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    #152
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    FG base has no love for travellers bar the south dublin segment who have no first hand experience with them , the media however demand special treatment and sacred cow status for travellers and the current FG leadership are obsessed with being on side with the media tribe

    since eoin o broin became chief strategist in SF down south , travellers have indeed become a high priority for that party , they rival labour nowadays in terms of extolling the virtues of multiculturalism and immunity from responsibility for certain groups.

    Fine Gael will lose seats in rural Ireland over travellers and the leaderships failure to listen to law abiding suffering at the hands of traveller crime .
    Eoin o Broin etc in Sinn Fein have moved away from been a Republican Party to some sort of traveller - hard left crackpot party . O Broin from Cabinteely in South Dublin and a student of blackrock college is a classic champagne socialist . They too will lose seats in rural Ireland .

    Hard to know who’ll gain in rural Ireland , Fianna Fáil , Independents in the main or many have given up and won’t bother voting .


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    #153
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Does it work much going one rants and trying to drag people down to your level?

    Best leave you to it.....

    You mean the level where you make nasty underhand digs but then don't have the balls to own them?

    No that's your level, not mine. At least I have the courage to stand by my convictions.


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    #154
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    people are people and will exploit any system they can to their advantage. the issue is not with individuals but rather with a bureaucracy which disincentives work. no able bodied person of sound mind should be better off out of work than in it.


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    #155
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Your living on cloud cuckoo land with your 30,000 travellers . It’s estimated as few as a third of travellers filled in census forms in the last census . Like everything else they dont abide by the law and the census collectors and guards have given up trying to get them to comply . The true number is closer to 80,000 . Considering travellers are having an average 7-8 kid families and at a far younger age as opposed to working family’s having 1-2 , travellers are outbreeding the working population significantly. More tax’s on those working will be only way to meet the welfare bill going forward .

    80k in a population of 4.8-5 million

    What percentage of the population is travellers?

    How many years before they will take over Ireland do you think?


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    #156
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    dark crystal wrote: »
    What are the stats to back that up, out of curiosity?

    I thought Ireland was enjoying 'full employment'.

    Full employment? You not read the first post?


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    #157
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Full employment? You not read the first post?

    Yes I did.

    How does that equate to there being more wasters than people willing to work exactly?

    https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/ireland-is-close-to-full-employment-new-cso-figures-show-38183662.html
    This means there are now 108,200 people out of work – a fall of 33,200 compared to the same month last year.

    Economist Alan McQuaid said we are as close to full employment as possible.

    He said full employment is generally around the 4pc mark – but 0pc is never reached because there are always people between jobs.

    “We are almost back to Celtic Tiger levels of employment and the numbers are holding up remarkably well despite Brexit,” he said.

    “The rate today is more than 11.5pc below peak unemployment during the recession and is lower than the 7.6pc Eurozone average.

    “We had a very strong labour force survey recently showing there were 2.3 million people at work and the number of jobs created is likely to be over 70,000 and even higher than last year.”

    How does that back up your assertion?


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    #158
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Yes I did.

    How does that equate to there being more wasters than people willing to work exactly?



    How does that back up your assertion?

    Why not quote the entire post

    “At end of day the country has more wasters than people willing to work

    So no political party will come out and say they will reduce the social welfare etc. So instead they will commit to increasing it to get the great unwashed to vote for them“

    I have never said I had stats to back it up but as I posted the political parties are more interested in keeping the people on social welfare happy than the people working.

    Do you disagree? Or you still going to pull bits out of a post?

    Your decision


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    #159
    dark crystal
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Why not quote the entire post

    “At end of day the country has more wasters than people willing to work

    So no political party will come out and say they will reduce the social welfare etc. So instead they will commit to increasing it to get the great unwashed to vote for them“

    I have never said I had stats to back it up but as I posted the political parties are more interested in keeping the people on social welfare happy than the people working.

    Do you disagree? Or you still going to pull bits out of a post?

    Your decision

    It was just that statement I wanted backed up as it seemed so absurdly incorrect. You have admitted you couldn't back up such a statement, so I'm good, thanks.


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    #160
    Idbatterim
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    They like fiddling the figuresz. The amount of people with a “ disability” they are not included as unemployed. I’d say you could go to a gp and get classed as having a disability, with a common cold !


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    #161
    Idbatterim
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Why not quote the entire post

    “At end of day the country has more wasters than people willing to work

    So no political party will come out and say they will reduce the social welfare etc. So instead they will commit to increasing it to get the great unwashed to vote for them“

    I have never said I had stats to back it up but as I posted the political parties are more interested in keeping the people on social welfare happy than the people working.

    Do you disagree? Or you still going to pull bits out of a post?

    Your decision
    There have to be more wasters here than anywhere else in Europe , probably the world , because nowhere else rewards them as richly as we do !


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    #162
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    There have to be more wasters here than anywhere else in Europe , probably the world , because nowhere else rewards them as richly as we do !

    As a % of GDP one of the lowest spends in the OECD


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    #163
    Mad_maxx
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    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Fine Gael will lose seats in rural Ireland over travellers and the leaderships failure to listen to law abiding suffering at the hands of traveller crime .
    Eoin o Broin etc in Sinn Fein have moved away from been a Republican Party to some sort of traveller - hard left crackpot party . O Broin from Cabinteely in South Dublin and a student of blackrock college is a classic champagne socialist . They too will lose seats in rural Ireland .

    Hard to know who’ll gain in rural Ireland , Fianna Fáil , Independents in the main or many have given up and won’t bother voting .

