US take out Suleimani - mod warning in OP

skepticalme

Do people think the missile attack was the total revenge for death of Suleimani? thought it was more symbolic, a show of strength at the same time he was being buried in Iran, but don't Iran play the long game, believing revenge is a dish best served cold

alastair

If there’s anything to be learned from this whole affair, it’s that the US claim to have spent billions of dollars on an Iraqi air base, that they inherited from Saddam, installed a few fabric hangers and a defence system that doesn’t work against missiles. The real winner in this is whoever’s billing massive money for old rope.

We have a very extraordinarily expensive air base that’s there. It cost billions of dollars to build. Long before my time. We’re not leaving unless they pay us back for it."

skepticalme

skepticalme wrote: »

Do people think the missile attack was the total revenge for death of Suleimani? thought it was more symbolic, a show of strength at the same time he was being buried in Iran, but don't Iran play the long game, believing revenge is a dish best served cold

It was a token gesture, to appease the unease.
Where Iran’s true revenge will lie is Cyberwarfare.

skepticalme

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

It was a token gesture, to appease the unease.
Where Iran’s true revenge will lie is Cyberwarfare.

Agree.

partyguinness

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

It was a token gesture, to appease the unease.
Where Iran’s true revenge will lie is Cyberwarfare.

Oh yeah. Iran do not actually have to do anything. Carry on as as you were. They will play the long game in long grass. Chucking a few missiles into Iraq was purely a token gesture.

LillySV

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Your post previous to this, you're sarcastically insulting all Iranian people "all lovely people".. pot meet kettle

Totally right , was wrong of me

FishOnABike

Gatling wrote: »

Trump fired 2/3. at a moving target killed his intended target,

Iran claiming they launched tens of missiles at one fairly large base claimed to have killed tens of Americans ,
Reports suggest 6 rockets made it to Iraq the other couple of dozens rockets must have either badly missed or were stopped by counter measures.

But iran says they are winning and some boardsies too


Someone is telling porkies

The first casualty in war is the truth.

ArchXStanton

ArchXStanton wrote: »

I don't think the Iranians have had enough revenge yet, I suspect they'll play the long game on this one after letting it cool down

https://www.rt.com/news/477800-iran-harsher-revenge-us-strikes/

Cheerful Spring2

Video footage of the strikes at the base. Probably a video uploaded by a US soldier?

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7EY21XBeIT/

Dytalus

alastair wrote: »

If there’s anything to be learned from this whole affair, it’s that the US claim to have spent billions of dollars on an Iraqi air base, that they inherited from Saddam, installed a few fabric hangers and a defence system that doesn’t work against missiles. The real winner in this is whoever’s billing massive money for old rope.

I woulnd't take anything Trump says at face value. Nothing's ever good, it's always the "best". Likewise, when he wants to lambast previous administrations everything is always "billions" and "worst". Superlatives are his only adjectives.

pearcider

LillySV wrote: »

It’s unbelievable what’s happening on this thread and I’m seriously questioning the moderators here... I got a warning earlier for saying nothing ... yet the Iranian fanboys are insulting the **** out of you and anyone that questions the anti American sentiment.. and if you look at their previous contributions on boards... u will see that’s all they do... attack and insult people ... and they’re not banned!!! Think it’s ok what u say here once your a leftie and hate America

Some People here don’t seem to understand that our economy relies seriously on USA, all the biggest employers here from USA and Ireland would be fuct if USA had a global meltdown and their companies closed or were to leave
That would result in loads here losing jobs , govt here would have less money to throw out to those on dole and back to education then... so all our Iranian fans be hit in the pocket then... hopefully Iran will come over and employ loads here then and boost our economy ...........

The mods here are overwhelmingly anti american. They’re the type of people that read the guardian and think communist sympathizers like Robert Fisk and Noam Chomsky are the be all and end all. Socialists basically. Never mind that socialism leads to human misery and economic catastrophe where ever it is implemented. Luckily they continue to get roundly defeated in democratic elections in the western world.

Cheerful Spring2

ArchXStanton wrote: »

https://www.rt.com/news/477800-iran-harsher-revenge-us-strikes/

Just one quote, we have to await and see what kind of action that will be. I be amazed if the starting firing more missiles at US bases again from Iran? Trump will probably hit back if the strike a second time? Iran never really said they have finished the revenge, they just said that last round was over. 

ArchXStanton

pearcider wrote: »

The mods here are overwhelmingly anti american. They’re the type of people that read the guardian and think communist sympathizers like Robert Fisk and Noam Chomsky are the be all and end all. Socialists basically. Never mind that socialism leads to human misery and economic catastrophe where ever it is implemented. Luckily they continue to get roundly defeated in democratic elections in the western world.

