General Premier League Thread 2019-20

eagle eye

If Vardy manages to be top scorer he will win the poty, if not then it should be between KDB, VVD, Mane and Salah.

TitianGerm

eagle eye wrote: »

If Vardy manages to be top scorer he will win the poty, if not then it should be between KDB, VVD, Mane and Salah.

Vardy hasn't scored since the City game on the 21st of December. He's going through a dry spell when most of the voting will take place.

BullBlackNova

eagle eye wrote: »

If Vardy manages to be top scorer he will win the poty, if not then it should be between KDB, VVD, Mane and Salah.

Vardy hasn't scored since before Christmas, has he?

He had a great spell before that to be fair but I wouldn't put him in the conversation - for me, it has to be Henderson, KDB or Mané.

8-10

eagle eye wrote: »

If Vardy manages to be top scorer he will win the poty, if not then it should be between KDB, VVD, Mane and Salah.

Trent Alexander-Arnold and Jordan Henderson should also be considered this season, both English as well which would help.

This is the first season Sterling hasn't been eligible for Young Player of the Year. Thought it was mad that he won last year - in his 8th Premier League season!

TitianGerm

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Vardy hasn't scored since before Christmas, has he?

He had a great spell before that to be fair but I wouldn't put him in the conversation - for me, it has to be Henderson, KDB or Mané.

Mane is probably out of it now as well after missing two weeks unless he scores a few in the next two or three games.

It's just the way the voting always seems to go. You've to be bang in form from January to March and everything before that is usually forgotten.

rob316

The media have picked Henderson, he's been brilliant and I wouldn't say he doesn't deserve it but VVD is the kingmaker of that team. Mane has been excellent also.

Van Dijk's performances have become the norm now so that's probably why he doesn't stand out.

YPOTY has to be Trent.

eagle eye

rob316 wrote:

The media have picked Henderson, he's been brilliant and I wouldn't say he doesn't deserve it but VVD is the kingmaker of that team. Mane has been excellent also.

This is why I didn't not see Henderson winning it. VVD, Mane and Salah are in the same team. So English player would be Vardy, if not English the KDB along with the three mentioned above are the contenders.
TAA certain to get ypoty.

rob316

eagle eye wrote: »

This is why I didn't not see Henderson winning it. VVD, Mane and Salah are in the same team. So English player would be Vardy, if not English the KDB along with the three mentioned above are the contenders.
TAA certain to get ypoty.

Salah no chance he's a contender, its VVD, Mane or Henderson that's it.

TitianGerm

rob316 wrote: »

Salah no chance he's a contender, its VVD, Mane or Henderson that's it.

It's mad like. Salah has scored more than Mane but because he was so good in his first season people just don't think he's doing as well as other players now.

rob316

Take all the english sentimentality and most improved player out of it and its VVD again by a good distance. His level of consistency and performances are ridiculous.

MD1990

TitianGerm wrote: »

It's mad like. Salah has scored more than Mane but because he was so good in his first season people just don't think he's doing as well as other players now.

Not all about stats.

Mane is a better player than Salah.

8-10

TitianGerm wrote: »

It's mad like. Salah has scored more than Mane but because he was so good in his first season people just don't think he's doing as well as other players now.

I think Salah's 'winning goals' stat is impressive and this is where a player like Vardy or Ings falls down. Yes they scored a good few, but very few of them were winning efforts.

Most winning goals scored this season so far:

Salah - 7
Firmino - 6
Rashford - 5
Wood, Jesus, Kane, Jimenez, Abraham, Mane, Richarlison - 4

Vardy & Ings - 2

TitianGerm

8-10 wrote: »

I think Salah's 'winning goals' stat is impressive and this is where a player like Vardy or Ings falls down. Yes they scored a good few, but very few of them were winning efforts.

