General Premier League Thread 2019-20

citytillidie

So it was not a handball against man city but it was for them lol and its LiVARpool

eigrod

VAR being really kind to City again but again they fail to take advantage

Speak Now

Looks like only a matter of time before City score but we've seen it so many times this season end differently!

Corholio

Both are probably penalties but Praet's is way more blatant, VAR got that one right.

TitianGerm

I don't know how they gave a penalty for that one but didn't for KDB hand ball.

Varchester City here.

gimli2112

TitianGerm wrote: »

He absolutely pole axed him!!

this one wasn't ever a free, ah the 80s

ShamoBuc

Kinda hope Leicester nick one.

KaiserGunner

That VAR official is having an absolute mare today. Some shocking no calls in both the matches he has been on today.

Harry Palmr

Mendy looks like a middle weight on steroids and speed

Leicester are far too freestyle, I can't see any actual strategy or even much in the way of tactics.

Vardy is having a poor game in possession.

Oranage2

Nice goal by the champions, it was coming for a long time

noodler

KaiserGunner wrote: »

That VAR official is having an absolute mare today. Some shocking no calls in both the matches he has been on today.

Wrong on the KDB handball.

Right on the Praet handball.

Right on the no offside for Jesus goal.

KaiserGunner

noodler wrote: »

Wrong on the KDB handball.

Right on the Praet handball.

Right on the no offside for Jesus goal.

Yes he was wrong for the KDB handball and wrong on the Lo Celso red card in the earlier match. Two massive mistakes, sounds like having a mare to me.

I also posted that before the Jesus goal.

noodler

KaiserGunner wrote: »

Yes he was wrong for the KDB handball and wrong on the Lo Celso red card in the earlier match. Two massive mistakes, sounds like having a mare to me.

I also posted that before the Jesus goal.

Is it the same guy doing both games?

Surely not.

KaiserGunner

noodler wrote: »

Is it the same guy doing both games?

Surely not.

Yeah bizarrely it is.

TitianGerm

KaiserGunner wrote: »

Yes he was wrong for the KDB handball and wrong on the Lo Celso red card in the earlier match. Two massive mistakes, sounds like having a mare to me.

I also posted that before the Jesus goal.

Could have very easily been a penalty for Leicester on the Ederson challenge as well.

Agent Coulson

KaiserGunner wrote: »

Yeah bizarrely it is.

It can't be.


Edit: it is the same VAR ref.

Chelsea vs Spurs game officials.

Referee: Michael Oliver. Assistants: Stuart Burt, Simon Bennett. Fourth official: Kevin Friend. VAR: David Coote. Assistant VAR: Adam Nunn.

Leicester vs City officials.

Referee: Paul Tierney. Assistants: Gary Beswick, Constantine Hatzidakis. Fourth official: Jonathan Moss. VAR: David Coote. Assistant VAR: Sian Massey-Ellis.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1610927

noodler

TitianGerm wrote: »

Could have very easily been a penalty for Leicester on the Ederson challenge as well.

I looked that back five times.and still can't tell if ederson got a touch.

theoneeyedman

noodler wrote: »

I looked that back five times.and still can't tell if ederson got a touch.

Mr Coote needs to be given a few weeks in League 2 methinks.....

Fitz*

Mr Coote needs to get called out as the person responsible as making all these bad decisions, and not hiding behind the VAR moniker.

VAR is a massive cover up of bad refereeing, the referees are loving it.

8-10

Highest average TV audiences in Britain this season:

Liverpool - 1,662,801 viewers
Man United - 1,520,948
Tottenham - 1,286,847
Chelsea - 1,143,175
Manchester City - 1,136,054
Arsenal - 1,117,644

United knocked off top spot for the first time though this doesn't include Amazon Prime games and obviously the season isn't over yet.

Unsurprisingly the most watched single fixture was United v Liverpool

Shocking how low these figures are overall but that's satellite TV for you. Free to air games blow these figures out of the water

Agent Coulson

You would have to wonder would the BT package be worth to a free to air channel like ITV for advertising revenue they could draw from PL games. ITV could draw 10 million viewers.

j8wk2feszrnpao

8-10 wrote: »

Shocking how low these figures are overall but that's satellite TV for you. Free to air games blow these figures out of the water

Do they include people in bars?