I've been carded 3 times in this thread so relax there lads...

pearcider

smurgen wrote: »

You don't see a problem with the black/white thinking,us v them type thinking because of money?

It’s not just money. It’s human rights, human and economic development, women’s rights, lgbt rights, freedom of political assembly and a free press. Iran has none of that and actually seeks to undermine them at every turn by spreading their extremist tentacles into Iraq and Syria and Yemen. America always defends all those rights and opposes nations that try and halt their spread. It’s the pro Iranian posters in here that are defending the indefensible.

partyguinness

pearcider wrote: »

The mods here are overwhelmingly anti american. They’re the type of people that read the guardian and think communist sympathizers like Robert Fisk and Noam Chomsky are the be all and end all. Socialists basically. Never mind that socialism leads to human misery and economic catastrophe where ever it is implemented. Luckily they continue to get roundly defeated in democratic elections in the western world.

Yeah because everyone who criticizes the US is a socialist.

Robert Fisk...a socialist...really. I have to surmise that you have never read his material...lots of big dense paragraphs and no pics I suppose.

ArchXStanton

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Just one quote, we have to await and see what kind of action that will be. I be amazed if the starting firing more missiles at US bases again from Iran? Trump will probably hit back if the strike a second time? Iran never really said they have finished the revenge, they just said that last round was over. 

I suspect they will let it die down, then something big will happen, the US will stand around shocked thinking how could this happen to us after all we're the great global liberators out to make everyone's life better, you don't assassinate someone of Suleimanis stature and expect everything to be A-OK, the Iranians can be fairly hard liners, I dont see them sitting down at a negotiation table with the US after this either.

pearcider

ArchXStanton wrote: »

I suspect they will let it die down, then something big will happen, the US will stand around shocked thinking how could this happen to us after all we're the great global liberators out to make everyone's life better, you don't assassinate someone of Suleimanis stature and expect everything to be A-OK, the Iranians can be fairly hard liners, I dont see them sitting down at a negotiation table with the US after this either.

Read between the lines here. This is the kind of poster basically wishing another 9/11 on the US. Never mind that citizens from over 100 countries were killed in the attacks. All from a childish attitude of sticking it to Uncle Sam. Sad.

Cheerful Spring2

pearcider wrote: »

It’s not just money. It’s human rights, human and economic development, women’s rights, lgbt rights, freedom of political assembly and a free press. Iran has none of that and actually seeks to undermine them at every turn by spreading their extremist tentacles into Iraq and Syria and Yemen. America always defends all those rights and opposes nations that try and halt their spread. It’s the pro Iranian posters in here that are defending the indefensible.

Wake up tourists visit Iran all the time and upload videos what it's like. Stop listening to the neocon propaganda.

You find plenty of videos like this online, of tourists meeting ordinary Iranians on the streets.

ArchXStanton

pearcider wrote: »

Read between the lines here. This is the kind of poster basically wishing another 9/11 on the US. Never mind that citizens from over 100 countries were killed in the attacks. All from a childish attitude of sticking it to Uncle Sam. Sad.

Nope, I'm actually a fairly anti war person, but I'm smart enough to see who the instigator in these things are, anywhere the US has gone it leads to nothing but death and destruction, they're the common denominator

volchitsa

pearcider wrote: »

It’s not just money. It’s human rights, human and economic development, women’s rights, lgbt rights, freedom of political assembly and a free press. Iran has none of that and actually seeks to undermine them at every turn by spreading their extremist tentacles into Iraq and Syria and Yemen. America always defends all those rights and opposes nations that try and halt their spread. It’s the pro Iranian posters in here that are defending the indefensible.

Whereas America's allies Saudi Arabia (you mention Yemen - look up what SA is doing there, and how the US is helping them) all have a great record on human rights, yeah?

Nah, it's all about money really - accuse Iran of human rights abuses but pretty much condone the murder of a US resident in Turkey by Saudi because money. If America really defended those rights, it would start by only allying itself with countries that respect them.

Anything else is just hypocrisy.

Cheerful Spring2

ArchXStanton wrote: »

I suspect they will let it die down, then something big will happen, the US will stand around shocked thinking how could this happen to us after all we're the great global liberators out to make everyone's life better, you don't assassinate someone of Suleimanis stature and expect everything to be A-OK, the Iranians can be fairly hard liners, I dont see them sitting down at a negotiation table with the US after this either.

The quote was harsher response will come soon. If true likely not far away? You could be right though and they play the long game?

IRGC are likely demanding more action, the moderates in Iran may be sidelined for now?

alastair

pearcider wrote: »

Read between the lines here. This is the kind of poster basically wishing another 9/11 on the US. Never mind that citizens from over 100 countries were killed in the attacks. All from a childish attitude of sticking it to Uncle Sam. Sad.

