RIC and DMP to be commemorated this month

McMurphy

Anyone like to guess what is the number one tune on iTunes and (I believe) Amazon too?

I believe Charlie and Leo have been given their answer as to what people really thought of their little stunt.

seamus

Gotta give Leo credit for clever trolling tbh, mainly because he's right.

The outrage over this does suggest that the recent talk of a United Ireland is premature and there's a lot of growing up still to be done.

Fann Linn

seamus wrote: »

Gotta give Leo credit for clever trolling tbh, mainly because he's right.

The outrage over this does suggest that the recent talk of a United Ireland is premature and there's a lot of growing up still to be done.

If Leo"s so sure let him ask for a border poll.

bloopy

seamus wrote: »

Gotta give Leo credit for clever trolling tbh, mainly because he's right.

The outrage over this does suggest that the recent talk of a United Ireland is premature and there's a lot of growing up still to be done.

Yup. Everyone else is a bunch of dumb f****.

Good for you and Leo on being the best and the smartest of them all.

careless sherpa

seamus wrote: »

Gotta give Leo credit for clever trolling tbh, mainly because he's right.

The outrage over this does suggest that the recent talk of a United Ireland is premature and there's a lot of growing up still to be done.

Ah yes was a cunning plan all along and not a complete and utter disaster in the run in to an election. Rather than let the whole thing sit they then just keep on digging. There is a lot of growing up to be done alright

And if it does highlight anything it is the level of nationalist sentiment just under the surface. Once the balance tips in the six counties, unification is a done deal

seamus

seamus wrote: »

Gotta give Leo credit for clever trolling tbh, mainly because he's right.

The outrage over this does suggest that the recent talk of a United Ireland is premature and there's a lot of growing up still to be done.

How can any of you people even be serious? Would you feel the same if your beloved loyalists were asked to hold a commemoration for the Provisional IRA? “Growing up”, like seriously you are talking out of your hole. You don’t hold events celebrating your enemies and oppressors. No self respecting people would, but that’s the real issue here.

seamus

careless sherpa wrote: »

Ah yes was a cunning plan all along and not a complete and utter disaster in the run in to an election.

That's not what I'm saying.

But he has managed to turn a PR clusterfvck for Fine Gael into a difficult question for Sinn Féin. How can they call for a border poll and demand that the people of NI move on from the past, if they can't do the same down south?

Just like we've seen in discussions that have happened here around flags and anthems, while people might get misty-eyed about a United Ireland, the reality is that there is a huge cohort unwilling to yield their blind nationalism and bitterness, who'll be unwilling to do what is needed to achieve a peaceful union.

If anyone thinks that a UI will just involve a few celebrations and telling Unionists to get ta fvck if they don't like it, then they're going to be in for a big shock.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

That's not what I'm saying.

But he has managed to turn a PR clusterfvck for Fine Gael into a difficult question for Sinn Féin. How can they call for a border poll and demand that the people of NI move on from the past, if they can't do the same down south?

Just like we've seen in discussions that have happened here around flags and anthems, while people might get misty-eyed about a United Ireland, the reality is that there is a huge cohort unwilling to yield their blind nationalism and bitterness, who'll be unwilling to do what is needed to achieve a peaceful union.

If anyone thinks that a UI will just involve a few celebrations and telling Unionists to get ta fvck if they don't like it, then they're going to be in for a big shock.

Then maybe it’s good to bring to light the idea that a UI is not a good idea at all. I think a lot of people are going to realise this in the next few years when they’re shown how they’ll actually lose Ireland altogether and gain some rotten diluted British state if it happened.

Junkyard Tom

seamus wrote: »

The outrage over this does suggest that the recent talk of a United Ireland is premature and there's a lot of growing up still to be done.

Maturity would be respecting our differences not bending-the-knee to a rotten colonial legacy.

Leo, Flanagan, and people who share their sentiments, are the ones whose views need to mature.

FrancieBrady

seamus wrote: »

That's not what I'm saying.

But he has managed to turn a PR clusterfvck for Fine Gael into a difficult question for Sinn Féin. How can they call for a border poll and demand that the people of NI move on from the past, if they can't do the same down south?

Just like we've seen in discussions that have happened here around flags and anthems, while people might get misty-eyed about a United Ireland, the reality is that there is a huge cohort unwilling to yield their blind nationalism and bitterness, who'll be unwilling to do what is needed to achieve a peaceful union.

