General Premier League Thread 2019-20

bangkok

8-10 wrote: »

Does top 4 matter to you that much if you win the EL?

Not really but it would be nice to finish season strongly

yourdeadwright

bangkok wrote: »

Not really but it would be nice to finish season strongly

Just curious would you be happy with 4th ?

Looking at the United squad in general would people say its better or worse than , Chelsea, Leicester ,Arsenal Spurs ?

Basically would 4th be a good achievement for Ole with that Squad ? Are they the 4th best squad In the league ?

bangkok

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Just curious would you be happy with 4th ?

Looking at the United squad in general would people say its better or worse than , Chelsea, Leicester ,Arsenal Spurs ?

Basically would 4th be a good achievement for Ole with that Squad ? Are they the 4th best squad In the league ?

This season yes next season no.

There are actual signs of real progression this season. Rashford has been a huge loss and we are still playing very well. Pogba has missed most of the season. All of oles signings have been very good and fernandes looks like a superstar already.

8-10

bangkok wrote: »

Not really but it would be nice to finish season strongly

Right, but win the EL I'd say you'd be happy with 7th!

It'd be 1st seed in the Champions League next season

yourdeadwright

bangkok wrote: »

This season yes next season no.

There are actual signs of real progression this season. Rashford has been a huge loss and we are still playing very well. Pogba has missed most of the season. All of oles signings have been very good and fernandes looks like a superstar already.

Obviously being a united fan you'd have better view than me,

My honest and non biased view is

From the outside Rashford looks to have taken a huge stride forward ,

Bruno looks like he is class player,

Maguire looks average but probably your best CB

Bissaka good defensively poor going forward , Next year
is huge for him if he doesn't improve attacking wise I can't see him lasting at United ,

James is not good enough be gone to someone like West ham by the end of next season or become a Linguard in terms of hope that never really comes through ,


Again that's from the outside,

LineOfBeauty

Man Utd's progress depends on expectations. If the expectation next season is for them to challenge for the league title then no, it's not happening under this regime. If the expectation is for Man Utd to try to challenge Chelsea/Spurs/Arsenal and cement themselves as the 3rd best team in the league then maybe that could happen.

yourdeadwright

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Man Utd's progress depends on expectations. If the expectation next season is for them to challenge for the league title then no, it's not happening under this regime. If the expectation is for Man Utd to try to challenge Chelsea/Spurs/Arsenal and cement themselves as the 3rd best team in the league then maybe that could happen.

Not being smart but surely with current squads United should already be competing with Chelsea/Spurs/Arsenal,

Ole has some big name player, De Gea, Maguire, AWB ,Pogba, Rashford , Martial , now Bruno ,

I know they have had injured but so have Spurs and Chelsea ,Arsenal squad is far worse than United ,

LineOfBeauty

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Not being smart but surely with current squads United should already be competing with Chelsea/Spurs/Arsenal,

Ole has some big name player, De Gea, Maguire, AWB ,Pogba, Rashford , Martial , now Bruno ,

I know they have had injured but so have Spurs and Chelsea ,Arsenal squad is far worse than United ,

They should and, by and large, they are, but right now Chelsea look like the best of the rest (with their own issues) and with the best capabilities to challenge the top two. For those with lower expectations Ole beating out Chelsea and finishing ahead of them might be considered progress. Personally I don't consider it such with the resources they have.

bangkok

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Not being smart but surely with current squads United should already be competing with Chelsea/Spurs/Arsenal,

Ole has some big name player, De Gea, Maguire, AWB ,Pogba, Rashford , Martial , now Bruno ,

I know they have had injured but so have Spurs and Chelsea ,Arsenal squad is far worse than United ,

We are only 3 off chelsea and are ahead of both arsenal and spurs. Arsenal are 10th in the league and got knocked outof the europa league by an average side

yourdeadwright

bangkok wrote: »

We are only 3 off chelsea and are ahead of both arsenal and spurs. Arsenal are 10th in the league and got knocked outof the europa league by an average side

I know but someone said the goal is to compete with them next season ,

Surely should be looking to be looking beyond them , As I always say teams are ever as far away from the top as they think ,

niallo27

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Not sure how you make that out ?