    SF have adopted cosmopolitan socialism in place of irish republicanism , part of this new strategy involves bestowing sacred cow status on certain groups and causes. o broin is at the heart of this shift

    SF are more or less on board with every core RTE progressive left ideal

    open borders , massive welfare spending , immunity for official minorities


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    #164
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    limnam wrote: »
    As a % of GDP one of the lowest spends in the OECD

    Don’t believe it. Does that also take into account the medical cards. Free travel. Free housing etc ? Fcuk knows whatever else they get. Wouldn’t be surprised if the super long term unemployed here , get free weekly shopping in m and s!

    A twenty one billion euro slush fund , the biggest benefactors are the pubs , bookies and jd sports !


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    #165
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    limnam wrote: »
    As a % of GDP one of the lowest spends in the OECD

    we spend nothing on defense , this distorts our public spending percentage


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    #166
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Don’t believe it. Does that also take into account the medical cards. Free travel. Free housing etc ? Fcuk knows whatever else they get. Wouldn’t be surprised if the super long term unemployed here , get free weekly shopping in m and s!


    I've no issue with people been looked after during periods.

    The problem in this country is not the size of the payments it's the eligibility.

    No one should be able to sign on at 18 and stay there for life.


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    #167
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    limnam wrote: »
    I've no issue with people been looked after during periods.

    The problem in this country is not the size of the payments it's the eligibility.

    No one should be able to sign on at 18 and stay there for life.

    I’d go as far as saying , you can’t sign on unless you have completed secondary level education at least and worked for a period too. Then link it to what they have paid in , like other countries!


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    #168
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    I’d go as far as saying , you can’t sign on unless you have completed secondary level education at least and worked for a period too. Then link it to what they have paid in , like other countries!


    I'd be OK with this but the whole school system would need to be revamped first.


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    #169
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    limnam wrote: »
    I'd be OK with this but the whole school system would need to be revamped first.


    Whats wrong with school system?


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    #170
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Whats wrong with school system?

    Just about everything.

    But this is not the place for it.


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    #171
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    AulWan wrote: »
    What annoys me is the notion that you think you have all the answers. You don't.

    Right, so since NOVEMBER (i.e. one month ago) we have subsidized (not fully paid) childcare, so everything should be all right now and there should be thousands of part time jobs waiting? And training courses? :rolleyes:

    Why is it that you are so down on one parent families?

    Why are you not equally down on all the two parent families who work the system by opting for one of them to stay at home fulltime, therefore capping their own incomes at a level where they pay less tax, can claim HAP, WFP, and all with the added bonus of all their childcare needs met by the parent at home?

    Lone parents don't have that choice.

    As an aside, the government at the time had to backtrack and hastily introduced Jobseekers Transition when they realised they ****ed up by originally just cutting lone parents off at the knees when their children were age 7.

    I’d appreciate if you could point out to me anywhere on this thread where I’ve been “down on one parent families”. You really shouldn’t be alllowed to throw these ad hominem completely unwarranted unprovoked personal insults around.
    You’ve some kind of a chip on your shoulder about lone parents.
    All I’ve done is point out the inaccuracies and misinformation regarding benefits that you were posting.
    Your last paragraph here is you backtracking on your original declaration that mothers of 7 year olds were sent out to walk the streets looking for work when you knew that wasn’t true.
    Anyway I look forward to your pointing out where I’ve been offensive about lone parents.


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    #172
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    limnam wrote: »
    Just about everything.

    But this is not the place for it.


    The main issue I see with education is the government cuts. Apart from that the education is not perfect but nothing I would point a finger at.


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    #173
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    limnam wrote: »
    I'd be OK with this but the whole school system would need to be revamped first.

    It’s always someone else’s fault ??

    This smokescreen tactic used as an excuse by Margaret cash etc for years rather than get on with it like everyone else . Plenty other people with less money than her crew manage to get good school results and better themselves in life !


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    #174
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    It’s always someone else’s fault ??

    This smokescreen tactic used as an excuse by Margaret cash etc for years rather than get on with it like everyone else . Plenty other people with less money than her crew manage to get good school results and better themselves in life !

    As I had said previously.

    I'm not excusing Margaret Cash.

    I'm surprised she keeps coming up though. It's like the sun fed zombies miss cash and they can't think about anything else.

    She's not the problem and keep on going on about her doesn't fix anything.

    No it's not always someone else's fault.

    I went through the school system. i did ok.

    That doesn't mean it's not rubbish.


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    #175
    Jinglejangle69
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    They like fiddling the figuresz. The amount of people with a “ disability” they are not included as unemployed. I’d say you could go to a gp and get classed as having a disability, with a common cold !

    Highest disability claimees in the EU!!


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    #176
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Highest disability claimees in the EU!!

    Again, one of the lowest in the oecd for incapacity based on % of GDP


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    #177
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    limnam wrote: »
    Again, one of the lowest in the oecd for incapacity based on % of GDP

    http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/the-mystery-of-disability/


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    #178
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/the-mystery-of-disability/

    Data is 7 years old.

    One of the lowest spends in the OECD on incapacity.


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    #179
    Millionaire only not
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Millionaire only not


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Whats wrong with school system?

    Probably nothing to do with this thread
    But education system is a farce , too many bull****e useless courses !
    Get them out in real world , my god we were self thought from 15 these guys are 22 before they work !
    Some of the women back out of the work force in few years to have babies !


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    #180
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    The main issue I see with education is the government cuts. Apart from that the education is not perfect but nothing I would point a finger at.

    What cuts?

    You mean when the teachers were one of the highest paid in the OECD and we couldn't afford them?

    I think they're doing OK.


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    #181
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    limnam wrote: »
    What cuts?

    You mean when the teachers were one of the highest paid in the OECD and we couldn't afford them?

    I think they're doing OK.

    Ahh your issue with education system starts to come more clear

    No I wasn’t talking about teachers


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