If anyone thinks that a UI will just involve a few celebrations and telling Unionists to get ta fvck if they don't like it, then they're going to be in for a big shock.

FG and cohorts are desperately trying to spin a narrative that there are parties and people who want to 'forget' the men and women of the RIC/DMP or are 'unwilling' to acknowledge them.
If there was they would have reacted to the EG report.

There isn't. FG are spinning desperately here.

careless sherpa

seamus wrote: »

That's not what I'm saying.

But he has managed to turn a PR clusterfvck for Fine Gael into a difficult question for Sinn Féin. How can they call for a border poll and demand that the people of NI move on from the past, if they can't do the same down south?

Just like we've seen in discussions that have happened here around flags and anthems, while people might get misty-eyed about a United Ireland, the reality is that there is a huge cohort unwilling to yield their blind nationalism and bitterness, who'll be unwilling to do what is needed to achieve a peaceful union.

If anyone thinks that a UI will just involve a few celebrations and telling Unionists to get ta fvck if they don't like it, then they're going to be in for a big shock.

He hasn't managed to do that at all. Sinn Fein is in disarray as it is and are in danger of slipping into being irrelevant in the 26 counties.

Any way you look at it, partition has been a disaster for the island as a whole but has been horrific for the six counties. And it continues to be so with the standard of living in the north falling further behind all the time. When the livelihoods of those in the middle dictate that unification is a better wagon to hitch to then it will happen. Pandering to a couple of retired Gardai whose grandpappys shot Irish revolutionaries won't alter that one iota. FG have made a complete mess if the whole affair but even an ignorant fool could have predicted that

Marcos

seamus wrote: »

That's not what I'm saying.

But he has managed to turn a PR clusterfvck for Fine Gael into a difficult question for Sinn Féin.

Just because you say it doesn’t make it so. But keep spinning anyway.

cameramonkey

fundi wrote: »

To most Dubliners in 1916 the terrorists and oppressors were the insurgents. Only after the executions did the mood change.

How do you come to that conclusion? Was there a poll to ask Dubliners what their opinion of the rising was or did you just make it up?

Kermit.de.frog

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Do the Germans celebrate the national socialist party?

Some do to be fair.

Kermit.de.frog

cameramonkey wrote: »

How do you come to that conclusion? Was there a poll to ask Dubliners what their opinion of the rising was or did you just make it up?

By the their own accounts it was written in prison (not sure which one) that they required the protection of the soldiers from angry mobs as they were led away after the surrendered at the GPO.

FrancieBrady

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Some do to be fair.

And some have been celebrating the RIC/DMP here unimpeded for years.

Do the German 'state' celebrate the Stazi?

cameramonkey

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

By the their own accounts it was written in prison (not sure which one) that they required the protection of the soldiers from angry mobs as they were led away after the surrendered at the GPO.

From my reading of it they were jeered by some but not by a huge crowds or even groups.

There were isolated incidents of jeering but reports of them seem to have been blown out of proportion to imply that the Republicans had little support.

There were also reports that they were supported by people as they were marched through the streets.

Jimmy Garlic

crossman47 wrote: »

The intention was never to honour anyone and certainly not the Black and Tans. The RIC was composed of good Irishmen and they should be commemmerated if we are serious about inclusivity. People are citing the Black and Tans in order to create a row.

Would the French commemorate the Milice? Don't think so.

jmcc

seamus wrote: »

But he has managed to turn a PR clusterfvck for Fine Gael into a difficult question for Sinn Féin.

No he hasn't He's just acting like a clueless spoilt child who is too thick to realise that he has screwed up. All the pro-FG spin about "maturity" is just that. No matter how the Blueshirts try to spin this, it is a competely disaster facing into a GE.

Regards...jmcc

The high horse brigade

We need to be mature about this, says the guy who wrote to Kylie Minogue looking for tickets

lmimmfn

seamus wrote: »

Gotta give Leo credit for clever trolling tbh, mainly because he's right.

The outrage over this does suggest that the recent talk of a United Ireland is premature and there's a lot of growing up still to be done.

What does this have to do with a United Ireland?, did i miss something? are we voting on this soon? are the vested interests discussing this currently?

