General Premier League Thread 2019-20

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Today marks a remarkable 3 years since Liverpool last lost a Premier League game at Anfield - a 2-1 defeat by Crystal Palace thanks to Christian Benteke on April 23rd 2017

In that timeframe:

Wins - 45
Draws - 10
Losses - 0

Still a long way to go to match Chelsea's ridiculous record under Mourinho but given how things are going we could have a 4-year unbeaten record with the same amount of games played this time next year!

y0ssar1an22

FitzShane wrote: »

FIFA have given recommendations to clubs to extend contracts by 3 months or whatever it is, so if Bournemouth want to give a 3 month contract to theirr players, they are more than welcome to. The thing is, the majority of these players would probably be leaving anyways so it's a pretty easy thing to tie up.

Ryan Fraser is the obvious candidate that Bournemouth will want to keep at the club no matter what, and have him available for all their games. I get the impression that Fraser might see his future elsewhere though. But I do think he would be the type of player to commit to a 3 month contract and play out the season before moving on to a new club.

I'm 99.999999% sure that Liverpool will let Wilson stay on loan at Bournemouth for the remainder of the 19/20 season, even if the season extends beyond the June 30th date. He can't play for anyone else other than Bournemouth until next season either way.

The majority of the other players would probably have been leaving the club or not playing anyways.

Jordon Ibe is not wanted by the club. He was training with the reserves for a while too. Barely makes the match day squad.
Jack Simpson is in & out of the squad. 1 league start.

35 year old Simon Francis in & out of the team. Plays due to injuries from what I can see.
33 year old Charlie Daniels (injured for the whole season)
40 year old Arter Boruc (0 appearances all comps)
33 year old Andrew Surman (2 premier league starts)

not really, they would need to open up the transfer window, to allow these players to register with another club. then just open it up for out of contract players.

then you have the case where bournemouth could lose 8 first teamers and not be able to replace them.

well then just force the players to stay when they want to leave by 'blackmailing' them by not allowing them to register for someone else.

its gets pretty messy

Drumpot

Martin Tyler AgueroooOO wrote: »

For any of the 3 teams that come up from the Championship one season in the Premier League is worth £200m if the they go straight back down with between TV money and parachute payments. So a couple of million to pay top class lawyers to bring legal action as far as it goes would be well worth it to them to make sure there is promotion.

You are probably right and there’s a good chance they could win a few quid but could they reverse a decision agreed by the majority of the clubs in the EPL? I’m not so sure , always find these sort of things interesting. I’m guessing the biggest argument is the investments made in the squad in good faith. But on the flip side no club is guaranteed to go up so whatever You have spent on a squad has to factor in the possibility of playing in championship next season.

So then it prob boils down to contraction agreements regarding relegation and promotion. But isn’t the EPL a Seperate entity that’s entitled to make up or amend its own rules (think it needs 2/3 majority of clubs to vote a certain way). In short, what gives one club the authority to challange the majority when there is extenuating circumstances? I’m speaking purely from an objective stance , I don’t blame clubs for potentially taking a decision to court I just don’t see what sort of rational argument they have.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Liam O wrote: »

Ambulances are needed in case a player's heart stops or there is a medical emergency that can't be treated on the field. It could literally be the difference between life and death or a player keeping one of their legs.

Ambulances are often provided by St Johns ambulance at premier league and national league events which would not be impacted by the NHS wait times or times to get an ambulance from a hospital to a ground although at the moment they are supporting the NHS where requested/required.

Fitz*

This is more applicable to the Football & Coronavirus thread, but in a way it applies here.

Local government in Berlin will not allow football to be played with fans for at least 6 months. But that is not to say that football behind closed doors is not allowed.

https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1253244642637819904

Either way, we are going to have to live in a world where football will have to be played behind closed doors or else the 19/20 or possibly the 20/21 season will not go ahead and the next season we see could well be January 2022.