Most winning goals scored this season so far:

Salah - 7
Firmino - 6
Rashford - 5
Wood, Jesus, Kane, Jimenez, Abraham, Mane, Richarlison - 4

Vardy & Ings - 2

I was actually going to mention that stat. Shows that he's won us points plenty of times this season, even more than Mane.
There's usually two players marking Salah as well so it shifts the defensive line over more which in turn gives Mane more space on his side to exploit. We see this loads with Salah laying the ball back to TAA who then switches the wings and Mane/Robertson can drive into that space.

rob316

TitianGerm wrote: »

It's mad like. Salah has scored more than Mane but because he was so good in his first season people just don't think he's doing as well as other players now.

He's very frustrating to watch, he works hard, scores goals but his general attacking playing isn't as good as Mane.

TitianGerm

rob316 wrote: »

He's very frustrating to watch, he works hard, scores goals but his general attacking playing isn't as good as Mane.

She my post above to 8-10. He's double marked a lot more than Mane so isn't given as much space but this then helps the team.

Edit: look at the amount of times in a game where Salah receives the ball when he's standing still, he seems to be given the ball with his back to goal a lot more often this season. Mane on the other hand seems to be played in behind the opposition a lot more often.

inforfun

FitzShane wrote: »

I like that table as it is easier to see what teams are battling who for certain positions or relegation, European battles etc because they are grouped together.

Yep... till i saw that list i hadnt really noticed that Sheffield Utd is actually battling for a CL spot.

8-10

rob316 wrote: »

Take all the english sentimentality and most improved player out of it and its VVD again by a good distance. His level of consistency and performances are ridiculous.

Yeah I agree with this. VVD barely didn't win the Ballon d'Or last year and was POTY. There's no way his level has dropped off, if anything he's been much better and scored as many goals this season already as in the whole of last season (4), of which 2 were game-winners (0 last season).

Liverpool conceded 22 goals last season, currently on 15 conceded this season with 12 games left so it's similar. Less clean sheets for him alright but since Alisson and Gomez came back it's been ridiculous. Only 1 goal conceded since December 4th in the league.

Games & Goals conceded, last 11 games in the league:

Bournemouth - 0
Watford - 0
Leicester - 0
Wolves - 0
Sheffield United - 0
Tottenham - 0
Man United - 0
Wolves - 1
West Ham - 0
Southampton - 0
Norwich - 0

Elite stuff.

eagle eye

rob316 wrote:

Salah no chance he's a contender, its VVD, Mane or Henderson that's it.

He could be top scorer in three games time. What will you say then

MD1990 wrote:

Mane is a better player than Salah.

I think I'm in agreement with this but stats do count big in this social media age.

TitianGerm

eagle eye wrote: »

He could be top scorer in three games time. What will you say then


I think I'm in agreement with this but stats do count big in this social media age.

I don't think Mane is a better player than Salah but I do prefer him to Salah.

Martin Tyler AgueroooOO

I would say Mane and Salah are pretty even talent wise and consistency wise and selfishness wise and are good mirrors of each other on either wing. I do think neither would be as productive if they didn't have Firmino doing so much graft for them while he add his Brazilian flair to the mix.

LuckyLloyd

brinty wrote: »

No one cares for this bull

Oh you care very much!

Harry Palmr

TitianGerm wrote: »

Vardy hasn't scored since the City game on the 21st of December. He's going through a dry spell when most of the voting will take place.

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Vardy hasn't scored since before Christmas, has he?

He had a great spell before that to be fair but I wouldn't put him in the conversation - for me, it has to be Henderson, KDB or Mané.

As someone pointed out to me when lauding his goal tally, he bagged 5 goals against Newcastle and Soton who were down to 10 men. Take those out and his tally is perfectly decent at 12 (due to points won by those goals) but that's all.

yourdeadwright

Martin Tyler AgueroooOO wrote: »

I would say Mane and Salah are pretty even talent wise and consistency wise and selfishness wise and are good mirrors of each other on either wing. I do think neither would be as productive if they didn't have Firmino doing so much graft for them while he add his Brazilian flair to the mix.

