RIC and DMP to be commemorated this month

Ash.J.Williams

read some bullcrap at the weekend about how the decision was wrong to cancel as people like Rob Broy were in the RIC....


but we do celebrate Rob Broy we just don't see him as RIC

James Brown

fundi wrote: »

Not the point. Between Dunkirk in June 1940 and Hitlers declaration of war on Russia in 1941, Britain and her Empire more or less stood alone against Germany. But for that these islands would have been invaded.

We can't be invaded twice. It just doesn't work out mathematically. You can only be invaded and occupied by one invader at a time and the British are still here

J Mysterio

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

read some bullcrap at the weekend about how the decision was wrong to cancel as people like Rob Broy were in the RIC....


but we do celebrate Rob Broy we just don't see him as RIC

Ned Broy

jimgoose

J Mysterio wrote: »

Ned Broy

Col. Broy's information enabled Michael Collins' men to kill a load of RIC/DMP "G-Men". He went on to be an officer in the Free State army and a senior Garda. Oddly enough, in his last guise there he fought against both the Blueshirts and the Old IRA. Life was complicated back then, right enough. :pac:

FrancieBrady

Matt Barrett wrote: »

People are generally decent where ever you go. What the poster stated is a historical fact based on the Empires actions everywhere it went.

It is a delightful fact Matt, that the last time a poster made theory's like this that they were able to say that 'most people' in Ireland thought the same way and now they can't. We now know it is a minority position.
Flanagan has only managed to blow the theory out of the water.
The Irish people will not allow history to be written from an Empire apologist's point of view.
They turned that nonsense and the government party espousing it on it's head inside 48 hours.

Odhinn

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is a delightful fact Matt, that the last time a poster made theory's like this that they were able to say that 'most people' in Ireland thought the same way and now they can't. We now know it is a minority position.
Flanagan has only managed to blow the theory out of the water.
The Irish people will not allow history to be written from an Empire apologist's point of view.
They turned that nonsense and the government party espousing it on it's head inside 48 hours.

It's quite heartening to see the breadth of reaction against it.

Edgware

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

read some bullcrap at the weekend about how the decision was wrong to cancel as people like Rob Broy were in the RIC....


but we do celebrate Rob Broy we just don't see him as RIC

Or even Rob Roy. The Scottish hero

FrancieBrady

Odhinn wrote: »

It's quite heartening to see the breadth of reaction against it.

Charlie said it was going to cause a 'lot of pain' to cancel the event. And boy has it.

jimgoose

Odhinn wrote: »

It's quite heartening to see the breadth of reaction against it.

It does rather leave one with the hope that there is, after all, a silent majority who's tolerance for bullshit has a limit.

lawred2

Hamsterchops wrote: »

No no no, not like fundl at all, and don't start on me too!

... but you can't deny that there are a lot of threads with anti British/Pro Republican sentiment.

Cheers, over & out.

so drop in with a pile of steaming nonsense

get challenged on steaming pile of nonsense

drop steaming pile of nonsense when mildly challenged on same - scream 'not me too' and run off

yeah - nice one

lawred2

Odhinn wrote: »

Do you accept that those countries, and the others in Africa, Asia and the middle east were run on a racist/sectarian basis?

Come closer to home - took until the 90s before the UK came to the table to begin dismantling apartheid in Northern Ireland.

Ash.J.Williams

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Important to note that the government is adamant this is not a "celebration" but rather a recognition that, like it or not, this is an integral part of our history that should be remembered because also like it or not we are talking about Irish people.

quite simply they should have handled it and communicated it better, in fact there was no need to communicate it at all, there are information nights every night of the week for something and there's no big deal.

FrancieBrady

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

quite simply they should have handled it and communicated it better, in fact there was no need to communicate it at all, there are information nights every night of the week for something and there's no big deal.

You have to come to the conclusion that Flanagan knew this would not get by the all party committee. He by passed them in the vain hope that he could get it by the public, that nobody would care.

They government caved on it within 48 hrs such was the public reaction to it. That is a very rare thing.

tipptom

fundi wrote: »

It's a bit rich of someone calling the countries millions of Irish choose to emigrate to (UK, Oz, New Z., Canada etc) "evil and racist " when all the evidence proves they were less racist and evil if anything than Republican Ireland left behind.

fundi wrote: »

Rubbish. Most of us Irish are very fair minded, but I pointed out to the poster that not everyone who emigrated to the UK , Oz, New Zealand, Canada etc found the British Empire to be "racist or evil", their words not mine.

I cant see your name anymore without a vision of Alan Partridge popping up, without the Black and Tans song,of course.

You've jumped the shark baby!

Edgware

lawred2 wrote: »

Come closer to home - took until the 90s before the UK came to the table to begin dismantling apartheid in Northern Ireland.