Just because fans grouped together outside a stadium a month ago does not mean that they will do again in a month's time. Those Champions League games (March 10th & March 11th) with the groups of fans congregating were before Ireland and the majority of countries even went into lockdown. Spain shut down on March 12th with France following suit on March 14th. These were days after the 2 games went ahead.

There is a lockdown in place now. People are told to not gather in groups. There are new restrictions in place now to stop 20,000 people grouping together outside a stadium.

Football will have to start with behind closed doors before it comes back to full stadiums. The same way schools will trial one day a week schemes. The same way we will see staggered approaches to re-opening offices. We can't go from 0-100 straight away.

yabadabado

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

Ambulances are often provided by St Johns ambulance at premier league and national league events which would not be impacted by the NHS wait times or times to get an ambulance from a hospital to a ground although at the moment they are supporting the NHS where requested/required.

Do they provide services to playing staff or just supporters?

Osamabindipper

FitzShane wrote: »

This is more applicable to the Football & Coronavirus thread, but in a way it applies here.

Local government in Berlin will not allow football to be played with fans for at least 6 months. But that is not to say that football behind closed doors is not allowed.

https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1253244642637819904

Either way, we are going to have to live in a world where football will have to be played behind closed doors or else the 19/20 or the 20/21 season will not go ahead and the next season we see could well be January 2022.

Just because fans grouped together outside a stadium a month ago does not mean that they will do again in a month's time. Those Champions League games (March 10th & March 11th) with the groups of fans congregating were before Ireland and the majority of countries even went into lockdown. Spain shut down on March 12th with France following suit on March 14th. These were days after the 2 games went ahead.

There is a lockdown in place now. People are told to not gather in groups. There are new restrictions in place now to stop 20,000 people grouping together outside a stadium.

Football will have to start with behind closed doors before it comes back to full stadiums. The same way schools will trial one day a week schemes. The same way we will see staggered approaches to re-opening offices. We can't go from 0-100 straight away.

I agree I don't think fans congregating will be a deciding factor if the premier league returns or not it will be resources needed to run the events that will decide it.

But just to say we don't think fans will turn up that doesn't mean that they won't need policing outside the ground to turn back fans. That's going to be another issue.

Drumpot

FitzShane wrote: »

This is more applicable to the Football & Coronavirus thread, but in a way it applies here.

Local government in Berlin will not allow football to be played with fans for at least 6 months. But that is not to say that football behind closed doors is not allowed.

https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1253244642637819904

Either way, we are going to have to live in a world where football will have to be played behind closed doors or else the 19/20 or the 20/21 season will not go ahead and the next season we see could well be January 2022.

Just because fans grouped together a month ago does not mean that they will do in a month's time. Those Champions League games (March 10th & March 11th) with the groups of fans congregating were before Ireland and the majority of countries even went into lockdown. Spain shut down on March 12th with France following suit on March 14th. These were days after the 2 games went ahead.

There is a lockdown in place now. People are told to not gather in groups.

The Valencia game was on

How do you stop fans congregating outside of a ground, it really is a logistical nightmare. And if pubs are opened good luck with that, the already not very clever fans become even more belligerent and less clever.

I’d say fully opening up stadiums to fans but keeping pubs closed, no alcohol sold in or around ground, nobody who has been drinking admitted and having all shops near or in a ground closed (so no congregation in closed environment) would be better then Games behind closed doors but pubs and everything else opened.

Osamabindipper

yabadabado wrote: »

Do they provide services to playing staff or just supporters?

I'm nearly sure games need doctors and ambulances at the ground. St John ambulance just backs them up but they wouldn't be enough to I sure or run an event.

Mitch Connor

Drumpot wrote: »

How do you stop fans congregating outside of a ground, it really is a logistical nightmare. And if pubs are opened good luck with that, the already not very clever fans become even more belligerent and less clever.