I think its pretty obvious all 3 compliment each other
If any of them where to leave i reckon they would be worse than they are at Liverpool ,
Both fantastic players and glad to have them both ,

Salah gets a bit of slack because his first season he was hitting Messi like numbers , He is still bloody brilliant

Skylinehead

brinty wrote: »

No one cares for this bull

It's very useful, and if your club was the one at the top, I guarantee that you wouldn't be complaining about it. Please stop assuming what the users of this forum do or do not want.

It's not as if citytillidie just posts this stuff for Liverpool reasons, he's been doing it and fixture lists for years. Much more of a contribution than what you just posted.

yourdeadwright

I see Evra is taking plaudits for Brandon Williams saying he convinced Ole to play him

Sounds a but undermining former player who doesn't have a roll In the club convincing you to start someone ,

brinty

Champions for the last 30 years

2018/2019 Man City 
2017/2018 Man City
2016/2017 Chelsea
2015/2016 Man City
2014/2015 Leicster City 
2013/2014 Chelsea
2012/2013 Manchester United
2011/2012 Man City
2010/2011 Manchester United
2009/2010 Chelsea
2008/2009 Manchester United
2007/2008 Manchester United
2006/2007 Manchester United
2005/2006 Chelsea
2004/2005 Chelsea
2003/2004 Arsenal
2002/2003 Manchester United
2001/2002 Arsenal
2000/2001 Manchester United 
1999/2000 Manchester United
1998/1999 Manchester United - First team to ever win the treble
1997/1998 Arsenal 
1996/1997 Manchester United
1995/1996 Manchester United
1994/1995 Blackburn Rovers 
1993/1994 Manchester United
1992/1993 Manchester United - First winners of the Premier League
1991/1992 Leeds - Last winners of the old division one 
1990/1991 Arsenal 

bucketybuck

Thats just begging to be updated at the end of the season.

Baggly

What a stunning display of pique.

brinty

brinty wrote: »

Champions for the last 30 years

2018/2019 Man City 
2017/2018 Man City
2016/2017 Chelsea
2015/2016 Man City
2014/2015 Leicster City 
2013/2014 Chelsea
2012/2013 Manchester United
2011/2012 Man City
2010/2011 Manchester United
2009/2010 Chelsea
2008/2009 Manchester United
2007/2008 Manchester United
2006/2007 Manchester United
2005/2006 Chelsea
2004/2005 Chelsea
2003/2004 Arsenal
2002/2003 Manchester United
2001/2002 Arsenal
2000/2001 Manchester United 
1999/2000 Manchester United
1998/1999 Manchester United - First team to ever win the treble
1997/1998 Arsenal 
1996/1997 Manchester United
1995/1996 Manchester United
1994/1995 Blackburn Rovers 
1993/1994 Manchester United
1992/1993 Manchester United - First winners of the Premier League
1991/1992 Leeds - Last winners of the old division one 
1990/1991 Arsenal 

Living in history much

Shanotheslayer

Hopefully Brinty keeps this up for the next few years.

Perhaps best to update at the start of the new PL thread going forward.

Great post. Good to see you take ownership of it.

You could even do a CL one as well in that thread?

yourdeadwright

Something that never really spoken about is how Salah's numbers have lowered as Trent form has risen , Infact he hasn't assisted Salah this season,

He rarely goes beyond Salah, On the other Mane and Robbo play far more one twos and Robbo gets beyond Mane and it varies there attack more ,

Trent tends to stayed 5 or 10 yards behind Salah most of the time to get balls back to whip in for Mane and Bobby ,its becoming a bit predictable on that side and you'll notice Salah isn't getting into the box as much as Mane as a direct repercussion of what Trent is doing ,

Trent really has 3 go to balls , long to Mo between him and the side line , switch to Robbo and whipping it into the box, Hes young and possible all the hype over Christmas period has him looking for every ball to be killer pass, he needs to get back to short quick passing and taking the killer pass when play opens up instead of looking for it all the time ,