Ever heard of Sunningdale, Housing executive etc all in 1970s. Brought down by the Loyalists aided and abetted by the Provo murder gangs

FrancieBrady

Edgware wrote: »

Ever heard of Sunningdale, Housing executive etc all in 1970s. Brought down by the Loyalists aided and abetted by the Provo murder gangs

...by the British Army actually.

https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/events/uwc/chr.htm

Edgware

FrancieBrady wrote: »

...by the British Army actually.

https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/events/uwc/chr.htm

Throw the whole lot together but the Provos continuing campaign played it's part. Don't be trying to rewrite history

marieholmfan

Edgware wrote: »

Throw the whole lot together but the Provos continuing campaign played it's part. Don't be trying to rewrite history

You're rewriting history where Sunningdale is concerned. It was brought down by the Ulster Workers Council. This extended way beyond Loyalists.

The revisionists on this thread are Dunning Krueger personified.

fundi

lawred2 wrote: »

Come closer to home - took until the 90s before the UK came to the table to begin dismantling apartheid in Northern Ireland.

You are rewriting history by claiming there was apartheid in N I in the nineties. What an insult to the victims of actual apartheid.

Edgware

marieholmfan wrote: »

You're rewriting history where Sunningdale is concerned. It was brought down by the Ulster Workers Council. This extended way beyond Loyalists.

The revisionists on this thread are Dunning Krueger personified.

Are you saying sf/ira supported Sunningdale?

Zebra3

British forces used chemical weapons to try to suppress the natives fighting for freedom in Malaya.

What an insult to people's suffering to suggest that anybody suffered similarly from actions taken by the Irish state.

Shall we discuss Britain's attempt to turn China in to a nation of junkies in an attempt to balance their trade deficit?

The Famine Queen, arguably also the biggest drug dealer in history.

That's who the "heroes" of the RIC were fighting for.

An evil, racist empire.

FrancieBrady

Edgware wrote: »

Throw the whole lot together but the Provos continuing campaign played it's part. Don't be trying to rewrite history

The Provos had no hand act or part in Sunningdale...that was the problem with it. It was only when the IRA with their bombing campaign in England forced their way to the table that things actually changed. By that time the Unionists Never Never ****e had even the British sick of them and they forced the Unionists in turn to swallow the Anglo Irish Agreement.

Nationalists never really looked back after that. James Molyneaux knew exactly what the AIA meant.

Edgware

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Provos had no hand act or part in Sunningdale...that was the problem with it. It was only when the IRA with their bombing campaign in England forced their way to the table that things actually changed. By that time the Unionists Never Never ****e had even the British sick of them and they forced the Unionists in turn to swallow the Anglo Irish Agreement.

Nationalists never really looked back after that. James Molyneaux knew exactly what the AIA meant.

More francie ****e. Shouldn't you be out tearing down election posters?

FrancieBrady

Edgware wrote: »

More francie ****e. Shouldn't you be out tearing down election posters?

Not able to debate the point, reach for the invective.
Class!

Odhinn

fundi wrote: »

You are rewriting history by claiming there was apartheid in N I in the nineties. What an insult to the victims of actual apartheid.

You might get back to me on the questions I posed here
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112250547&postcount=2879

The Rape of Lucretia

Odhinn wrote: »

We never developed a proper economy under British rule, hence the high emmigration for many years after the departure. It's really our membership of the EU thats allowed us to grow after throwing off the shackles of colonial rule.

Indeed. Ireland spent centuries being the reluctant problem child of an increasingly powerful empire and was the cause of its own backwardness. As you correctly note, it was only when having learned from the mistake of 1922 after 50 years of shamrock and crucifix waving pious poverty, and rejoined a large block and got on with develop itself rather than chasing poets dreams, did it progress from being the backward country bumkin of theretofore.

The Rape of Lucretia

Odhinn wrote: »

Do you accept that those countries, and the others in Africa, Asia and the middle east were run on a racist/sectarian basis?

They certainly were. It was the standard of the time. As mentioned, nobody in Ireland really cared about that either though, and why would they - they were equally men of their time - and they moved to the UK and made their lives and careers there.

FrancieBrady

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Indeed. Ireland spent centuries being the reluctant problem child of an increasingly powerful empire and was the cause of its own backwardness. As you correctly note, it was only when having learned from the mistake of 1922 after 50 years of shamrock and crucifix waving pious poverty, and rejoined a large block and got on with develop itself rather than chasing poets dreams, did it progress from being the backward country bumkin of theretofore.

One can almost predict these posts now.
It's actually easier to get a rise out of the empire apologists. Why not re-reg and come back and do that for a change?

Edgware

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not able to debate the point, reach for the invective.
Class!

Have to drop to your village idiot level

Professor Moriarty

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Indeed. Ireland spent centuries being the reluctant problem child of an increasingly powerful empire and was the cause of its own backwardness. As you correctly note, it was only when having learned from the mistake of 1922 after 50 years of shamrock and crucifix waving pious poverty, and rejoined a large block and got on with develop itself rather than chasing poets dreams, did it progress from being the backward country bumkin of theretofore.

That's either ignorant or stupid. Or both. Or maybe you do know better but are just trying to offend.