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One in nine children brought up in home with no working adult

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    #212
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Bambi wrote: »
    Perhaps we should avoid making single parenthood the most attractive option welfare wise?


    34e a week to raise a child.


    Where do I sign up.


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    #213
    Viscount Aggro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    I heard it last night.. A taxi driver who works the rank nearly across road from it. He told me its a crim.


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    #214
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 40,236 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Thats not the reason and you know it, the most disabled workforce in europe

    So there is no correlation between half a million people waiting to see a doctor and disability rates.

    Really?

    Well then show your work that disproves it please.


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    #215
    Blanco100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Blanco100


    When is there going to be some fair and honest debate about peoples decisions regarding having children when they are already struggling financially and with "homelessness"?

    This seems to be a discussion thats off limits. Personally would love to be in the position to have children with my wife but being responsible adults we want conditions to be right for this.

    It absolutely sickens me to hear scroungers whinging about their 3 children (with a 4th on the way) spending christmas in a hotel. Nobody ever asks why they chose to create another mouth for the state to feed without a thought in the world. People dangling kids in front of the nation hoping it will justify their meal ticket.


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    #216
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Blanco100 wrote: »
    When is there going to be some fair and honest debate about peoples decisions regarding having children when they are already struggling financially and with "homelessness"?

    This seems to be a discussion thats off limits. Personally would love to be in the position to have children with my wife but being responsible adults we want conditions to be right for this.

    It absolutely sickens me to hear scroungers whinging about their 3 children (with a 4th on the way) spending christmas in a hotel. Nobody ever asks why they chose to create another mouth for the state to feed without a thought in the world. People dangling kids in front of the nation hoping it will justify their meal ticket.

    We NEVER ever get the other side of the story with these so called homeless.

    It's all the governments fault and noone is allowed mention personal responsibility.


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    #217
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Blanco100 wrote: »
    When is there going to be some fair and honest debate about peoples decisions regarding having children when they are already struggling financially and with "homelessness"?

    This seems to be a discussion thats off limits. Personally would love to be in the position to have children with my wife but being responsible adults we want conditions to be right for this.

    It absolutely sickens me to hear scroungers whinging about their 3 children (with a 4th on the way) spending christmas in a hotel. Nobody ever asks why they chose to create another mouth for the state to feed without a thought in the world. People dangling kids in front of the nation hoping it will justify their meal ticket.


    They don't get anything extra for a 4th as far as i know.


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    #218
    Blanco100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Blanco100


    limnam wrote: »
    They don't get anything extra for a 4th as far as i know.

    There's some incentive im sure. Bumping up the housing list maybe as they are seen as most needy perhaps.

    Either way, never a mention of personal responsibility.


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    #219
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Blanco100 wrote: »
    There's some incentive im sure. Bumping up the housing list maybe as they are seen as most needy perhaps.

    Either way, never a mention of personal responsibility.


    Everyone has their story and do stupid things.


    Look at yourself.


    You think there's a good time to have kids. That's as naive as thinking knocking out babies is a good way to make money.


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    #220
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    My neighbour told me she's trying to get disability for vertigo. I told her if she stopped drinking a bottle of wine every day it would miraculously go away.

    An awful lot of that , alcoholism breeds all sorts of anti work excuses


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    #221
    Blanco100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Blanco100


    limnam wrote: »
    Everyone has their story and do stupid things.


    Look at yourself.


    You think there's a good time to have kids. That's as naive as thinking knocking out babies is a good way to make money.

    A good time to have kids is when you dont need the state to subsidize you for the majority of the upbringing.

    Look at myself? Its what we have been doing and hence made the responsible choice.

    I can see this discussion is being shut down in minutes. Its gas.


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    #222
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Blanco100 wrote: »
    A good time to have kids is when you dont need the state to subsidize you for the majority of the upbringing.

    Look at myself? Its what we have been doing and hence made the responsible choice.

    I can see this discussion is being shut down in minutes. Its gas.


    That good time can change very quickly and does for many.


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    #223
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Blanco100 wrote: »
    When is there going to be some fair and honest debate about peoples decisions regarding having children when they are already struggling financially and with "homelessness"?

    This seems to be a discussion thats off limits. Personally would love to be in the position to have children with my wife but being responsible adults we want conditions to be right for this.

    It absolutely sickens me to hear scroungers whinging about their 3 children (with a 4th on the way) spending christmas in a hotel. Nobody ever asks why they chose to create another mouth for the state to feed without a thought in the world. People dangling kids in front of the nation hoping it will justify their meal ticket.

    When the media starts suggesting these people might take some personal responsibility for decisions made and not blindly blame the government.

    When the media stops being about accepting the best sob story for clicks and involves some critical thinking and investigation

    .....so never


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    #224
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Viscount Aggro wrote: »
    If you an are alcoholic, you can claim disability.

    How about that new luxury apartment block in south Dublin? I heard that the first lucky tenant has moved in. He is straight out of Mountjoy.

    This has to be a wind up ?! Even in this kip !


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    #225
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    This has to be a wind up ?! Even in this kip !

    Ireland for all its faults is far from a kip


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    #226
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    This has to be a wind up ?! Even in this kip !

    Sadlg true, drink your 188 a week and you might get rewarded 230 a week for being an alco


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    #227
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Sadlg true, drink your 188 a week and you might get rewarded 230 a week for being an alco


    Thought the rate was 203.


    15e wouldn't get you 3 pints.