Once again - the Iranians have been fighting the people who were responsible for 9/11. The US is in bed with the nation that all those responsible came from. There’s a childishness at play here alright, but it’s not where you think.

ollkiller

pearcider wrote: »

The mods here are overwhelmingly anti american. They’re the type of people that read the guardian and think communist sympathizers like Robert Fisk and Noam Chomsky are the be all and end all. Socialists basically. Never mind that socialism leads to human misery and economic catastrophe where ever it is implemented. Luckily they continue to get roundly defeated in democratic elections in the western world.

Have you actually ever read an article by Robert Fisk. His articles about the Middle East are second to none and you would know this if you ever read one of them. And how you would summarize him to be a socialist is beyond me.

Billy Mays

pearcider wrote: »

It’s not just money. It’s human rights, human and economic development, women’s rights, lgbt rights, freedom of political assembly and a free press. Iran has none of that and actually seeks to undermine them at every turn by spreading their extremist tentacles into Iraq and Syria and Yemen. America always defends all those rights and opposes nations that try and halt their spread. It’s the pro Iranian posters in here that are defending the indefensible.

Just like the GOP

Curious_Case

Tehran looks like a stunning, aesthetically sophisticated city.

(There's a pause button for the fast scrolling photos)

http://icrom.ir/registration-and-travel/about-tehran/

Cheerful Spring2

pearcider wrote: »

The mods here are overwhelmingly anti american. They’re the type of people that read the guardian and think communist sympathizers like Robert Fisk and Noam Chomsky are the be all and end all. Socialists basically. Never mind that socialism leads to human misery and economic catastrophe where ever it is implemented. Luckily they continue to get roundly defeated in democratic elections in the western world.

Read about the distinction between states like North Korea and Norway and many others.
The Scandinavian model- is democratic socalism. And for years it was shown they have the best standard of living in the world. Least that was case years ago?

China has its issues with human rights and personal freedom. China still is a communist a country ( Soviet Union) was too,  but Chinese adapted and now they economically the second most powerful country in the world just below US who sits at number one., and some analysts believe in reality, they are number one due to their lack of indebtedness unlike the US. 

walshb

Curious_Case wrote: »

Tehran looks like a stunning, aesthetically sophisticated city.

(There's a pause button for the fast scrolling photos)

http://icrom.ir/registration-and-travel/about-tehran/

Let's hope the U.S. don't go in all gung-ho destroying it.

charlie14

LillySV wrote: »

It’s unbelievable what’s happening on this thread and I’m seriously questioning the moderators here... I got a warning earlier for saying nothing ... yet the Iranian fanboys are insulting the **** out of you and anyone that questions the anti American sentiment.. and if you look at their previous contributions on boards... u will see that’s all they do... attack and insult people ... and they’re not banned!!! Think it’s ok what u say here once your a leftie and hate America

Some People here don’t seem to understand that our economy relies seriously on USA, all the biggest employers here from USA and Ireland would be fuct if USA had a global meltdown and their companies closed or were to leave
That would result in loads here losing jobs , govt here would have less money to throw out to those on dole and back to education then... so all our Iranian fans be hit in the pocket then... hopefully Iran will come over and employ loads here then and boost our economy ...........

Are you somehow attempting to say that because American companies employ people in this state that we should not express our opinions on American meddling in Middle East affairs ?

You are apparently a fan of the USA so I imagine you are aware of their governing constitution.

If you are not then perhaps just give it even a cursory glance.
What you appear to believe we as citizens of another state should not do for financial reasons, is guaranteed as a right under the American constitution without any mention of not being allowed to do so for financial reasons.

Curious_Case

walshb wrote: »

Let's hope the U.S. don't go in all gung-ho destroying it.

Exactly, less likely if everyone is aware that it's a spectacular place.

Cheerful Spring2

charlie14 wrote: »

Are you somehow attempting to say that because American companies employ people in this state that we should not express our opinions on American meddling in Middle East affairs ?

You are apparently a fan of the USA so I imagine you are aware of their governing constitution.

If you are not then perhaps just give it even a cursory glance.
What you appear to believe we as citizens of another state should not do for financial reasons, is guaranteed as a right under the American constitution without any mention of not being allowed to do so for financial reasons.

Some individuals can't separate the difference- US economic boom that was good for Europe and Ireland, and their foreign policy in recent times thats bad.
US companies come to Europe to escape taxes thats the reality, though it good for a country like Ireland that has no substantial industry of it's own. 

You not anti- American if you don't admire their foreign policy. Plus many Americans are not happy about endless wars in the middle east. They want this money spend upgrading their own country.