General Premier League Thread 2019-20

Cantona's Collars

gimli2112 wrote: »

Keane is refreshingly honest but I disagree with him on this point, it kind of feels personal. They're a great side whether they have longetivity is another thing.

That debate has been held with so many former players etc about what makes a great team. How many titles are needed etc to be classed as great? It's all subjective,had a pundit from an Italian/German whatever team said the same would people get wound up about it?
Even Blackburn won one league but aren't a great team.

gimli2112

It's just if you look at their record not just this year but the past two years and bearing in mind they got to a CL final 2 and a half years ago and a Europa a year before that. The Leeds side of the 70s is considered a great team but won comparatively little. People trying to tell themselves this Liverpool team isn't great are seeking solace for what's happening, in my opinion.

theoneeyedman

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

He's such a poor pundit, no insight, just joe.ie soundbites

A pure troll, would fit in around here at times.

Really hate the BS that surrounds the Liverpool/United games, normally sane lads {supporting both sides) become A55holes for a week.

gimli2112

theoneeyedman wrote: »

A pure troll, would fit in around here at times.

Really hate the BS that surrounds the Liverpool/United games, normally sane lads {supporting both sides) become A55holes for a week.

We're a55holes all year round

In other news Leicester are winning. I have Vardy as captain in my FF team and he's hardly touched the ball.

Mr.Nice Guy

Many fans on here don't like to hear it but this is an abysmal league. You judge greatness by the competition available. Ali is considered the greatest because of his bouts with the likes of Foreman and Frazier, not because he fought bums. Federer the greatest because of clashes with Nadal and Djokovic, not because he beat poor players.

Ask yourselves dispassionately - impossible on this forum I know - if the Chelsea, Arsenal, Man United, Man City or Tottenham sides of this season are great sides, or in the top tier of their sides historically? When you're ready to answer that question, without resorting to barbs and hissy fits, then you have your answer.

gimli2112

but you can say that about any era. Liverpool's rivals in the early 80s were Ipswich and Watford, although that Ipswich side was awesome. United had a free run Arsenal aside for many years.
I think the likes of Chelsea, City and Utd with their purchasing power won't go away. Chelsea are hamstrung this year and Utd are in the doldrums but 18 moths ago this City side was the greatest of all time, until now.

gimli2112

ok I'm off to drink some cider and play some COD when I'm back I'll be full of s***

Cantona's Collars

gimli2112 wrote: »

We're a55holes all year round

In other news Leicester are winning. I have Vardy as captain in my FF team and he's hardly touched the ball.

FF can go fcuk itself this week.....yep, I'm having a horrible week.
The best thing about that forum is there's no BS team bias and if anyone starts it they get pulled into line very quickly without the mods even having to intervene.

ERG89

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Ask yourselves dispassionately - impossible on this forum I know - if the Chelsea, Arsenal, Man United, Man City or Tottenham sides of this season are great sides, or in the top tier of their sides historically? When you're ready to answer that question, without resorting to barbs and hissy fits, then you have your answer.

How many of those sides all peaked simultaneously??
Maybe 1 or 2 at most. 3 of them were in European finals last year too. I think one of them gets to a european final this year too.

It's not Liverpool's problem Arsenal & United have been in poor, likely you can blame the setup of the club being totally out of date when their long term managers left. Spurs didn't back Poch & now have someone in charge who challenged their record signing, N'dombele to play through pain & his injury somehow got worse.
City the previous 2 seasons are easily their 2 best seasons in the clubs history at least.

Iused2likebusts

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Many fans on here don't like to hear it but this is an abysmal league. You judge greatness by the competition available. Ali is considered the greatest because of his bouts with the likes of Foreman and Frazier, not because he fought bums. Federer the greatest because of clashes with Nadal and Djokovic, not because he beat poor players.

Ask yourselves dispassionately - impossible on this forum I know - if the Chelsea, Arsenal, Man United, Man City or Tottenham sides of this season are great sides, or in the top tier of their sides historically? When you're ready to answer that question, without resorting to barbs and hissy fits, then you have your answer.

The fact that Liverpool have 61 pts as opposed to be leading the league on something like 48 points makes a big difference.

Iused2likebusts

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

FF can go fcuk itself this week.....yep, I'm having a horrible week.
The best thing about that forum is there's no BS team bias and if anyone starts it they get pulled into line very quickly without the mods even having to intervene.

Best place on boards by a long way.

Corholio

theoneeyedman wrote: »

A pure troll, would fit in around here at times.

Really hate the BS that surrounds the Liverpool/United games, normally sane lads {supporting both sides) become A55holes for a week.