I’d say fully opening up stadiums to fans but keeping pubs closed, no alcohol sold in or around ground, nobody who has been drinking admitted and having all shops near or in a ground closed (so no congregation in closed environment) would be better then Games behind closed doors but pubs and everything else opened.

You can't fully open up a stadium with Social Distancing - its just not possible.

You won't be able to stop all fans from congregating, but I think biggest issue with that will be the first couple of match days. After that it would calm as more and more realise they will be moved on (there would have to be some policing)

I think the numbers would, in general, be relatively small.

At the same time, I don't think football comes back before restrictions are lifted to a biggish degree - so you are looking at people being allowed to the park, to the beach etc. WHere we are out of lockdown. So that would also form part of the thinking around fans outside the stadium (and numbers).

Fitz*

Drumpot wrote: »

How do you stop fans congregating outside of a ground, it really is a logistical nightmare. And if pubs are opened good luck with that, the already not very clever fans become even more belligerent and less clever.

I’d say fully opening up stadiums to fans but keeping pubs closed, no alcohol sold in or around ground, nobody who has been drinking admitted and having all shops near or in a ground closed (so no congregation in closed environment) would be better then Games behind closed doors but pubs and everything else opened.

How are we stopping people grouping together currently in every day life? By enforcing the lockdown. Restrictions are in place. People are not travelling en masse because they are told not to. We have had 6 weeks of these measures now and people are adapting.

PSG & Valencia fans congregated en masse outside stadiums because they were allowed to. There were no restrictions in place at the time in Spain & France.

The vast majority of football fans are not coked fueled hooligans who just want to break out and cause havoc around the stadium. Let take a rough guide of 40,000 fans at any PL game. When you factor in away fans who will not be travelling, the overseas fans who will not be travelling, the huge amount of 'dad & lad' fans who won't be attending, the older generation of fans will not be going. The general white collar worker won't be going to the stadium as they have been practicing social distancing for the last 6 weeks and its pretty normalized now. And all these people are able to watch the game in their house. They are not able to watch it on the street. How many of the average match day population are going to congregate outside the stadium?

Of course there will be a few who try to gather around the stadiums initially, but some strong fines will deter them. As with all walks of life, some people will just be pr1cks because they want to. We see it every weekend in Ireland still, even during the lockdown. With an increase in population, the greater the number of pr1cks.

Pubs won't be opened until October anyways IMO, and even then, they will be (let's pick an arbitrary figure of) 30% of health & safety capacity to ensure that social distancing can take place.

RasTa

https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1252904337728319488

Thanx 4 The Fish

yabadabado wrote: »

Do they provide services to playing staff or just supporters?

Both, they are usually the guys on the side of the pitch on stretcher duty and have ambulances on site too, club doctors/physios are often there as well.

niallo27

adox wrote: »

The Late Late Show is still on so bring back football.

You seriously couldn’t make it up.

Anything for a dig, can you get over your little personal agenda and talk about the issues please, its pretty pathetic.

RasTa

I can see this happening now

https://twitter.com/martynziegler/status/1253264908684271617

niallo27

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

For all to see.

Whats this about.

adox

niallo27 wrote: »

Anything for a dig, can you get over your little personal agenda and talk about the issues please, its pretty pathetic.

What are you on about? It’s not a dig per say. It’s commenting on the ridiculousness of your post.

Don’t post it if you don’t want it commented on.

niallo27

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Yeah, ambulances 100% have to be present. Doubt insurance would even allow games to go ahead without them.


I’m unsure what this means...? Is it related to the conversation in some way I’m not getting?

Its a dig at the ambulance at anfield getting allegedly blocked after Alan Smith broke his leg, ****en hell this is a new level of low even for them.

8-10

RasTa wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1252904337728319488

Neil Atkinson is a terrific broadcaster and writer, more than just a fan at the game, he's always on the pulse with the fanbase and the club as a whole. Up there with James Richardson as the most listenable voice on soccer in the UK.

