General Premier League Thread 2019-20

8-10

brinty wrote: »

Does this mean Liverpool are still the hokders despite being knocked out by Atletico. Asking for a friend.....

They're holders because nobody else has won it since Jordan Henderson lifted it

Agent Coulson

Boris has ordered a lockdown in the UK.

Agent Coulson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Boris has ordered a lockdown in the UK.

Great news. Should have happened a week/10 days ago tbh.

The_Kew_Tour

London especially is miles off where it should be still.

We are facing a long road back

Cork Boy 53

8-10 wrote: »

They're holders because nobody else has won it since Jordan Henderson lifted it

Should this season`s CL be abandoned as is looking more and more likely, then Liverpool will still be the holders whenever the competition is able to begin again.

brinty

Cork Boy 53 wrote:

Should this season`s CL be abandoned as is looking more and more likely, then Liverpool will still be the holders whenever the competition is able to begin again.

Oh so it's ok for the champions league to be abandoned but the premier league has to be finished

There's Liverpool logic right there

League champions in a competition they haven't actually won and holders in a competition they've been knocked out off..


Sums up things perfectly

Rock77

If the league and champions league are cancelled (which I really hope doesn’t happen) Liverpool will still be European champions because they were the last to win it.. however they will not be Premiership champions because they have never won the premiership.....

In my opinion ..

8-10

brinty wrote: »

Oh so it's ok for the champions league to be abandoned

Have you actually heard anybody say that would be ok?

brinty

8-10 wrote:

Have you actually heard anybody say that would be ok?

Did you read CorkBoys post?

PyreOfHellfire

brinty wrote: »

Did you read CorkBoys post?

I just did. You clearly didn't though. No where in his post did he mention the PL but you decided to hear what you wanted to hear. I know you're likely getting a little stir crazy with this virus going about but seriously, you need to grow up because the way you act on this thread is pure childishness, it's not banter or a laugh to you. You take everything so personally it's actually kind of sad. It's just football brinty.

8-10

brinty wrote: »

Did you read CorkBoys post?

He said it was looking more likely that CL would be abandoned and didn't mention anything about the league and didn't offer any opinion on whether it was ok or not.



I think you're looking to hear what you want to hear a bit

The_Kew_Tour

Its either play them all and finish them or start again.

Cant just have a bit of one and the other.

MD1990

CL has to be finished.

Denying Atalanta a Q/F after what they are going through would be a disgrace.

Will be very special occasion whenever that tie goes ahead.

Wuhan is back operational. Incredible stuff

Cork Boy 53

6 wrote: »

Wuhan is back operational. Incredible stuff

When you consider what the Chinese authorities implemented and enforced there it puts things in perspective.

Martin Tyler AgueroooOO

The world is in its biggest crisis since WW2 yet Brinty still needs to get his digs in about Liverpool for his own and a few others amusement. That tells you all you really need to know about the person behind the user name.

Cork Boy 53

brinty wrote: »

Did you read CorkBoys post?

I never stated it was OK. Please stop making up ****e that suits your narrative.

LuckyLloyd

brinty wrote: »

Oh so it's ok for the champions league to be abandoned but the premier league has to be finished

There's Liverpool logic right there

League champions in a competition they haven't actually won and holders in a competition they've been knocked out off..


Sums up things perfectly

What sums things up is your volume of hopecasting in this thread, desperate for Liverpool to be denied the thing you fear the most - which is some going in the midst of a deadly pandemic killing thousands of people across Europe every day.

State of your posts.

Ouch. Game set and match.

noodler

brinty wrote: »

Could see a similar exodus from Anfield if the FA keep up their stance and no English club is in Europe.

Could see plenty of clubs being interested in Allison and van dijk. Possibly Salah and Firminio too.

They've no loyalty to Liverpool, so could go where the money is. They'd have the offer of CL football too.

Players like Robertson, TAA and Mane have a much closer affinity

This could break up the Liverpool team too just as easily.

Would they not just ban you at this stage?

brinty

Cork Boy 53 wrote:

When you consider what the Chinese authorities implemented and enforced there it puts things in perspective.