Just something iv noticed lately ,

ShamoBuc

brinty wrote: »

Champions for the last 30 years

2018/2019 Man City 
2017/2018 Man City
2016/2017 Chelsea
2015/2016 Man City
2014/2015 Leicster City 
2013/2014 Chelsea
2012/2013 Manchester United
2011/2012 Man City
2010/2011 Manchester United
2009/2010 Chelsea
2008/2009 Manchester United
2007/2008 Manchester United
2006/2007 Manchester United
2005/2006 Chelsea
2004/2005 Chelsea
2003/2004 Arsenal
2002/2003 Manchester United
2001/2002 Arsenal
2000/2001 Manchester United 
1999/2000 Manchester United
1998/1999 Manchester United - First team to ever win the treble
1997/1998 Arsenal 
1996/1997 Manchester United
1995/1996 Manchester United
1994/1995 Blackburn Rovers 
1993/1994 Manchester United
1992/1993 Manchester United - First winners of the Premier League
1991/1992 Leeds - Last winners of the old division one 
1990/1991 Arsenal 

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Cant wait to see it updated with Liverpool F.C. at the very top -great idea

TitianGerm

ShamoBuc wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Cant wait to see it updated with Liverpool F.C. at the very top -great idea

Mad to think it'll be 8 years since United were PL winners now after this year. I knew they'd struggle without Ferguson but I never thought it'd get to this level.

Fair play to Brinty for highlighting it.

adaminho

brinty wrote: »

Champions for the last 30 years

2018/2019 Man City 
2017/2018 Man City
2016/2017 Chelsea
2015/2016 Man City
2014/2015 Leicster City 
2013/2014 Chelsea
2012/2013 Manchester United
2011/2012 Man City
2010/2011 Manchester United
2009/2010 Chelsea
2008/2009 Manchester United
2007/2008 Manchester United
2006/2007 Manchester United
2005/2006 Chelsea
2004/2005 Chelsea
2003/2004 Arsenal
2002/2003 Manchester United
2001/2002 Arsenal
2000/2001 Manchester United 
1999/2000 Manchester United
1998/1999 Manchester United - First team to ever win the treble
1997/1998 Arsenal 
1996/1997 Manchester United
1995/1996 Manchester United
1994/1995 Blackburn Rovers 
1993/1994 Manchester United
1992/1993 Manchester United - First winners of the Premier League
1991/1992 Leeds - Last winners of the old division one 
1990/1991 Arsenal 

Maybe we can get Orange2 to do a women's version?

x43r0

brinty wrote: »

Champions for the last 30 years

2018/2019 Man City 
2017/2018 Man City
2016/2017 Chelsea
2015/2016 Man City
2014/2015 Leicster City 
2013/2014 Chelsea
2012/2013 Manchester United
2011/2012 Man City
2010/2011 Manchester United
2009/2010 Chelsea
2008/2009 Manchester United
2007/2008 Manchester United
2006/2007 Manchester United
2005/2006 Chelsea
2004/2005 Chelsea
2003/2004 Arsenal
2002/2003 Manchester United
2001/2002 Arsenal
2000/2001 Manchester United 
1999/2000 Manchester United
1998/1999 Manchester United - First team to ever win the treble
1997/1998 Arsenal 
1996/1997 Manchester United
1995/1996 Manchester United
1994/1995 Blackburn Rovers 
1993/1994 Manchester United
1992/1993 Manchester United - First winners of the Premier League
1991/1992 Leeds - Last winners of the old division one 
1990/1991 Arsenal 

Wow

Y'know, if you'd left out the bold formatting and little notes, this could be chalked up to standard tribalism but you are actually having a total meltdown :pac:

Please, keep it coming

sabat

TitianGerm wrote: »

Mad to think it'll be 8 years since United were PL winners now after this year. I knew they'd struggle without Ferguson but I never thought it'd get to this level.