He literally saying racism effects the average black man/women in every day way more than a pro footballer , That Fa and government put money into stopping racism at games and think its resolving the problem when that doesn't change anything for the average person on the street ,

He had some very valid points ,

Did you hear him on about women linesman, he said if they make a mistake they are vilified because they are women not because of the mistake. This is simply not true if a linesman ****s up I'll abuse them the same man woman or child. I just found him very dismissive of anyone's opinion besides his own.

yourdeadwright

niallo27 wrote: »

Did you hear him on about women linesman, he said if they make a mistake they are vilified because they are women not because of the mistake. This is simply not true if a linesman ****s up I'll abuse them the same man woman or child. I just found him very dismissive of anyone's opinion besides his own.

Yes but your not (well I hope not) one of the idiots that will abuse her more because she's a women ,
The world we live in is full of idiots I'm afraid,

Geoff Shreve's was question's and points where crap because he has sky in his ear piece making sure he doesn't say anything out of turn or anything that come across as view on something

x43r0

Geoff Shreeves is a pointless figure

I can't believe he makes a living out of asking banal canned questions in post-match interviews

citytillidie

niallo27 wrote: »

Did you hear him on about women linesman, he said if they make a mistake they are vilified because they are women not because of the mistake. This is simply not true if a linesman ****s up I'll abuse them the same man woman or child. I just found him very dismissive of anyone's opinion besides his own.

Sian Massey-Ellis is one on the best if not the best ref assistants there is in England

bangkok

Great performance from utd tonight

giveitholly

bangkok wrote: »

Great performance from utd tonight

There is an fa cup thread to post in as well

jayo26

bangkok wrote: »

Great performance from utd tonight

You mean to post that a few days ago?? United ain't playing in premier league tonight.

bangkok

jayo26 wrote: »

You mean to post that a few days ago?? United ain't playing in premier league tonight.

Have you a link to the thread? Couldnt see one

y0ssar1an22

bangkok wrote: »

Great performance from utd tonight

good to see ighalo get the brace. close to the hatrick as well.

wonder who the 1st will be given to.

they've been keeping a good few clean sheets as well

bangkok

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

good to see ighalo get the brace. close to the hatrick as well.

wonder who the 1st will be given to.

they've been keeping a good few clean sheets as well

Shaw will keep it id say.

Yea lots of clean sheets and good to watch again

TitianGerm

bangkok wrote: »

Have you a link to the thread? Couldnt see one

It's the sixth thread down in the Soccer Forum.

theoneeyedman

Remarkably low key response to Eric Diers shenanigans last night.
FA have asked him for his observations, probably a small fine and perhaps a game or two suspended near the end of the season when it matters not a jot.

Strange coverage IMHO, if it was a supporter who came onto the field and tried to attack a player, they'd already be banned from football grounds (probably for life) - should it be that different if the shoe's on the other foot?

bangkok

Utd v city this weekend. Should be a cracker

bangkok

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Remarkably low key response to Eric Diers shenanigans last night.
FA have asked him for his observations, probably a small fine and perhaps a game or two suspended near the end of the season when it matters not a jot.

Strange coverage IMHO, if it was a supporter who came onto the field and tried to attack a player, they'd already be banned from football grounds (probably for life) - should it be that different if the shoe's on the other foot?

Hes an english player so they will look out for him.

Cantona was banned for 9 months for going into the crowd. Dier should get at least 6 months but never gonna happen

Quazzie

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Remarkably low key response to Eric Diers shenanigans last night.
FA have asked him for his observations, probably a small fine and perhaps a game or two suspended near the end of the season when it matters not a jot.

Strange coverage IMHO, if it was a supporter who came onto the field and tried to attack a player, they'd already be banned from football grounds (probably for life) - should it be that different if the shoe's on the other foot?

Spurs player- Yes
England player - Yes

The FA or the media are never going after him.

Baggly

bangkok wrote:

Cantona was banned for 9 months for going into the crowd. Dier should get at least 6 months but never gonna happen

Going into the crowd? What?

That's not what he did.

TitianGerm

bangkok wrote: »

Hes an english player so they will look out for him.

Cantona was banned for 9 months for going into the crowd. Dier should get at least 6 months but never gonna happen

In fairness Cantona went in with a flying kick.

bangkok

Baggly wrote: »

Going into the crowd? What?

That's not what he did.

Dier jumped 20 rows of seats and punched someone in the middle of the stand. He fully deserves 6 months

Agent Coulson

Jumping 20 rows of seats the lad should be head to the Olympics he would hands down win the long jump gold.

theoneeyedman

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Jumping 20 rows of seats the lad should be head to the Olympics he would hands down win the long jump gold.

More like the high hurdles than the long jump!

bangkok

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Jumping 20 rows of seats the lad should be head to the Olympics he would hands down win the long jump gold.