That's a point will made. They were very quick to lock things down. Hopefully we'll see a reduction in numbers here soon and across the water. No one wants to see that escalate so you'd hope they've done things in time but you'd fear the worst given how far they were behind everyone else.

Harry Kane almost fit. Big boost for Spurs.

Cork Boy 53

6 wrote: »

Harry Kane almost fit. Big boost for Spurs.

By the time Spurs or anyone else get to play a match again it will be irrelevant.

Cork Boy 53

Pep Guardiola has joined in the fight against the virus.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/52028743

Mitch Connor

MD1990 wrote: »

CL has to be finished.

Denying Atalanta a Q/F after what they are going through would be a disgrace.

Will be very special occasion whenever that tie goes ahead.

I keep reading this, might just be yiu saying it a lot but.... Why is atalanta playing that effing important? Why tf are they more important than any other side or match being played.

You can't decide to continue the CL just to make atalanta happy. Ffs.

1o059k7ewrqj3n

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I keep reading this, might just be yiu saying it a lot but.... Why is atalanta playing that effing important? Why tf are they more important than any other side or match being played.

You can't decide to continue the CL just to make atalanta happy. Ffs.

The situation with Atalanta is a microcosm of European football in relation to UEFA's big tournament competitions - there are many, many clubs who are in a position to qualify for European football and receive a substantial monetary reward for doing so, there are clubs who are currently in CL and Europa competitions and the same can be said again for them.

Atalanta are a good example because it's a maiden CL season for them, have progressed exceptionally well. The same applies to the likes of Leicester in the EPL who have a very good chance of getting CL football this season.

Steyr 556

Steyr 556 wrote: »

The situation with Atalanta is a microcosm of European football in relation to UEFA's big tournament competitions - there are many, many clubs who are in a position to qualify for European football and receive a substantial monetary reward for doing so, there are clubs who are currently in CL and Europa competitions and the same can be said again for them.

Atalanta are a good example because it's a maiden CL season for them, have progressed exceptionally well. The same applies to the likes of Leicester in the EPL who have a very good chance of getting CL football this season.

...and United :pac:

Mitch Connor

Steyr 556 wrote: »

The situation with Atalanta is a microcosm of European football in relation to UEFA's big tournament competitions - there are many, many clubs who are in a position to qualify for European football and receive a substantial monetary reward for doing so, there are clubs who are currently in CL and Europa competitions and the same can be said again for them.

Atalanta are a good example because it's a maiden CL season for them, have progressed exceptionally well. The same applies to the likes of Leicester in the EPL who have a very good chance of getting CL football this season.

I think it is far more important to finish the leagues that it is to finish the cups.

Even on a practical level, you are 'certain' to play 19 home and 19 away games in a season, and the revenue from them can be somewhat budgetted for.

Apart from the first set of fixtures you take part in, in a cup, there are no such certainties, so it is more unlikely that a club will budget based on winning a competition, for example. The money Atalanta, as an example, would get from the remaining CL fixtures would be somewhat of a bonus.

If something has to go, it has to be the Cups. The wrinke in that is european qualification. Winner of the CL and EL get a CL place the following season, and (in the case of England, the FA Cup winner gets a EL place. Uefa could just bump qualifying round qualifiers up a level to make up for the shortfall and FA could give the FA Cup spot to the next down in the PL table.

The 'fairy tale' of Atalanta is nice, but it can't be the deciding factor or what happens. There are practicalities that need to be considered.

Just as I say with the PL, while the intention is there to finish out the season (and Uefa for the Cups), there will come a point in time where they all could decide too much time has been lost, the impact on player contracts, business contracts, future seasons etc is becoming too big, and the season is just ended (by void or called finished).

MD1990

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I keep reading this, might just be yiu saying it a lot but.... Why is atalanta playing that effing important? Why tf are they more important than any other side or match being played.

You can't decide to continue the CL just to make atalanta happy. Ffs.

Their region has been decimated by the Coronavirus.

