General Premier League Thread 2019-20

Harry Palmr

TitianGerm wrote: »

Hodgson had like a 40% win rate in the league with Liverpool. Is Ole worse than that?

68 34 15 19 50.0

If you exclude the games played when he was parachuted in (and that would be mean!) then you could be getting close to around 45%

Relegation battle, there is a four point gap to Burnley etc on 30 points so I'll leave them be for now

15 Brighton & Hove Albion 25 6 8 11 30 37 -7 26
16 AFC Bournemouth 25 7 5 13 25 38 -13 26
17 Aston Villa 25 7 4 14 32 47 -15 25
18 West Ham United 25 6 6 13 30 43 -13 24
19 Watford 25 5 8 12 23 39 -16 23
20 Norwich City 25 4 6 15 24 47 -23 18

Form guide


6 Aston Villa 6 3 1 2 8 11 3 2 0 1 4 7 3 1 1 1 4 4 -3 10
7 Watford 6 2 2 2 9 7 3 1 1 1 4 4 3 1 1 1 5 3 +2 8
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14 Brighton & … 6 1 3 2 8 9 3 1 2 0 4 2 3 0 1 2 4 7 -1 6
15 Burnley 6 2 0 4 5 9 3 1 0 2 3 5 3 1 0 2 2 4 -4 6
16 Norwich City 6 1 3 2 5 9 3 1 2 0 4 3 3 0 1 2 1 6 -4 6
17 Newcastle U… 6 1 3 2 5 10 3 1 1 1 1 3 3 0 2 1 4 7 -5 6
18 AFC Bournemouth 6 2 0 4 5 12 3 2 0 1 5 5 3 0 0 3 0 7 -7 6
19 Crystal Palace 6 0 4 2 5 8 3 0 1 2 1 4 3 0 3 0 4 4 -3 4
20 West Ham United 6 0 2 4 6 13 3 0 2 1 4 6 3 0 0 3 2 7 -7 2

TitianGerm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

68 34 15 19 50.0

If you exclude the games played when he was parachuted in (and that would be mean!) then you could be getting close to around 45%

Oles been in charge for 68 games? Or am I reading your table wrong?

Harry Palmr

TitianGerm wrote: »

Oles been in charge for 68 games? Or am I reading your table wrong?

That's all comps.

yourdeadwright

Ole gets a win every time the pressure mounts and then it goes away for 2 or 3 weeks and rinse and repeat,
There 6th but only 5 points ahead of Burnley in 14th,
The 6 points they got off Spurs and City in December have probably kept him in a job, They where huge wins for saving face for him

Guy:Incognito

TitianGerm wrote: »

Hodgson had like a 40% win rate in the league with Liverpool. Is Ole worse than that?

He has a 36% win rate this season anyway. (9 wins in 25)

Hodgson was in charge for 20 league games with Liverpool and had a 35% win rate (7 wins)

Incidentally, after 25 games that season, Liverpool had 35 points ( in 7th place, behind Sunderland, remember them ) , same as Utd this season.

Agent Coulson

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

He has a 36% win rate this season anyway. (9 wins in 25)

Hodgson was in charge for 20 league games with Liverpool and had a 35% win rate (7 wins)

Incidentally, after 25 games that season, Liverpool had 35 points ( in 7th place, behind Sunderland, remember them ) , same as Utd this season.

Don't let Sheff Utd see that.

j8wk2feszrnpao

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Nice new stadium on the waterfront

The right investment

Who knows what will happen

Not a spade in the dirt yet. Stadium expected to cost £500m; Spurs Stadium was meant to cost £400m. Expected to be done by 2023, wait till they start digs.
Dodgy naming rights deal that is to be investigated.
Posted over £100m loss recently.
Everton have failed to win any of the last 21 Merseyside derbies in all competitions. Their last win was at Goodison Park in October 2010. Last win at Anfield was Sept ‘99.

Everton could win at Goodison in March, but in the short/medium/long term, it ain’t a worry.

Shanotheslayer

As a person who loves stats, some of the stats Liverpool fans are coming out with is insane.

They're nothing stats. Everybody knows you're the best team right now. Nobody is denying it. More people are saying you're going to win the league( No fan is expecting you to crumble now)

Yet, you still post stats that nobody cares about. Most points in Jan? I don't recall this ever being a thing. It's been most points at end of season.