I reckon satellite numbers much be falling (subscriptions). So many watch for free, and I know a good few that will just not pay and catchup later with highlights (as we all did at one stage).
If Amazon came onboard and offered Amazon PL Prime for €15 a month, SKY might as well close its doors.

theoneeyedman

Agent Coulson wrote: »

You would have to wonder would the BT package be worth to a free to air channel like ITV for advertising revenue they could draw from PL games. ITV could draw 10 million viewers.

I'd say those figures are EPL games on Sky?

Can't recall the figures, but I've seen numbers before of the BT Champions League coverage and they were pitifully small. Short sighted from UEFA I'd have thought, especially in big urban markets like there are in the UK to remove their product from the younger market in particular.

Perhaps they're relying on (dodgy) Iptv subs and platforms to spread their gospel?

SureYWouldntYa

munstermagic11 wrote: »

If Amazon came onboard and offered Amazon PL Prime for €15 a month, SKY might as well close its doors.

I know what you mean by this, but that's not how tv deals work with the PL. The broadcasters bid for certain packages atm, Sky and BT paid for x amount of games each, and Amazon bought the exclusive rights to 2 full matchdays

Tifo Football did a very good video on what the future might bring a couple weeks back

theoneeyedman

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

I know what you mean by this, but that's not how tv deals work with the PL. The broadcasters bid for certain packages atm, Sky and BT paid for x amount of games each, and Amazon bought the exclusive rights to 2 full matchdays

Tifo Football did a very good video on what the future might bring a couple weeks back

The EPL are talking about launching a Netflix type streaming service.... Might be part of a negotiating ploy to shake down the broadcast companies, but one would think they streaming will have a big part in the next deal.

Agent Coulson

theoneeyedman wrote: »

The EPL are talking about launching a Netflix type streaming service.... Might be part of a negotiating ploy to shake down the broadcast companies, but one would think they streaming will have a big part in the next deal.

Premflix is for the rest of the world outside of the UK.

They won't be offering that in the UK for a long time yet.

theoneeyedman

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Premflix is for the rest of the world outside of the UK.

They won't be offering that in the UK for a long time yet.

OK, why is that? Is the infrastructure not there, or is it a commercial decision?

Are we still bound in with the UK for these deals?

Agent Coulson

theoneeyedman wrote: »

OK, why is that? Is the infrastructure not there, or is it a commercial decision?

Are we still bound in with the UK for these deals?

Too much money still to be made from the current model.

Not sure if we are due to Brexit however i would guess we will always be stuck with the UK models going forward.

SureYWouldntYa

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Too much money still to be made from the current model

And thats why ill be sticking to my alternative method of watching football

If the legal route is reasonable people will do it, how many people are well able to torrent yet sub to Netflix because its so handy

I know how to get every episode of the Simpsons in about 6 clicks, but I was gonna pay the €7 a month to sub to Disney Plus because that’s reasonable and much handier than a torrent (until it now appears Simpsons wont be available here due to pre-existing deal with Sky)

j8wk2feszrnpao

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

I know what you mean by this, but that's not how tv deals work with the PL. The broadcasters bid for certain packages atm, Sky and BT paid for x amount of games each, and Amazon bought the exclusive rights to 2 full matchdays

Tifo Football did a very good video on what the future might bring a couple weeks back

I saw that a while back on Tifo Football, and that's why it might suit the PL to go with one Global provider and make an absolute fortune. Think Tifo Football calculated that it could go from the current ~£120m a year to each PL team, to ~£800m a year.
Isn't there some current law that prevents one provider from owning all deals, but with Brexit, who knows?
I just don't see how SKY/BT can keep paying huge money when many seem to be leaving the platform and settling for streams/highlights. At some point, going with Amazon might be the ideal situation for the PL.

eagle eye

I've always been on the Guardiola side in arguments about how good he is as a coach but his performance at City has been less than stellar it has to be said.
With the squad he has he should be at worst very close to Liverpool this season and two league titles in four seasons with that squad is not good enough. Winning the European Cup would save his season but I don't think they'll do that.