Fair play to Brinty for highlighting it.

And all indications are that it will be at least 10 years, maybe even 20+ depending on how ignominiously the Glazer sh1tshow falls apart.

8-10

brinty wrote: »

Champions for the last 30 years

2018/2019 Man City 
2017/2018 Man City
2016/2017 Chelsea
2015/2016 Man City
2014/2015 Leicster City 
2013/2014 Chelsea
2012/2013 Manchester United
2011/2012 Man City
2010/2011 Manchester United
2009/2010 Chelsea
2008/2009 Manchester United
2007/2008 Manchester United
2006/2007 Manchester United
2005/2006 Chelsea
2004/2005 Chelsea
2003/2004 Arsenal
2002/2003 Manchester United
2001/2002 Arsenal
2000/2001 Manchester United 
1999/2000 Manchester United
1998/1999 Manchester United - First team to ever win the treble
1997/1998 Arsenal 
1996/1997 Manchester United
1995/1996 Manchester United
1994/1995 Blackburn Rovers 
1993/1994 Manchester United
1992/1993 Manchester United - First winners of the Premier League
1991/1992 Leeds - Last winners of the old division one 
1990/1991 Arsenal 

There's only 29 entries on that list.

You're missing the Champions from May 1990.....?

giveitholly

8-10 wrote: »

There's only 29 entries on that list.

You're missing the Champions from May 1990.....?

Do'h

Shanotheslayer

Can it go as far back as the 80s so Everton are on it as well please.

I'd suggest the below at this stage....

giveitholly

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Can it go as far back as the 80s so Everton are on it as well please.

But sure soccer only invented in 1992!!

citytillidie

8-10 wrote: »

There's only 29 entries on that list.

You're missing the Champions from May 1990.....?

Sure its not even correct from the 2013-14 season to the 2016-17 season correction below

2015-16 - Leicester
2014-15 - Chelsea
2013-14 - Man City

giveitholly

That's why the tables should be left to citytillidie around here

MD1990

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Something that never really spoken about is how Salah's numbers have lowered as Trent form has risen , Infact he hasn't assisted Salah this season,

He rarely goes beyond Salah, On the other Mane and Robbo play far more one twos and Robbo gets beyond Mane and it varies there attack more ,

Trent tends to stayed 5 or 10 yards behind Salah most of the time to get balls back to whip in for Mane and Bobby ,its becoming a bit predictable on that side and you'll notice Salah isn't getting into the box as much as Mane as a direct repercussion of what Trent is doing ,

Trent really has 3 go to balls , long to Mo between him and the side line , switch to Robbo and whipping it into the box, Hes young and possible all the hype over Christmas period has him looking for every ball to be killer pass, he needs to get back to short quick passing and taking the killer pass when play opens up instead of looking for it all the time ,

Just something iv noticed lately ,

Yea the amount of balls Salah has to chase at times is unfair.
CB can just read it & go over to cover.

Fitz*

Well that did not to go as he has planned!

dr.kenneth noisewater

anyone know when the April fixtures details are being released?

8-10

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

anyone know when the April fixtures details are being released?

Supposed to be today:

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1242110

Nobody on twitter seems to know yet. You waiting to book flights?

dr.kenneth noisewater

8-10 wrote:

Nobody on twitter seems to know yet. You waiting to book flights?

Yep

citytillidie

Winter yellow ball is finished for the season, the PL are bringing in a new 3rd ball for the final few months of the season



https://www.premierleague.com/news/1615163

TitianGerm

citytillidie wrote: »

Winter yellow ball is finished for the season, the PL are bringing in a new 3rd ball for the final few months of the season



https://www.premierleague.com/news/1615163

Actually just on that Ole said in an interview after the game that the ball last night made the game difficult. Shows how the players can actually get used to one type over another.

Edit:

https://talksport.com/football/672290/ole-gunnar-solskjaer-ball-manchester-united-club-brugge/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=talksportfacebook&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1582238181