Everything has always been end of season. Yet proceed to throw it in everybody faces as if the fact the last 30 years didn't matter.

noodler

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

As a person who loves stats, some of the stats Liverpool fans are coming out with is insane.

They're nothing stats. Everybody knows you're the best team right now. Nobody is denying it. More people are saying you're going to win the league( No fan is expecting you to crumble now)

Yet, you still post stats that nobody cares about. Most points in Jan? I don't recall this ever being a thing. It's been most points at end of season.

Everything has always been end of season. Yet proceed to throw it in everybody faces as if the fact the last 30 years didn't matter.

Sad tbh.

And yes, the best start to a season was always a stat that mattered.

RugbyLover123

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

As a person who loves stats, some of the stats Liverpool fans are coming out with is insane.

They're nothing stats. Everybody knows you're the best team right now. Nobody is denying it. More people are saying you're going to win the league( No fan is expecting you to crumble now)

Yet, you still post stats that nobody cares about. Most points in Jan? I don't recall this ever being a thing. It's been most points at end of season.

Everything has always been end of season. Yet proceed to throw it in everybody faces as if the fact the last 30 years didn't matter.

People in general are becoming obsessed with Stats across all sports in recent years to be fair. Some absolutely pointless stats being spouted out by journos on various podcasts/shows/Twitter trying one up each other. Like does anyone really care that a certain player has scored on every day of the week for a team? No. Really is getting out of hand.

joe_99

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

As a person who loves stats, some of the stats Liverpool fans are coming out with is insane.

They're nothing stats. Everybody knows you're the best team right now. Nobody is denying it. More people are saying you're going to win the league( No fan is expecting you to crumble now)

Yet, you still post stats that nobody cares about. Most points in Jan? I don't recall this ever being a thing. It's been most points at end of season.

Everything has always been end of season. Yet proceed to throw it in everybody faces as if the fact the last 30 years didn't matter.

It's just a bit of craic. The league is done and dusted so people are just having a bit of fun with stats.

Let's discuss the league if you want. 24 wins and 1 draw out of 25 games. If City can go on a run and Liverpool lose 7 in a row the league is back on IMO.

Cork Boy 53

joe_99 wrote: »

It's just a bit of craic. The league is done and dusted so people are just having a bit of fun with stats.

Let's discuss the league if you want. 24 wins and 1 draw out of 25 games. If City can go on a run and Liverpool lose 7 in a row the league is back on IMO.

I don`t think you are being serious but in case you are then City have more or less thrown in the towel as far as winning the PL title is concerned and will just do enough to make sure they finish in the top 4. It`s all about focusing on the Champions League and to a lesser extent the FA and League Cups for them now.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

As a person who loves stats, some of the stats Liverpool fans are coming out with is insane.

They're nothing stats. Everybody knows you're the best team right now. Nobody is denying it. More people are saying you're going to win the league( No fan is expecting you to crumble now)

Yet, you still post stats that nobody cares about. Most points in Jan? I don't recall this ever being a thing. It's been most points at end of season.

Everything has always been end of season. Yet proceed to throw it in everybody faces as if the fact the last 30 years didn't matter.

You love stats, just not Liverpool stats.
Plenty care about the stats, you don’t. That’s not nobody.

ERG89

Baldock was blessed not to get a 2nd yellow, compared to Lerma's yellow.
Even Glenn Murray's equaliser was a bit iffy, seemed to hit his hand.

LuckyLloyd

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I would be very careful about lording it over the blue shirts in an area

These things come back to bite eventually

If Everton ever get bought by a bunch of despotic Middle Eastern owners with a wall of money and a ruthlessness proven by their brutalisation of an entire populace - I’ll be sure and take them seriously.

yourdeadwright

Ole post match interview on March of the day, Holy God he's out of the depth, "Where a good team because we kept a clean sheet against Wolves"
He's like David Brent

Shanotheslayer

munstermagic11 wrote: »

You love stats, just not Liverpool stats.
Plenty care about the stats, you don’t. That’s not nobody.

I'm glad you mentioned that. Because I can call you out on how much bullsh1t you just sprouted.

I have said multiple times this season that I believe Liverpool could go Invincible. And I've always been a fan of seeing records being broken in my time.