Harry Palmr

Just saw Tammy Abraham and his balls to the post moment, ouch!

Shanotheslayer

8-10 wrote: »

Shocking how low these figures are overall but that's satellite TV for you. Free to air games blow these figures out of the water

Low in comparision to what?

Oranage2

theoneeyedman wrote: »

OK, why is that? Is the infrastructure not there, or is it a commercial decision?

Are we still bound in with the UK for these deals?

I live outside the EU, the legal online streaming site costs me around 30euro a season and I can watch every prem game and most are in English, they have the technology but they're not gonna introduce it to the Irish and British market when people are paying 100s a month for sky and there is like 3-4 watchable games a week. Really is madness

gimli2112

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Low in comparision to what?

Free to air. There was some cricket on over the Summer, a world cup, England won and the women's football world cup had monster viewing figures in comparison. Now I'm all for equality but .....

8-10

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Low in comparision to what?

Free to air, I said it in my comment.

BBC showed Liverpool v Everton in the FA cup this season and got 3 times more viewers than any Sky or BT games in the league

Even Newport County v Leicester last season had over 5m viewers. More than any of the hyped up EPL games

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-city-appeal-against-european-21554811

"Man City appeal against European ban could leave Liverpool in dock over alleged hacking"

theoneeyedman

gimli2112 wrote: »

Free to air. There was some cricket on over the Summer, a world cup, England won and the women's football world cup had monster viewing figures in comparison. Now I'm all for equality but .....

That was the point u was trying to make earlier.

There are cricket players from 30/40 years ago that people would recognise immediately, the likes of David Gower, Ian Botham, etc. Who would Joe Soap recognise from the last 10 years apart from Freddy who was on Top Gear?
Even Rugby has rowed back on their model a bit, with a mix of FTA and paywall for the European Cup.
Ita strange UEFA don't try to force FTA into their packages.

j8wk2feszrnpao

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Who would Joe Soap recognise from the last 10 years apart from Freddy who was on Top Gear?

Ben Stokes won SPOTY.

PL is not going free to air. SKY have packed their coverage with ads to pay for the current deal, along with their subs, to make money from it.

8-10

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-city-appeal-against-european-21554811

"Man City appeal against European ban could leave Liverpool in dock over alleged hacking"

Whataboutary seems like their main defence right now alright

gimli2112

apparently the Liverpool scouts didn't hack Man City, they simply logged on with their old passwords
this looks like an attempt to make Liverpool have some skin in the game, it smacks of desperation

Oranage2

gimli2112 wrote: »

apparently the Liverpool scouts didn't hack Man City, they simply logged on with their old passwords
this looks like an attempt to make Liverpool have some skin in the game, it smacks of desperation

That doesn't make it right!

8-10

gimli2112 wrote: »

apparently the Liverpool scouts didn't hack Man City, they simply logged on with their old passwords
this looks like an attempt to make Liverpool have some skin in the game, it smacks of desperation

Regardless of whether that matter, which the FA and City considered closed based on a relatively small financial settlement, gets reopened, I fail to see any relevance or connection to City's FFP transgressions and UEFA ban.

It's just distraction tactics from City and the media are bought in because Liverpool get clicks.

Liverpool's scouts didn't force City to overspend or lie about it.

8-10

Oranage2 wrote: »

That doesn't make it right!

No...but it also doesn't make it related to their case

JPA

Why is there no 2pm game on Sky?

gimli2112

yeah I wasn't defending Liverpool, when you hire staff from City you need to train the skullduggery out of them

TitianGerm

JPA wrote: »

Why is there no 2pm game on Sky?

Think the United and Wolves games were first fixed for the Saturday but were moved because of the EL? I'd assume the live games had already been set by that stage?

Oranage2

Fred has really stepped up, he went from. One of the worst players ive seen to one of uniteds best players

Drumpot

Don’t be surprised if this is one of the last few EPL weekends for awhile . Once the Coronavirus is officially confirmed in uk we could see the rest of the season suspended.

gimli2112

just when we had the league won Utd create a plague in the UK by signing a player from China, typical