Not just the games either really. That BS is all year round. Usually the people who are supposedly 'pissed off' by it from both sides are the ones who are happily knee deep in it.

eigrod

Corholio wrote: »

Usually the people who are supposedly 'pissed off' by it from both sides are the ones who are happily knee deep in it.

Early contender for post of the decade.

Cantona's Collars

Burnley equaliser against Leicester. 1-1.

Jurgen The German

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Many fans on here don't like to hear it but this is an abysmal league. You judge greatness by the competition available. Ali is considered the greatest because of his bouts with the likes of Foreman and Frazier, not because he fought bums. Federer the greatest because of clashes with Nadal and Djokovic, not because he beat poor players.

Ask yourselves dispassionately - impossible on this forum I know - if the Chelsea, Arsenal, Man United, Man City or Tottenham sides of this season are great sides, or in the top tier of their sides historically? When you're ready to answer that question, without resorting to barbs and hissy fits, then you have your answer.

Im far from a liverpool fan but that's doing them something of a disservice, you can only beat what's in front of you and they continue to do that. United had it fairly cushy until wenger came in and then the sugar daddy era that began with Roman, doesn't make any of the title wins any less impressive imo. The league has money in it now than ever and Klopp has spent relatively modestly but in the main has spent well. More than that though there has been consistent evolution and improvement. He realised the high energy press game wasnt possible for a full season so adapted it to suit the demands of the league. They have done better each year than the previous one and will likely win the league at a minimum this year and do so at a canter and if they continue as they have started they will do it with a record points total. You (not you specifically) can only tip ones hat to what Klopp has built.

The White Wolf

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Many fans on here don't like to hear it but this is an abysmal league. You judge greatness by the competition available. Ali is considered the greatest because of his bouts with the likes of Foreman and Frazier, not because he fought bums. Federer the greatest because of clashes with Nadal and Djokovic, not because he beat poor players.

Ask yourselves dispassionately - impossible on this forum I know - if the Chelsea, Arsenal, Man United, Man City or Tottenham sides of this season are great sides, or in the top tier of their sides historically? When you're ready to answer that question, without resorting to barbs and hissy fits, then you have your answer.

Cute.

Loafing Oaf

Leicester penalty saved

marklazarcovic

There was a pic during the week of the top 5 league tables combined showing the positions relative to points acquired,and the prem had most of the top 6 ..pool far ahead of everyone simply because they are doing something no team has ever done..the rest are doing ok, nothing special . Most leagues have been won with 80-90 points ..



If it were city blowing away the competition the conversation would not be about how crap the league is,it would be about how great city are..

Give the reds the credit they deserve for almost 2 seasons of intense consistency in the league.

8-10

marklazarcovic wrote: »

There was a pic during the week of the top 5 league tables combined showing the positions relative to points acquired,and the prem had most of the top 6 ..pool far ahead of everyone simply because they are doing something no team has ever done..the rest are doing ok, nothing special . Most leagues have been won with 80-90 points ..



If it were city blowing away the competition the conversation would not be about how crap the league is,it would be about how great city are..

Give the reds the credit they deserve for almost 2 seasons of intense consistency in the league.

It's not over yet. 11 more wins.

Loafing Oaf

Burnley 2-1 up. Is everyone conspiring to ensure Liverpool have the title won by St Patrick's Day? Watch United score an og and have a man sent off in the first ten minutes later on...

8-10

Come on Burnley!! Get in. Missed that Vardy missed a peno too.

10mins to hang on....

marklazarcovic

8-10 wrote: »

It's not over yet. 11 more wins.

Never claimed otherwise,nor will I.

Harry Palmr

Burnley go ahead, Leicester City form guide looking a bit ropey now as things stand, three wins in nine League games.

Martin Tyler AgueroooOO

Without Ndidi over the last while Leicester look like an average mid table club they are starting to look like a one man team. Very lucky they built up a good points total before he got injured.

niallo27

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Burnley 2-1 up. Is everyone conspiring to ensure Liverpool have the title won by St Patrick's Day? Watch United score an og and have a man sent off in the first ten minutes later on...

Leicester were never winning any title in fairness.

Loafing Oaf

niallo27 wrote: »

Leicester were never winning any title in fairness.

No, but if they had maintained something close to their early season form they might have delayed the inevitable a bit longer...

8-10

Well done Burnley. Nick Pope is a quality goalkeeper. Great save near the end plus the penalty save. Man of the match.

davycc

Great second half from Burnley they should have no relegation worries if they keep it up!!

8-10

Leicester can now only get 90pts. City 93.

LuckyLloyd

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Many fans on here don't like to hear it but this is an abysmal league. You judge greatness by the competition available. Ali is considered the greatest because of his bouts with the likes of Foreman and Frazier, not because he fought bums. Federer the greatest because of clashes with Nadal and Djokovic, not because he beat poor players.