I think if Liverpool break the 100+ points barrier and go undefeated it would end the discussion of ' Whats better invincible or 100+ points)

Perhaps I'm naive in thinking but I want to tell my kids that I've witnessed greatnes be it Ronaldo. Messi City Liverpool Spain. I've seen unbelievable things achieved.

I just can't imagine sprouting something like " Most Points In January"

tanko

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Ole post match interview on March of the day, Holy God he's out of the depth, "Where a good team because we kept a clean sheet against Wolves"
He's like David Brent

Yeah "they showed wolves" how good they are, laughable stuff.
Then he started waffling on about the groundsman moving the bloody goalposts as the reason they didn't score. What a clown.
They wouldn't have scored if they were playing for a week.

Shanotheslayer

noodler wrote: »

Sad tbh.

And yes, the best start to a season was always a stat that mattered.

No it wasn't the stat that was always mentioned was ''Most wins in a row at the start of a season''

LuckyLloyd

73 points in January is magnificent. 100 of 102 points is magnificent. I understand Liverpool will need to break all the records to get people to shut up, so be it - but these markers are unprecedented nonetheless.

Shanotheslayer

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I understand Liverpool will need to break all the records to get people to shut up, so be it

What are you talking about.

charolais0153

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

73 points in January is magnificent. 100 of 102 points is magnificent. I understand Liverpool will need to break all the records to get people to shut up, so be it - but these markers are unprecedented nonetheless.

If they keep it up and theres every chance they will, be the best season ever conceived,
But the stats comparing to everton is a bit childish, everybody knows how good liverpool is

Shanotheslayer

charolais0153 wrote: »

If they keep it up and theres every chance they will, be the best season ever conceived,
But the stats comparing to everton is a bit childish, everybody knows how good liverpool is

As I've said before this season I have never heard of points carried over for stats. Unless it was wins in a row

windy shepard henderson

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

73 points in January is magnificent. 100 of 102 points is magnificent. I understand Liverpool will need to break all the records to get people to shut up, so be it - but these markers are unprecedented nonetheless.

I hate that ****e about bragging rights, in my opinion its only for people that are lifeless or don't follow the game but supportes a team

Arsenal fans for example still cling on to their invincibles team while winning something like 1 fa cup since

1o059k7ewrqj3n

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

As a person who loves stats, some of the stats Liverpool fans are coming out with is insane.

They're nothing stats. Everybody knows you're the best team right now. Nobody is denying it. More people are saying you're going to win the league( No fan is expecting you to crumble now)

Yet, you still post stats that nobody cares about. Most points in Jan? I don't recall this ever being a thing. It's been most points at end of season.

Everything has always been end of season. Yet proceed to throw it in everybody faces as if the fact the last 30 years didn't matter.

:pac:

You claim to love stats and yet the lie detector determined that was untrue.

They are amazing stats, Liverpool are phenomenal. How can someone look at what this team has done and say they are nothing stats? Even at this stage of the season?

I'm embarrassed for you tbh, and I say that as someone who has often read your posts and thought yeah fair/good assessment, spot on....but on this occasion, jinkies that is poor.

If any other team had this kind of lead at this point in the season most of the English football media and journos would be spurting all over the place.

You then go on to say that only that the end of the season matters....yet try and reference the last 30 years? Which is it? The past or the future?

Liverpool are something like 6 wins away from the title. In January.

It's insane.

Shanotheslayer

Steyr 556 wrote: »

:pac:

You claim to love stats and yet the lie detector determined that was untrue.

They are amazing stats, Liverpool are phenomenal. How can someone look at what this team has done and say they are nothing stats? Even at this stage of the season?

I'm embarrassed for you tbh, and I say that as someone who has often read your posts and thought yeah fair/good assessment, spot on....but on this occasion, jinkies that is poor.

If any other team had this kind of lead at this point in the season most of the English football media and journos would be spurting all over the place.

You then go on to say that only that the end of the season matters....yet try and reference the last 30 years? Which is it? The past or the future?

Liverpool are something like 6 wins away from the title. In January.

It's insane.

Apologies. I'll clarify clearer.

By nothing stats I mean " 92 points in X amount" since when is points carried across seasons count? I only ever recall unbeaten records count across seasons. I.e at home or whatever.

I don't recall any other season ever doing that?

I've said multiple times how impressive Liverpool stats are.