Agree with a lot that he's said - clarity has been completely lacking throughout all of this from the UK establishment

citytillidie

RasTa wrote: »

I can see this happening now

https://twitter.com/martynziegler/status/1253264908684271617

Would leave this

Team Points Played PPG
Liverpool 82 29 2.827586207
Man City 57 28 2.035714286
Leicester 53 29 1.827586207
Chelsea 48 29 1.655172414
Man Utd 45 29 1.551724138
Sheff Utd 43 28 1.535714286
Wolves 43 29 1.482758621
Arsenal 40 28 1.428571429
Spurs 41 29 1.413793103
Burnley 39 29 1.344827586
Palace 39 29 1.344827586
Everton 37 29 1.275862069
Newcastle 35 29 1.206896552
Southampton 34 29 1.172413793
Brighton 29 29 1
Bournemouth 27 29 0.931034483
West Ham 27 29 0.931034483
Watford 27 29 0.931034483
Aston Villa 25 28 0.892857143
Norwich 21 29 0.724137931

Mitch Connor

RasTa wrote: »

I can see this happening now

https://twitter.com/martynziegler/status/1253264908684271617

Was looking at PPG the other day, I don't think it makes a material difference in the PL. Two positions are swapped (so prize money allocation?) but I don't think it affects Euro spots or relegation.

At this stage of the season you would need to be on the same points with a game less played (in the PL). If there is the difference of a couple of matches it could be different.

Though PPG does make sense, it also has an unfairness to it as well. Some teams will have an easier run in after having a tougher start to the season for example - so they would be expecting to gain more points over the last 9 or 10 games than some other similar period in the season. Some teams have played Liverpool twice, some have not. Some have played more home games than others.

There is really no fair way to end the season now, its all a matter of degrees (unless you play the last 9/10 games out)

Mitch Connor

citytillidie wrote: »

Would leave this

Team Points
Liverpool 2.827586207
Man City 2.035714286
Leicester 1.785714286
Chelsea 1.655172414
Man Utd 1.551724138
Sheff Utd 1.535714286
Wolves 1.482758621
Arsenal 1.413793103
Spurs 1.428571429
Burnley 1.344827586
Palace 1.344827586
Everton 1.275862069
Newcastle 1.206896552
Southampton 1.172413793
Brighton 1
Bournemouth 0.931034483
West Ham 0.931034483
Watford 0.931034483
Aston Villa 0.925925926
Norwich 0.724137931

You have Arsenal and Spurs swapped incorrectly.

I'd also assume Bournemount would still be in 18th based on Goal Difference.

yabadabado

yabadabado wrote: »

Do they provide services to playing staff or just supporters?

St. Johns ambulance could be used for something more important like the actual coronavirus outbreak

The concept of taking away the services for a game a football I don't understand right now

RasTa

It's the fairest options for the leagues. Finish the CL and EL behind closed doors

Mitch Connor

Deleted User wrote: »

St. Johns ambulance could be used for something more important like the actual coronavirus outbreak

The concept of taking away the services for a game a football I don't understand right now

No one is talking about RIGHT NOW.

When football returns it will be some point a bit further down the road where a number of restrictions are lifted and life is returning to normality.

At such time, the NHS and emergency services will not be as stretched (to a degree much greater than normal). If they are, it will be because things are still bad and lockdown and restrictions are still in place.

Iused2likebusts

Huge crowds of Fans gathering outside grounds 6 weeks ago is no indication of what would happen in the future. I now queue to get into a supermarket, I when walking on the pavement will purposedly move out to the side to avoid people, I wouldnt dream of being in a pub if they did happen to open and Id avoid public transport as much as possible. I wasnt doing these things 6 weeks ago but id do them now.

Mitch Connor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No one is talking about RIGHT NOW.

When football returns it will be some point a bit further down the road where a number of restrictions are lifted and life is returning to normality.

At such time, the NHS and emergency services will not be as stretched (to a degree much greater than normal). If they are, it will be because things are still bad and lockdown and restrictions are still in place.

