One in nine children brought up in home with no working adult

Alrigghtythen

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/one-in-nine-children-brought-up-in-home-with-no-working-adult-38828357.html

That's a shocking figure. Why is there so many jobless households? Is it because the benefits are too high to give up for a job or because of a demotivated workforce?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/everything-you-need-to-know-about-ireland-s-economy/
Ireland’s economy is outperforming most other Eurozone countries with almost full employment and rising real wages.

mickdw

I'd have thought it was higher tbh.
The welfare is far too good if you know how to work the system which all these non working households clearly do.
I'd be in favour of a universal payment to everyone that tg was quickly taken back in tax on the first portion of earned income.
The advantage would be that it would always pay to work. So you get your payment then if you work 5 hours or 50 hours per week, you will be gaining instead of the current situation where people cannot leave welfare unless they get a job paying 60k.

tdf7187

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/everything-you-need-to-know-about-ireland-s-economy/
Ireland’s economy is outperforming most other Eurozone countries with almost full employment and rising real wages.

I doubt it.

X111111111111

Some people are just unemployable. I've interviewed plenty of them and I wouldn't give them a job in a fit.

tdf7187

mickdw wrote: »

. So you get your payment then if you work 5 hours or 50 hours per week, you will be gaining instead of the current situation where people cannot leave welfare unless they get a job paying 60k.

Dole payments are 202 a week. This is 11k or so a year.

Eric Cartman

theres a good lifestyle to be made bieng a stay at home lone parent. those types have more kids than working families so upset the average. Fathers being around (let alone working ones) becoming increasingly rarer.

Plumbthedepths

Lots of minimum wage jobs out there, not worth some people's time to take one. Loss of to many benefits.

cruizer101

tdf7187 wrote: »

Dole payments are 202 a week. This is 11k or so a year.

Add on hap and other benefits and its a fair bit more, the 60k comment probably a bit exaggerated but for many there is little incentive to go into low paid work.

mickdw

tdf7187 wrote: »

Dole payments are 202 a week. This is 11k or so a year.

And you could set up tax system to claw it all back in first 20k earnings so zero cost for most employed people.
The advantage is no welfare trap. The more you work, the more cash you have regardless of circumstances.

Ha Long Bay

X111111111111 wrote: »

Some people are just unemployable. I've interviewed plenty of them and I wouldn't give them a job in a fit.

Your situation seems to have improved in the last month from working 16 hours a week to interviewing people.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111905889&postcount=197

"12k per year as a PAYE worker 16 hrs per week (very little tax on that), 6k social welfare per annum and about 11k per annum as a take away delivery driver 2 nights a week. Things are tight but im time rich which is the most important thing for me."

Ginger83

X111111111111 wrote: »

Some people are just unemployable. I've interviewed plenty of them and I wouldn't give them a job in a fit.

In what way

Shelflife

Would it be skewed by the fact that the jobless couple may have more children than the couple with a job ?

If you take 100 couples who have on average 1.5 children you get 150 children.

If you take the unemployment rate is 5% so in theory 5 of those couples are unemployed.

But if those couples had 5 children each that gives you 25 children.

So in this example 17% of children are brought up in a home with no working adult.

...

Or we could look at:

The costs of childcare
Or
Families having to move away from their support network (grandparents/aunt's/uncles) etc as it's too expensive to rent in their home town.
Or
Why some families could be over 300pw better off if the parents separated.

It's not always lazy people :rolleyes:

Kermit.de.frog

X111111111111 wrote: »

Some people are just unemployable. I've interviewed plenty of them and I wouldn't give them a job in a fit.

john4321 wrote: »

Your situation seems to have improved in the last month from working 16 hours a week to interviewing people.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111905889&postcount=197

"12k per year as a PAYE worker 16 hrs per week (very little tax on that), 6k social welfare per annum and about 11k per annum as a take away delivery driver 2 nights a week. Things are tight but im time rich which is the most important thing for me."

Someone call the police!!! There has been a murder on Boards.ie :eek:

MichaelKnee

I've worked my whole life.