Yes the primary stats are the end of season stats? Most goals scored most goals conceded etca

j8wk2feszrnpao

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I just can't imagine sprouting something like " Most Points In January"

You just keep spouting again and again that you hate all these stats, but you love stats. Quit talking rubbish. If you hate all the talk, then why keep engaging in a topic you have so little interest in? You're acting like a little child.

windy shepard henderson

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munstermagic11 wrote: »

You just keep spouting again and again that you hate all these stats, but you love stats. Quit talking rubbish. If you hate all the talk, then why keep engaging in a topic you have so little interest in? You're acting like a little child.

Lads come on no one cares who has most points in January they are rubbish stats

JPA

Can I point out it's February...

j8wk2feszrnpao

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

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Lads come on no one cares who has most points in January they are rubbish stats

It's just a stat. You're not meant to care or not. Take it or leave it. But it's the Gen PL Thread, if it's a new record, it's a stat that will be covered.

Shanotheslayer

munstermagic11 wrote: »

You just keep spouting again and again that you hate all these stats, but you love stats. Quit talking rubbish. If you hate all the talk, then why keep engaging in a topic you have so little interest in? You're acting like a little child.

Good job on addressing the other points.

Not acting like a child at all. I never said I hate it? I said I found it irrelevant?

windy shepard henderson

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munstermagic11 wrote: »

It's just a stat. You're not meant to care or not. Take it or leave it. But it's the Gen PL Thread, if it's a new record, it's a stat that will be covered.

Why dose it mstter, it only counts if you're top in mid May waste if time using them in fairness

j8wk2feszrnpao

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

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Why dose it mstter, it only counts if you're top in mid May waste if time using them in fairness

Because many people have an interest in stats. Liverpool obtaining 100pts from the last 102pts on offer, winning 33 of their last 34 matches in the PL. It tells you more than just "top of the league".
And that's why mid-May isn't the only thing that counts, cause if this continues, they'll be top in mid-March and the league will be mathematically over.

windy shepard henderson

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Because many people have an interest in stats. Liverpool obtaining 100pts from the last 102pts on offer, winning 33 of their last 34 matches in the PL. It tells you more than just "top of the league".
And that's why mid-May isn't the only thing that counts, cause if this continues, they'll be top in mid-March and the league will be mathematically over.

Interest or not it does nothing to determine the outcome so a complete waste of time

j8wk2feszrnpao

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Interest or not it does nothing to determine the outcome so a complete waste of time

Nobody claimed it determines the outcome. You're missing the point.
Not a complete waste of time. Maybe to you, but not to many. Stats factor into the analysis of the outcome.
Anyone that has no interest, you don't have to participate in the discussion.

windy shepard henderson

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Nobody claimed it determines the outcome. You're missing the point.
Not a complete waste of time. Maybe to you, but not to many. Stats factor into the analysis of the outcome.
Anyone that has no interest, you don't have to participate in the discussion.

To be fair if it doesn't determine the outcome then what is the point, Newcastle were too in January and not in May back in the 90s so who gives a crap

Shanotheslayer

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Nobody claimed it determines the outcome. You're missing the point.
Not a complete waste of time. Maybe to you, but not to many. Stats factor into the analysis of the outcome.
Anyone that has no interest, you don't have to participate in the discussion.

To put it into perspective. The stat would be completely irrelevant if Liverpool somehow lost the league and flipped it on its head.

"imagine having 70+ points in Jan and not winning the league" Liverpool fans would argue the league isn't won then(which some are)

j8wk2feszrnpao

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

To be fair if it doesn't determine the outcome then what is the point, Newcastle were too in January and not in May back in the 90s so who gives a crap

You keep missing the point. If it's of no interest to you, fine. But it is to many others.
BTW the stat isn't that Newcastle were top, but that Liverpool are top by 22pts (19pts in Jan).
The fact that you are quoting a stat about Newcastle being top in Jan, shows that even you use a stat in a discussion. Which is the point about stats.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

To put it into perspective. The stat would be completely irrelevant if Liverpool somehow lost the league and flipped it on its head.