Ask yourselves dispassionately - impossible on this forum I know - if the Chelsea, Arsenal, Man United, Man City or Tottenham sides of this season are great sides, or in the top tier of their sides historically? When you're ready to answer that question, without resorting to barbs and hissy fits, then you have your answer.

Man City are favourites for the European Cup
Spurs reached the final last May.
Both Spurs and Chelsea are also through to the knockout stages of the CL

You’re grossly exaggerating.

TitianGerm

Ole saying he's not expecting Rashford back in the next few weeks. That'll be a big loss.

Mr.Nice Guy

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Man City are favourites for the European Cup
Spurs reached the final last May.
Both Spurs and Chelsea are also through to the knockout stages of the CL

You’re grossly exaggerating.

City have never even been to a Champions League final so being favourites means about as much as England being favourites for the Euros. It's par for the course at this stage.

How well have Spurs and Chelsea done in the CL this campaign do you reckon?

You've deliberately avoided the point as we both know. How highly would you rate the rest of the top 6 sides compared to teams of yesteryear? Do you accept that part of true sporting greatness involves defeating elite competition?

8-10

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Man City are favourites for the European Cup
Spurs reached the final last May.
Both Spurs and Chelsea are also through to the knockout stages of the CL

You’re grossly exaggerating.

He's been doing this all season to play down how well Liverpool have been so far.

The main claim is that the French league is more competitive than the EPL

brianregan09

Can we got back to calling Rogers a fraud now

Mr.Nice Guy

8-10 wrote: »

He's been doing this all season to play down how well Liverpool have been so far.

The main claim is that the French league is more competitive than the EPL

No, the claim was that this season's was the least competitive of the top 5 leagues, which was said well before the gap was as wide as it is today. Do you dispute it?

And I've not played down how well they've done. No opposition fan has praised Liverpool's overall direction since 2018 more than me.

Comments like yours are simply designed to shut down debate which I made reference to earlier. Some can't judge these things dispassionately.

Dr. Bre

Feckin Burnley will never go down

TitianGerm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Feckin Burnley will never go down

They have some staying power in fairness to them!!

Guy:Incognito

Another var decision in liverpool's favour..............


Even Neville said that wasnt a foul

yourdeadwright

All the talk of Bissaka defending he'llcfeel like he's been on the Walsers for the last 90 minutes all over the shop

MD1990

Have to say Fred for Man Utd was superb.

Starting to look a quality player tbf.

citytillidie

Match Day 23 Highlights
Watford V Spurs

Arsenal V Sheff United

Brighton V Villa

Man City V Palace

Norwich V Bournemouth

Southampton V Wolves

West Ham V Everton

Newcastle V Chelsea

Burnley V Leicester

Liverpool V Man Utd

citytillidie

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TitianGerm

Ole confirmed in the post match interview it's a stress fracture for Rashford. 6 weeks before he's back and then will need time to build up fitness after that.

Edit: Evra also says he's not working with the board right now when asked why United haven't signed another striker. Maybe he's in for the DOF role?

8-10

TitianGerm wrote: »

Ole confirmed in the post match interview it's a stress fracture for Rashford. 6 weeks before he's back and then will need time to build up fitness after that.

Edit: Evra also says he's not working with the board right now when asked why United haven't signed another striker. Maybe he's in for the DOF role?

They could recall Alexis Sanchez, he mentioned they might do something short term

gimli2112

TitianGerm wrote: »

Ole confirmed in the post match interview it's a stress fracture for Rashford. 6 weeks before he's back and then will need time to build up fitness after that.

You'd wonder when he said the day after the cup game, he wasn't sure, it was 50/50, he'll play through the pain, was he that desperate to get him on against us?
I actually thought it was mind games because him playing would have given them a lift but the way it turned out probably deflated them

TitianGerm

8-10 wrote: »

They could recall Alexis Sanchez, he mentioned they might do something short term

He's injured as well I think.

Agent Coulson

Loving Keane saying Ole is doing a good job and needs 2/3 more seasons and getting stubborn over it now with Carra.

gimli2112

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Loving Keane saying Ole is doing a good job and needs 2/3 more seasons and getting stubborn over it now with Carra.

yeah well you know what they say about opinions
no-one can argue Ole is the answer at Utd, it's beyond delusional
You can bookmark this

Ardent

Keane showing up Carragher on Sky Sports. Carragher spouting incoherent nonsense.

ricero

Ardent wrote: »

Keane showing up Carragher on Sky Sports. Carragher spouting incoherent nonsense.

LOL you got it the wrong way around there

Keano a top spoofer.