No!, so maybe all the dragging of United Ireland nonsense into this debate should be left aside until something is actually happening on that front.

Just because Leo is in a huff that he didnt get his way does not make it legitimate.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Try again Mark...concentrate on these words in particular...'an already agreed deal'.

Clue: rearrange the following letters...FGA.

P.S. The foundation of Northern Ireland is down for commemoration as a significant event, something you would know had you bothered to read the EG document properly.

A deal agreed by whom and ratified how?

A deal most certainly has to be done before any border poll as the people will need to know what exactly they will be voting on.

FrancieBrady

jmcc wrote: »

No he hasn't He's just acting like a clueless spoilt child who is too thick to realise that he has screwed up. All the pro-FG spin about "maturity" is just that. No matter how the Blueshirts try to spin this, it is a competely disaster facing into a GE.

Regards...jmcc

It's as if seamus thinks that Sinn Fein's reaction to the state formally commemorating the RIC/DMP is going to be a surprise to anybody. Somebody living in solitary confinement for 30 years would know how they would react to that idea. The actual surprise is how many FGers objected to it as well.
What is studiously ignored here is that SF voiced absolutely no objection to the role of the RIC/DMP being acknowledged in other ways.

jmcc

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's as if seamus thinks that Sinn Fein's reaction to the state formally commemorating the RIC/DMP is going to be a surprise to anybody. Somebody living in solitary confinement for 30 years would know how they would react to that idea. The actual surprise is how many FGers objected to it as well.
What is studiously ignored here is that SF voiced absolutely no objection to the role of the RIC/DMP being acknowledged in other ways.

Yep. Coveney would have been a far better choice as leader and was wanted as leader by the FG party. Varadkar has no sense of Irish history even of his own party. Flanagan is an even more unrepresentative of FGers. But what is happening now is that FGers are trying to spin this as being a United Ireland issue when it is nothing of the sort.

Regards...jmcc

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

A deal agreed by whom and ratified how?

The Good Friday Agreement was a deal agreed between the governments of Ireland and the UK and ratified by referendums here and in NI. It contains the mechanism for a border poll.

A deal most certainly has to be done before any border poll as the people will need to know what exactly they will be voting on.

There will be no pre agreed deal ..think about it for a second. You want Unionists to agree a deal on a UI and then campaign against it.

Yes, it is a ridiculous notion. Labour got hammered in the GE in the UK for suggesting the same nonsense with regards to Brexit.

fundi

The Nal wrote: »

These guys are ok. Disgraceful re housing and health but as good as we've had.

We've never had a good government. Ever.

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not sure all would agree with you that the Irish are poor at governing themselves, but there is a lot of evidence indicating that is the case.

We will not have to worry about governing all 32 counties for a long time now anyway, according to our Taoiseach it is further away than ever due to many peoples reaction.

careless sherpa

fundi wrote: »

We will not have to worry about governing all 32 counties for a long time now anyway, according to our Taoiseach it is further away than ever due to many peoples reaction.

How exactly is it further away though. If anything it shows the level of nationalism in the 26 counties. Unionists are not going to vote for a UI unless there is an economic collapse. A UI will be won in nationalist middle ground. I can't see them being offended by the weeks events

Mr Meanor

jmcc wrote: »

Yep. Coveney would have been a far better choice as leader and was wanted as leader by the FG party. Varadkar has no sense of Irish history even of his own party. Flanagan is an even more unrepresentative of FGers. But what is happening now is that FGers are trying to spin this as being a United Ireland issue when it is nothing of the sort.

Regards...jmcc

I don't think even the media has realised how damaging this has been for FG, but FF has.
Varadka has now shown how divorced he is from the average Irish persons opinions, as for Flanagan, well he's always been that way and FF has a long memory regarding him!
I can see Varadkar trying to push the election as far away from this as he can.

FrancieBrady

fundi wrote: »

We will not have to worry about governing all 32 counties for a long time now anyway, according to our Taoiseach it is further away than ever due to many peoples reaction.

Yeh. How many times exactly has Leo shown he has his finger on the pulse of the nation? Coveney did the heavy lifting on Brexit and Leo bounced in the polls on his coat tails.
Leo has just put his foot in it again and again and again.

Zebra3

The irony of Ulster unionists moaning about a lack of inclusivity when most of them wish it was 1965.