other's teams fortunes over their own. Even when their own club may lose out. Clearly not real supporters.

You took more glee than anyone when the EPL statement came out, nothing changed really with it.Nobody knows when we'll see football again but all you saw was a chance to thank whore and bait posters even some who support Liverpool.
If you are saying "forget petty squabbles,stay safe, protect loved ones" you are being pretty disingenuous as on the other hand you are more interested in getting reactions.
Everyone knows your schtick under this guise and your previous one, so pretending to care about anything other than cheap laughs and digs doesn't wash.

It's a hard enough time for everyone without carrying extra baggage of bitterness or negativity around. Keep your energy for the long few months ahead.

Cantona's Collars

6 wrote: »

It's a hard enough time for everyone without carrying extra baggage of bitterness or negativity around. Keep your energy for the long few months ahead.

Not one bit bitter,but you could be a bit more honest really. Like I said,we know your schtick.

MD1990

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

You took more glee than anyone when the EPL statement came out, nothing changed really with it.Nobody knows when we'll see football again but all you saw was a chance to thank whore and bait posters even some who support Liverpool.
If you are saying "forget petty squabbles,stay safe, protect loved ones" you are being pretty disingenuous as on the other hand you are more interested in getting reactions.
Everyone knows your schtick under this guise and your previous one, so pretending to care about anything other than cheap laughs and digs doesn't wash.

The end date from June 1st was extended indefinitely to complete the season.

Some in here just don't want to realise this for some reason.

Will I be called emotional now? for stating this lol

Cantona's Collars

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Everyone knows your schtick under this guise and your previous one, so pretending to care about anything other than cheap laughs and digs doesn't wash.

You realise you are talking exactly about yourself here?

Quick question.

Liverpool to win the league and Utd top 4 or
Liverpool to miss out and Utd to miss out.

What's your choice? If it's the second one you're not a real supporter imo.

Cantona's Collars

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Not one bit bitter,but you could be a bit more honest really. Like I said,we know your schtick.

We know yours. Great game this

PyreOfHellfire

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Not one bit bitter,but you could be a bit more honest really. Like I said,we know your schtick.

This is satire right? :pac::pac::pac::D:D:D

Cantona's Collars

6 wrote: »

We know yours. Great game this :pac:

See,the true colours come out. Just wants to get one over and tries to be the comedian.
Still waiting on that intelligent post, I'll leave you to it, could take a while.

Cantona's Collars

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

See,the true colours come out. Just wants to get one over and tries to be the comedian.
Still waiting on that intelligent post, I'll leave you to it, could take a while.

Your true colors are out now. Let's leave it there.

Mitch Connor

MD1990 wrote: »

The end date from June 1st was extended indefinitely to complete the season.

Some in here just don't want to realise this for some reason.

Will I be called emotional now? for stating this lol

Do you think that is set in stone though?

I think the clubs have done so provide wriggle room, but what happens with this season will be influenced by what happens in other countries, and with Uefa. The PL won't plough on in isolation. With the practicalities of CL or EL football, there may come a time when a decision needs to be made. Void the season and go with last years qualifiers, call the season with qualifiers as placed now, finish the season but stick with one of the set of qualifiers regardless of final places, finish the season with no subsequent Euro participation.

If you think it is 100% certain that this season gets played out, you are wrong, imo. there is still a very real possibility of the season being over (one way or another) right now.

The initial PL decision was with the hope football would be back in April or May. If it isn't back til July/August then the factors in the decision become different.

And I say that as someone who has been very clear in stating I have no doubt the PL want to complete the season (for a number of reasons), but I also undertand that no matter what has been said to this point, there is still a real chance of the season not being completed. We have no idea what the UK is going to look like in 2 months time.

Cantona's Collars

6 wrote: »

Your true colors are out now. Let's leave it there.

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