CAPS LOCKS

Yea where did I say RIGHT NOW

Trigger

Trigger wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8097139/amp/Valencia-fans-rock-thousands-outside-Mestalla-despite-told-stay-away.html

https://www.bbc.com/sport/av/football/51845054

I take your point, but comparably innocent days. Ultra types might converge, but with a police presence (and a few water cannons to keep distance) an a plea from club managers to not attend to risk cancellation I cant see true fans attending.

Mitch Connor

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Huge crowds of Fans gathering outside grounds 6 weeks ago is no indication of what would happen in the future. I now queue to get into a supermarket, I when walking on the pavement will purposedly move out to the side to avoid people, I wouldnt dream of being in a pub if they did happen to open and Id avoid public transport as much as possible. I wasnt doing these things 6 weeks ago but id do them now.

If you consider yourself to be of above average intelligence, and a holder of common sense, you would have to concede your behaviour will not be indicative of the type of people who are having House Parties at the moment. Its those idiots we'd be concerned about, not the majority.

Mitch Connor

Deleted User wrote: »

CAPS LOCKS

Ohh, good counter argument. Well done.

How dare someone use the functionality of a keyboard to convey emphasis.

citytillidie

Mitch Connor wrote: »

You have Arsenal and Spurs swapped incorrectly.

I'd also assume Bournemount would still be in 18th based on Goal Difference.

Fixed it now

Mitch Connor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Ohh, good counter argument. Well done.

How dare someone use the functionality of a keyboard to convey emphasis.

It's embarrassing reading it tbh

Your rage or whatever you are trying to convey is a laugh

Drumpot

FitzShane wrote: »

How are we stopping people grouping together currently in every day life? By enforcing the lockdown. Restrictions are in place. People are not travelling en masse because they are told not to. We have had 6 weeks of these measures now and people are adapting.

PSG & Valencia fans congregated en masse outside stadiums because they were allowed to. There were no restrictions in place at the time in Spain & France.

The vast majority of football fans are not coked fueled hooligans who just want to break out and cause havoc around the stadium. Let take a rough guide of 40,000 fans at any PL game. When you factor in away fans who will not be travelling, the overseas fans who will not be travelling, the huge amount of 'dad & lad' fans who won't be attending, the older generation of fans will not be going. The general white collar worker won't be going to the stadium as they have been practicing social distancing for the last 6 weeks and its pretty normalized now. And all these people are able to watch the game in their house. They are not able to watch it on the street. How many of the average match day population are going to congregate outside the stadium?

Of course there will be a few who try to gather around the stadiums initially, but some strong fines will deter them. As with all walks of life, some people will just be pr1cks because they want to. We see it every weekend in Ireland still, even during the lockdown. With an increase in population, the greater the number of pr1cks.

Pubs won't be opened until October anyways IMO, and even then, they will be (let's pick an arbitrary figure of) 30% of health & safety capacity to ensure that social distancing can take place.

By the time soccer starts back up , even behind closed doors, restrictions will of been lifted in comparison to now so its not accurate to compare.

If there are big games on or games were cups will be decided some fans will goto the grounds, as sure as night follows day. There are a significant amount of morons and thugs who follow football. A majority of match going public are fine ( I go myself) but I have never been at game where there wasn't a significant presence of idiots spoiling it for others.

I think you are way too generous to a lot of the football community. Maybe going to so many games over the years and being disgusted with my own fanbases behavior at times (which is worse in other clubs) has made me a massive cynic but I see alot of belligerent fans doing what they always do and ruin it for everybody else. I know the sport loves to whitewash itself, bury its ugly secrets and promote itself as better then it is, but unfortunately this is what has to be planned for and addressed.

Mitch Connor

Deleted User wrote: »

It's embarrassing reading it tbh

Your rage or whatever you are trying to convey is a laugh

Rage? Grow up. Learn to hold a conversation and an argument.