Have a budget of a championship club. Great team to watch as well.
CL needs to be finished.

giveitholly

Reported on radio 1 that teams in the Chinese league have started back training since last monday and they hope to start their league in mid april

Mitch Connor

MD1990 wrote: »

Their region has been decimated by the Coronavirus.

Have a budget of a championship club. Great team to watch as well.
CL needs to be finished.

In terms of deciding to complete the CL, neither of the arguments are good enough. Sentimental, thats all those arguments are.

I've no problem with the CL being completed but if there are issues around sorting out a calendar - especially if you consider that the timeline for football to retrun in each country will be different - the CL and EL are on the chopping block.

How do you run the CL (or EL) if Italy returns to footie in July, Spain in August and England in October? You just keep postponing it until everyone is back? So it could come back when one country is finishing a season, another is starting the next and someone else is going into the off-season.

the Uefa calendar is in serious danger, and saying the CL must be completed because Atalanta have a championship budget is just stupid.

8-10

There is a complete commitment across English football to get this season finished.

There is plenty of modelling happening on how to finish the season. Null and void is completely off the table.

Arsenal journalist David Ornstein on his podcast on The Athletic

MD1990

Mitch Connor wrote: »

In terms of deciding to complete the CL, neither of the arguments are good enough. Sentimental, thats all those arguments are.

I've no problem with the CL being completed but if there are issues around sorting out a calendar - especially if you consider that the timeline for football to retrun in each country will be different - the CL and EL are on the chopping block.

How do you run the CL (or EL) if Italy returns to footie in July, Spain in August and England in October? You just keep postponing it until everyone is back? So it could come back when one country is finishing a season, another is starting the next and someone else is going into the off-season.

the Uefa calendar is in serious danger, and saying the CL must be completed because Atalanta have a championship budget is just stupid.

play out the last 16.

Finish the rest in a 2 week period at the end of the seasons. 1 leg on neautel venue for quarter,semi & final.

Mitch Connor

8-10 wrote: »

Arsenal journalist David Ornstein on his podcast on The Athletic

Considering non-league clubs have voted to finish their season immediately, so that playing contracts can be ended, it is clear that there is not complete agreement across all of english football.

Mitch Connor

MD1990 wrote: »

play out the last 16.

Finish the rest in a 2 week period at the end of the seasons. 1 leg on neautel venue for quarter,semi & final.

How could you deny Atalanta a home semi-final? It would be such a magical occassion, would a disgrace to deny them.

No?

Also, the end of which season. Again, we are going to be dealing with teams and countries on different timelines. Could be months between one country finishing their season and another.

MD1990

Mitch Connor wrote: »

How could you deny Atalanta a home semi-final? It would be such a magical occassion, would a disgrace to deny them.

No?

Also, the end of which season. Again, we are going to be dealing with teams and countries on different timelines. Could be months between one country finishing their season and another.

Just have to re asses in a few months.

It will most likely be very hard to start a new CL campaign next season rather than finish this season's.
Need a vaccine otherwise they'll very likely be outbreaks.

Finish this season over the next year.
And then start the 21/22 season could be the way to go.
Will most likely be hard to complete a whole season 60 games+ without having a disruption because of the virus.

Easier to finish 9 games & Europe over 12 months than think next season will be ok to finish without another huge disruption. That would be naive. Need a vaccine.

As a Liverpool fan if the season was void & we started the 20/21 I would be very disapointed of course but would just accept it & move on provided no more outbreaks & things under complete control.

But it would be very frustating if the season started & we had another outbreak & then next season 20/21 was void. This could happen.

8-10

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Considering non-league clubs have voted to finish their season immediately, so that playing contracts can be ended, it is clear that there is not complete agreement across all of english football.

I assumed he meant across EFL and EPL

brinty

8-10 wrote:

Arsenal journalist David Ornstein on his podcast on The Athletic

And since when did he run the game. UEFA and FA will decide

Any journalist can say what they like.

Pretty sure Ornstein is a known BS artist

brinty

Mitch Connor wrote:

Considering non-league clubs have voted to finish their season immediately, so that playing contracts can be ended, it is clear that there is not complete agreement across all of english football.