"imagine having 70+ points in Jan and not winning the league" Liverpool fans would argue the league isn't won then(which some are)

It's not just that they have 73pts, but the combination of a 19pts lead as well.
I think I saw that Man City had 67pts at the end of Jan in 2018. So if Liverpool just had a 6pt lead, it'd still be a race if City could have duplicated that this season.

windy shepard henderson

munstermagic11 wrote: »

You keep missing the point. If it's of no interest to you, fine. But it is to many others.
BTW the stat isn't that Newcastle were top, but that Liverpool are top by 22pts (19pts in Jan).
The fact that you are quoting a stat about Newcastle being top in Jan, shows that even you use a stat in a discussion. Which is the point about stats.

Again.. Who cares what difference does it make to the actual outcome

j8wk2feszrnpao

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Again.. Who cares what difference does it make to the actual outcome

Again, people other than you.

windy shepard henderson

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Again, people other than you.

Ie. Most sane people who couldn't give a ****e who is top in January

j8wk2feszrnpao

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Ie. Most sane people who couldn't give a ****e who is top in January

I reckon the fans of the team who is top in Jan give a ****e. And the fans that are top by 19pts really give a ****e :pac:

Must be a blast just looking at the table in mid-May, and not watching a single minute of football all season (cause it doesn't determine the outcome).

windy shepard henderson

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I reckon the fans of the team who is top in Jan give a ****e. And the fans that are top by 19pts really give a ****e :pac:

Must be a blast just looking at the table in mid-May, and not watching a single minute of football all season (cause it doesn't determine the outcome).

I am a Liverpool fan, i have had to listen to stupid stats about being top at January for years.... It counts for nothing

j8wk2feszrnpao

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

I am a Liverpool fan, i have had to listen to stupid stats about being top at January for years.... It counts for nothing

You think having 73pts, a 19pt lead, from a team that has amassed 24 wins from 25 games, unbeaten for over a year in the league, 100pts from their last 102 available ..... all counts for nothing? All that adds up to the league being over. This isn’t a close race. This is a truely dominate team that ain’t gonna drop enough pts, when City look like they’ll drop more as well.

I was cautious entering Dec, but we can enjoy this now. Klopp won’t rest on his laurels, but the fans can breathe easy and enjoy the run in.

windy shepard henderson

munstermagic11 wrote: »

You think having 73pts, a 19pt lead, from a team that has amassed 24 wins from 25 games, unbeaten for over a year in the league, 100pts from their last 102 available ..... all counts for nothing? All that adds up to the league being over. This isn’t a close race. This is a truely dominate team that ain’t gonna drop enough pts, when City look like they’ll drop more as well.

I was cautious entering Dec, but we can enjoy this now. Klopp won’t rest on his laurels, but the fans can breathe easy and enjoy the run in.

Of course it counts for nothing, unless you're top in May so what

Last year Liverpool finished on 98 points, enough to win several league titles... What good is it if its not good enough to win that league title

j8wk2feszrnpao

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Of course it counts for nothing, unless you're top in May so what

Last year Liverpool finished on 98 points, enough to win several league titles... What good is it if its not good enough to win that league title

This isn’t last year, that’s the point. Liverpool don’t have to be top in May, top in March and it’ll be over this year.

And a point about stats, is that they are correct, Liverpool had 97pts

Amassing 97pts showed just how good they were. Good enough to win the CL, go on and win the Euro Super Cup, win the Club World Cup, good enough to do what they are doing this year.

j8wk2feszrnpao

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Of course it counts for nothing, unless you're top in May so what

Last year Liverpool finished on 98 points, enough to win several league titles... What good is it if its not good enough to win that league title

This isn’t last year, that’s the point. Liverpool don’t have to be top in May, top in March and it’ll be over this year.

And a point about stats, is that they are correct, Liverpool had 97pts

Amassing 97pts showed just how good they were. Good enough to win the CL, go on and win the Euro Super Cup, win the Club World Cup, good enough to do what they are doing this year.

j8wk2feszrnpao

If City lose tomorrow, Liverpool have a 22pts lead, with 13 games left.
You think they’ll lose 8 of those games, with City winning out?
You mentioned “sane people” earlier on. Let’s have some sanity.

windy shepard henderson

munstermagic11 wrote: »

If City lose tomorrow, Liverpool have a 22pts lead, with 13 games left.
You think they’ll lose 8 of those games, with City winning out?
You mentioned “sane people” earlier on. Let’s have some sanity.

Why would it matter who is top 6 months before a prize is awarded it makes zero sense