RasTa

You can't really be telling people to grow up when using caps lock in fairness.

Drumpot

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Huge crowds of Fans gathering outside grounds 6 weeks ago is no indication of what would happen in the future. I now queue to get into a supermarket, I when walking on the pavement will purposedly move out to the side to avoid people, I wouldnt dream of being in a pub if they did happen to open and Id avoid public transport as much as possible. I wasnt doing these things 6 weeks ago but id do them now.

Yes but you are applying the logic of you being a responsible person that usually follows good guidelines, with people who dont. An ignorant, belligerant person will remain that way while they are locked up and will go back to being like that very quickly once lockdown restrictions are reduced.

MD1990

Deleted User wrote: »

CAPS LOCKS

Yea where did I day RIGHT NOW

its because you keep referencing how things are right now about when football is back.

If the virus doesn't surpress in the next few months they'll be no football.

If it does the healthcare services wont be overwhelmed & will be able to provide testing for the virus & an ambulance at games.

Its quite simple but your so insistent on that football cant return.

Mitch Connor

RasTa wrote: »

You can't really be telling people to grow up when using caps lock in fairness.

Are you kidding me?

Caps lock being used to emphasise the important point of the argument is childish?

Its using the functionality of the keyboard to make clear the important part of discussion. No different to changing tone and cadence in conversation to do the same.

Replying to a counter-point with 'CAPS LOCK' is childish. Absolutely.

Mitch Connor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Rage? Grow up. Learn to hold a conversation and an argument.

"GROW UP" - Would have been more effective I'd say in your case

The hypocrisy of asking me to grow up

Mitch Connor

Deleted User wrote: »

CAPS LOCKS

Yea where did I say RIGHT NOW

Here:

"The concept of taking away the services for a game a football I don't understand right now"

Mitch Connor

Deleted User wrote: »

"GROW UP" - Would have been more effective I'd say in your case

The hypocrisy of asking me to grow up

You're the one that couldn't come up with a counter argument and just went for a childish thanks whoring dig.

Suggest you take a walk

Looks like you need it with that type of internet anger

Outraged over nothing

Not responding to you again for the sake of the thread.

RasTa

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Are you kidding me?

Caps lock being used to emphasise the important point of the argument is childish?

Its using the functionality of the keyboard to make clear the important part of discussion. No different to changing tone and cadence in conversation to do the same.

Replying to a counter-point with 'CAPS LOCK' is childish. Absolutely.

Yes, I've never seen anybody in work sending emails with parts in caps.

It isn't needed

Mitch Connor

RasTa wrote: »

Yes, I've never seen anybody in work sending emails with parts in caps.

It isn't needed

I've never seen a work email with a meme or a gif. this isn't work email. the conventions are different.

MD1990

Mitch Connor wrote: »

You're the one that couldn't come up with a counter argument and just went for a childish thanks whoring dig.

everyone bar a few can see him for what he is.

niallo27

Deleted User wrote: »

CAPS LOCKS

Yea where did I say RIGHT NOW

Well if its not right now then when do you mean, we are talking about when certain restrictions are relaxed.

MD1990

Deleted User wrote: »

"GROW UP" - Would have been more effective I'd say in your case

The hypocrisy of asking me to grow up

Deleted User wrote: »

Suggest you take a walk

Looks like you need it with that type of internet anger

Outraged over nothing

Not responding to you again for the sake of the thread.

your the one who sounds upset lol

niallo27

RasTa wrote: »

Yes, I've never seen anybody in work sending emails with parts in caps.

It isn't needed

You must work in a very pleasant and happy place.

RasTa

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I've never seen a work email with a meme or a gif. this isn't work email. the conventions are different.

as I said it's childish and not needed, especially if you're trying to create a serious discussion.

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

Well if its not right now then when do you mean, we are talking about when certain restrictions are relaxed.

Personally I don't see it in any form of "relaxed" state

Whatever that means