Plumbthedepths

john4321 wrote: »

Your situation seems to have improved in the last month from working 16 hours a week to interviewing people.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111905889&postcount=197

"12k per year as a PAYE worker 16 hrs per week (very little tax on that), 6k social welfare per annum and about 11k per annum as a take away delivery driver 2 nights a week. Things are tight but im time rich which is the most important thing for me."

Lots of Walter Mitty types on Boards.

Pawwed Rig

tdf7187 wrote: »

Dole payments are 202 a week. This is 11k or so a year.

Noone with kids on a full means tested payment is earning only €202 per week. Your post is a bit disingenuous.

Feisar

tdf7187 wrote: »

Dole payments are 202 a week. This is 11k or so a year.

The fabled Maggie Cash for example would need a job paying 85k to come home with the same as she gets sitting on the doll. She’d need more to break even as she’d need to pay for child care.

Bannasidhe

Deleted User wrote: »

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Or we could look at:

The costs of childcare
Or
Families having to move away from their support network (grandparents/aunt's/uncles) etc as it's too expensive to rent in their home town.
Or
Why some families could be over 300pw better off if the parents separated.

It's not always lazy people :rolleyes:

We could also consider there may be instances where a parent is a carer - for an adult partner or a child. They would technically be 'jobless' while saving the State thousands.

'No working adult' can mean many things.

MarkY91

X111111111111 wrote: »

Some people are just unemployable. I've interviewed plenty of them and I wouldn't give them a job in a fit.

I'd be interested in hearing about some of the people you interviewed. Might make an interesting thread..

malinheader

tdf7187 wrote: »

Dole payments are 202 a week. This is 11k or so a year.

You forgot to mention the add on benefits.

4068ac1elhodqr

What some folks above describe as solutions is effectively UBI (Universal Basic Income), or 'the freedome dividend' as it's proposed in the USA.

I.e. You get 250 or so per week for nothing. If you work an additional 2hr or even 80hr per week, you still keep the 250 regardless (and don't have to fill out any forms or push prams onto buses for welfare interviews) for these varied 'nixers/gigs'. Ideally suited to the emerging 'zero-hours contract gig-economy', and in a coming era whereby most of the unskilled (and even highly skilled), will be outclassed by the ai-bots (aka 4th industrial reveloution).

Guy:Incognito

Ive met loads of unemployable people. Unfortunately most of them were coworkers.

FAMLEE

If a person with a dependent (child) on the dole can claim between 250-300 a week & they have no qualifications.. why would they work 40hours/week minimum wage for -350? Factor in, travelling costs etc. it makes no sense.

James Brown

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/one-in-nine-children-brought-up-in-home-with-no-working-adult-38828357.html

That's a shocking figure. Why is there so many jobless households? Is it because the benefits are too high to give up for a job or because of a demotivated workforce?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/everything-you-need-to-know-about-ireland-s-economy/
Ireland’s economy is outperforming most other Eurozone countries with almost full employment and rising real wages.

No, deciding not to work won't get you any state aid unless you commit some kind of fraud and tell lies they believe, which usually require verification any way.
Anyone availing of welfare is more than likely eligible and in need of it.

Ginger83

Bannasidhe wrote: »

We could also consider there may be instances where a parent is a carer - for an adult partner or a child. They would technically be 'jobless' while saving the State thousands.

'No working adult' can mean many things.

My wife is my carer.

Icsics

Social welfare is too high, once all the add ons are included. Would be interesting to see what the % of traveler households are employed

Eric Cartman

Icsics wrote: »

Social welfare is too high, once all the add ons are included. Would be interesting to see what the % of traveler households are employed

I think we do have a stat on that, its single digit % iirc

edit : https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/p8itseah/

12% of traveller men work, 10% of traveller women....

Alrigghtythen

In most cases one adult would be free to work while the other minds the children so the childcare is a red herring I think.

James Brown

MichaelKnee wrote: »

I was working until last year until I quit. To be honest, I should have done it sooner.

What are you doing for income if I might ask? You can't quit and claim welfare.

FAMLEE

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think we do have a stat on that, its single digit % iirc

edit : https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/p8itseah/

12% of traveller men work, 10% of traveller women....

But 100% of traveller men have a big ball of 50e notes in their pocket at all times?