He'd also win the grand national

bangkok

Being serious though, he def should face a minimum 3month ban. Was a crazy thing he did and you cant attack a fan in the crowd

y0ssar1an22

bangkok wrote: »

Being serious though, he def should face a minimum 3month ban. Was a crazy thing he did and you cant attack a fan in the crowd

did he throw a punch? if so, a lengthy ban is in order.

wa cantona provoked?

and evra got a fair hammering as well

y0ssar1an22

bangkok wrote: »

Utd v city this weekend. Should be a cracker

hopefully a high scoring cracker

Baggly

bangkok wrote:

Dier jumped 20 rows of seats and punched someone in the middle of the stand. He fully deserves 6 months

I was referring to Cantona...

bangkok wrote:

Being serious though, he def should face a minimum 3month ban. Was a crazy thing he did and you cant attack a fan in the crowd

Yeah stupid move. 3 months would seem fair to me.

Agent Coulson

He should get a ban till the end of the season.

Cork Boy 53

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He should get a ban till the end of the season.

And a community service order to teach football to north London kids. Just like another Eric I seem to remember.

Dr. Bre

I doubt Dier would be a loss to spurs for a few months

Fitz*

Did Dier actually attack a fan? Or just go into the crowd and remonstrate with a fan who was abusing his brother (or teammates)?

If it was alleged racial abuse of his teammate, then I fully support what Dier did.

How did Dier hear what was going on from so far away in a packed stadium? Whatever caused the fight, be it racism or just general eejitry, how could Dier of known until after he got up there? I don't see anyone wearing white sheets from head to toe in those clips, or any other visual sign that Dier could have made out from the pitch to know what was causing the commotion.

TitianGerm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How did Dier hear what was going on from so far away in a packed stadium? Whatever caused the fight, be it racism or just general eejitry, how could Dier of known until after he got up there? I don't see anyone wearing white sheets from head to toe in those clips, or any other visual sign that Dier could have made out from the pitch to know what was causing the commotion.

The guy he chased ran back up the stand apparently so I assume he was down the front row at first?

Fitz*

More abuse from fans to players, this happened last night. Doesn't look like Lingard responded.

https://twitter.com/United__Live/status/1235756315038887936?s=19

bangkok

FitzShane wrote: »

More abuse from fans to players, this happened last night. Doesn't look like Lingard responded.

https://twitter.com/United__Live/status/1235756315038887936?s=19

You would have to wonder what does be going through a lads head when he is screaming and shouting at a player like that. Prob loads of kids around as well waiting for a picture or autograph

bangkok

'Man Utd to investigate Lingard racist abuse'

http://www.skysports.com/share/11950825

Father Hernandez

bangkok wrote: »

Dier jumped 20 rows of seats and punched someone in the middle of the stand. He fully deserves 6 months

bangkok wrote: »

Being serious though, he def should face a minimum 3month ban. Was a crazy thing he did and you cant attack a fan in the crowd

He didn't attack anyone or throw any punches so stop the hyperbole.

Some 'fan' started dishing out abuse to Dier and his brother which footballers get on a daily/weekly basis and when Dier went and confronted him about it, the coward ran.

He'll get a fine/ban for the sole reason that he left the pitch area.

Personally, I say fair play to him.

inforfun

bangkok wrote: »

'Man Utd to investigate Lingard racist abuse'

http://www.skysports.com/share/11950825

Manchester United have launched an investigation into alleged foul-mouthed abuse aimed at Jesse Lingard following their 3-0 win at Derby on Thursday night.

United will seek to speak to Derby about the incident which happened as Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's squad made their way onto the team bus at Pride Park.

More to follow...

Where do you see "racist"?

I take it, this investigation is about that clip a few posts back.

inforfun

inforfun wrote: »

Where do you see "racist"?

I take it, this investigation is about that clip a few posts back.

Dammit...had a whole post up about racist abuse, which is a criminal matter, and abuse, which is simply someone being vulgar.

Took it down as assumed I missed some word or phrase in what Lingard got that took it into the former category...

bangkok

'Fernandes, Aubameyang nominated for February award'

http://www.skysports.com/share/11950755

Fernandes surely will win this

bangkok

inforfun wrote: »

Where do you see "racist"?

I take it, this investigation is about that clip a few posts back.

Sky obviously got it wrong and have since changed their headline

Iused2likebusts

The Dier incident is funny if it was scott mctominay or jordan henderson that did it. This thread would be non stop about it with varying opinions depending on which player did it.