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    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Boggles wrote: »
    With over half a million people waiting years just to see a doctor that knows what they are doing it's hardly surprising we have high levels of disability.

    That has absolutely nothing to do with the levels of DA applications approved in this country. People do not wait “years” to see their GP. Nonsense.


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    #229
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    splinter65 wrote: »
    That has absolutely nothing to do with the levels of DA applications approved in this country. People do not wait “years” to see their GP. Nonsense.


    There's people that don't even have a GP and can't get on a list with a GP as they've no room.


    Even when they do the waiting list to see specialists etc


    During that time things can get worse for people which leads to been out of work longer which leads to finding it hard to get back in etc etc etc


    It's not always so straight forward.


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    #230
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    limnam wrote: »
    Thought the rate was 203.


    15e wouldn't get you 3 pints.

    itll get you 12 tins though. enough for a days drinking.


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    #231
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 40,236 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    splinter65 wrote: »
    That has absolutely nothing to do with the levels of DA applications approved in this country. People do not wait “years” to see their GP. Nonsense.

    No one claimed they did.

    :confused:


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    #232
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 40,236 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    limnam wrote: »
    During that time things can get worse for people which leads to been out of work longer which leads to finding it hard to get back in etc etc etc

    It's not even just getting back into the workforce it's getting into in the first place.
    According to RTÉ, almost 215,000 Irish children make up the lists, with more than one in four children waiting for over a year to be seen, and some waiting for over two years.

    The amount of children and teenagers attempting to access mental health services has grown by a fifth in just one year, with over 7,000 waiting to see a psychologist.

    Figures seen by RTÉ News indicates that 90,000 children are waiting for community health care services, including crucial early intervention for children born with disabilities, with 19,000 waiting for speech and language therapy.

    But sure the reason for the high disability is because everyone is lazy and feckless.

    :rolleyes:


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    #233
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    itll get you 12 tins though. enough for a days drinking.

    It's a lot to take on for an extra 15e

    I wonder if there's something else at play.


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    #234
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    You have to admire the likes of Margaret Cash. Willing to stay at home and mind her kids. Unlike a lot of people who now pay people to raise their children. If only more followed her lead.


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    #235
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-city-council-5-4956180-Jan2020/

    Dublin City Council is owed €33 million in rent arrears from its council housing tenants

    the near non existent rents, with the free money they get isnt enough! There will be a likely hike in LPT over the next year or two, why should there be! The waste and piss taking here is the issue, tax the people already paying too much, so that the piss take can continue! Its a scandal!

    back to the thread title, "one in nine children brought up in home with no working adult" what role models they are, "dont worry kids, you dont even have to pay the "rent", now off to the chipper for the fourth time this week with yee...


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    #236
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    You have to admire the likes of Margaret Cash. Willing to stay at home and mind her kids. Unlike a lot of people who now pay people to raise their children. If only more followed her lead.


    :P:P:P:P:P:P


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    #237
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-city-council-5-4956180-Jan2020/

    Dublin City Council is owed €33 million in rent arrears from its council housing tenants

    the near non existent rents, with the free money they get isnt enough! There will be a likely hike in LPT over the next year or two, why should there be! The waste and piss taking here is the issue, tax the people already paying too much, so that the piss take can continue! Its a scandal!


    I would have thought this included working people.


    Not sure why it's relevant to kids in houses with no working adult.


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    #238
    limnam
    Registered Users Posts: 9,173 ✭✭✭limnam


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    You have to admire the likes of Margaret Cash. Willing to stay at home and mind her kids. Unlike a lot of people who now pay people to raise their children. If only more followed her lead.


    I would definitely admire a government that did more so that _everyone_ can spend more time bringing up their kids.


    A lot of Nordic countries seem to do well in this.


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    #239
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users Posts: 2,928 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-city-council-5-4956180-Jan2020/

    Dublin City Council is owed €33 million in rent arrears from its council housing tenants

    the near non existent rents, with the free money they get isnt enough! There will be a likely hike in LPT over the next year or two, why should there be! The waste and piss taking here is the issue, tax the people already paying too much, so that the piss take can continue! Its a scandal!

    back to the thread title, "one in nine children brought up in home with no working adult" what role models they are, "dont worry kids, you dont even have to pay the "rent", now off to the chipper for the fourth time this week with yee...


    DCC are spending more money chasing arrears. They should provide free housing and allowing the tenants to spend the extra money on education. This will create more money through income tax in the future . Win win


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    #240
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,516 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The issue of non-employment and economic inactivity is well known:

    http://www.publicpolicyarchive.ie/one-fifth-of-households-have-little-work/

    http://economic-incentives.blogspot.com/2017/11/very-low-work-intensity-by-household.html


    We lead Europe with the number of people living in VLWI households.


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    #241
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,516 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    There were 245,000 children living in VLWI households in Ireland in 2015. The share of children in Ireland in 2015 living in VLWI households across different age categories was:

    • 17.9% of children under the age of 6 years (EU 9.2%)
    • 18.6% of children aged 6 – 11 years (EU 9.3%)
    • 22.6% of children aged 12 – 17 years (EU 9.4%)

    In 2014, approximately one-in-five (19.7%) people in VLWI households in Ireland were single parent households. The proportion of single parent households in Ireland was close to twice the EU average (10.7%). Assisting such households to secure suitable childcare may contribute to a reduction in the share of single parents and young children living in VLWI households.


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