Shush now Mitch, don't run a good Liverpool fans assumption

Baggly

brinty wrote:

Pretty sure Ornstein is a known BS artist

How sure. Like give us a percentage. And then back it up with examples.

brinty

noodler wrote:

Would they not just ban you at this stage?

Oh so it's ok for fans to suggest city will be decimated by players leaving but don't dare suggest that about Liverpool.

Don't get all high and mighty, the suit doesn't fit too well

If it can happen to one club it could happen to any club.

brinty

Baggly wrote:

How sure. Like give us a percentage. And then back it up with examples.

How's about you prove me wrong .

Fitz*

Baggly wrote: »

How sure. Like give us a percentage. And then back it up with examples.

He has history for this.

Only the other day, he was suggesting that some PL players are on steroids, or some sort of doping mechanisms, but wouldn't back it up when asked to.

Fitz*

brinty wrote: »

How's about you prove me wrong .

He was the first person to suggest that Liverpool would spend very little money last summer. Every Liverpool fan doubted his knowledge & sources, but it happened.

He has been extremely reliable on Arsenal information in the past also.

There's 2.

Baggly

brinty wrote: »

How's about you prove me wrong .

Its impossible to prove a negative.

You can prove (i assume) is a spoofer, but i cant prove he isnt.

dogbert27

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Considering non-league clubs have voted to finish their season immediately, so that playing contracts can be ended, it is clear that there is not complete agreement across all of english football.

You're trying to compare the action of non-league clubs to the PL?

As mentioned the PL could face legal action from tv companies to the tune of over 700 million for not completing the season and now agents are threatening clubs with legal action for 300 million in payments

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8149017/Agents-demand-300m-Premier-League-clubs-face-mass-legal-action-amid-coronavirus-uncertainty.html

There does not need to be agreement between non-league clubs and the PL.

Even the whole farce of the winter break showed that the FA and PL don't synchronize their calendars.

Mitch Connor

dogbert27 wrote: »

You're trying to compare the action of non-league clubs to the PL?

As mentioned the PL could face legal action from tv companies to the tune of over 700 million for not completing the season and now agents are threatening clubs with legal action for 300 million in payments

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8149017/Agents-demand-300m-Premier-League-clubs-face-mass-legal-action-amid-coronavirus-uncertainty.html

There does not need to be agreement between non-league clubs and the PL.

Even the whole farce of the winter break showed that the FA and PL don't synchronize their calendars.

What are you talking about?
Where have I tried to make such a comparison?
How on earth have you come up with that?

I responded to a statement saying the entirety of English football was in agreement on finishing the season, saying the non-league clubs (steps 4 and 5 i think) have already voted to end the season as they can't financially support the season being suspended indefinitely. They are part of English football.

Shanotheslayer

brinty wrote: »

Oh so it's ok for fans to suggest city will be decimated by players leaving but don't dare suggest that about Liverpool.

Don't get all high and mighty, the suit doesn't fit too well

If it can happen to one club it could happen to any club.

You told me before you don't deal with hypotheticals yet here you are

brinty

Shanotheslayer wrote:

You told me before you don't deal with hypotheticals yet here you are

I'm not dealing in hypotheticals, quote the post I responded to for context.

Someone, a Liverpool supporter I believe but I could be wrong, said city might lose players.

I said Liverpool could just as easily.

So could United, Chelsea or Arsenal and every other club.

It amazes Liverpool fans can throw out whatever they like on here and when it's suggested that could happen to them they get such a hive mentally, have to respond and get so offended by everything

Relax lads, it's only football it's nothing serious, stop getting so worked up about it

Trigger

8-10 wrote: »

I assumed he meant across EFL and EPL

The National league are still tiers in English football, with Promotions to League 2, there would then be ramifications for League 2 if they dont finish their seasons. you can almost guarantee that there is teams in league 2 and League 1 that would be in the same situations.

The top 2 leagues are were the money is alright but the FA will have to look at the overall picture, not just the top end when deciding it, they have an obligation to look after ALL of their clubs.