US take out Suleimani - mod warning in OP

ArchXStanton

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

More info here https://news.sky.com/story/senior-iranian-commander-vows-to-take-harsher-revenge-soon-after-missile-attacks-11904293

Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the head of Iran's Revolutionary Guards aerospace force, added that Tehran's missile strikes on bases in Iraq were intended to damage the US' military machine and not kill troops.

The commander added that driving American troops out of the Middle East is the "appropriate revenge" for the US killing of Major General Qassem Soleimani.

His words came after another senior Iranian commander said Tehran will take "harsher revenge soon" after missile attacks on US targets in Iraq.

"In a news conference covered by Iranian state media, Revolutionary Guards aerospace commander Brig-Gen Hajizadeh said Iran had been prepared to fire hundreds or even thousands of missiles. In the event fewer than 20 were fired.

The intention had not been to kill any US troops, he said, but the operation could have been planned in such a way that as many as 500 died in the first stage, and thousands more if the US had responded.

"We had thought that the clash would continue for three days to one week. We had prepared a few thousand missiles for such circumstances,"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51051826

A BloodBath really was avoided that night

ollkiller

pearcider wrote: »

Fisk hates America and loves Islam that’s clear from all his writings. He’s the most biased journalist I’ve ever read on the Middle East.

When he was nearly battered to death in Afghanistan by a mob, he blamed America. I’m serious. He’s a socialist in the truest sense of absolving people from their individual responsibility in favor of deferring to the collective ideology in this case militant Islam was the mobs first loyalty and not human decency. He’s a fruitcake.

I needed a laugh. Thanks.

Two of Robert's own quotes.
"I think it is the duty of a foreign correspondent to be neutral and unbiased on the side of those who suffer, whoever they may be."

"Journalism must challenge authority, all authority, especially so when governments and politicians take us to war."

Methinks you hate him because he dosen't subscribe to your worldview. If i want to get a detailed analysis of something in the Middle East it's him that i read. Also he put forward doubts about the gas attacks in Syria. If he was militant Islam wouldn't he be going gung ho reporting the gas attacks (link below).

Link https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemical-attack-gas-douma-robert-fisk-ghouta-damascus-a8307726.html

s7ryf3925pivug

Manic Moran wrote: »

And there's another stereotype which is false.

Infantry are normally comprised of the better segments of society. Those seeking adventure, a challenge, or just factors like patriotism or family legacy. The folks who join the Army to get out of a bad situation normally also choose a career field which gives them more marketable skills such as vehicle or aircraft mechanic, medic, logistics, etc.

A related problem is racial demographics. The folks who choose infantry (or armor) are disproportionately white (You are almost twice as likely to be a combat arms soldier if you're white than any other race). This is related to lower segments of society bring disproportionately minority and choosing other skills, but there are other factors as well. As advancement to the highest ranks generally requires combat service, the end result is that the senior military leadership is also disproportionately white, and issue which the military is trying (not necessarily successfully) to deal with. It is for this reason (women in high ranks) that combat arms were recently opened to females.

Finally, the military gets most of its recruits from the middle class. The highest and lowest quintiles of the US population by neighborhood affluence are the least represented in the military. The highest percentage of recruits come from right in the middle, the quintile with a household income of $51k-64k/year.

https://www.cna.org/pop-rep/2017/summary/summary.pdf may make interesting reading for you.

Or feel free to continue your stereotyping.

https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1P3-44406101/natural-killers-turning-the-tide-of-battle

This is a journal paper that was written by a US officer. It advocates the utility of psychopaths as combat soldiers. They are fearless and happy to kill enemies, while non-psychopaths experience fear and a reticence to kill.

One of the points he makes is that the average IQ of a regular combat soldier is significantly lower than average, but the average IQ of psychopath combat soldiers is the same as the national average.

I wouldn't call them inbred hillbillies. I would say that the army is a viable career path for people whose options might be limited for one reason or another

Cheerful Spring2

ArchXStanton wrote: »

"In a news conference covered by Iranian state media, Revolutionary Guards aerospace commander Brig-Gen Hajizadeh said Iran had been prepared to fire hundreds or even thousands of missiles. In the event fewer than 20 were fired.

The intention had not been to kill any US troops, he said, but the operation could have been planned in such a way that as many as 500 died in the first stage, and thousands more if the US had responded.

"We had thought that the clash would continue for three days to one week. We had prepared a few thousand missiles for such circumstances,"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51051826

A BloodBath really was avoided that night

This is a military briefing by Iran. They prepared graphs, pictures and illustrations of what they went after inside the base and missiles they used. Unfortunately, the broadcast not in English.
BBC includes some photographs i posted yesterday on their site now. Iran blasted a lot of structures.

12 missiles hit the base-5 direct hits we can see marked out on the BBC images. There something not being shown by the US, i noticed a heavy scorned very dark space up at very high left side of the base, but the images released only show this part of the base, unfortunately. I have feeling ( maybe nothing) Iran hit other things, but we not getting the pictures right now.

partyguinness

Nickolas Nutty Dunce wrote: »

https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1P3-44406101/natural-killers-turning-the-tide-of-battle

This is a journal paper that was written by a US officer. It advocates the utility of psychopaths as combat soldiers. They are fearless and happy to kill enemies, while non-psychopaths experience fear and a reticence to kill.

One of the points he makes is that the average IQ of a regular combat soldier is significantly lower than average, but the average IQ of psychopath combat soldiers is the same as the national average.

I wouldn't call them inbred hillbillies. I would say that the army is a viable career path for people whose options might be limited for one reason or another

When I was working in the US I met a lot of people in college etc but they could only afford it because by spending a few years in the Army the Army would fund their studies afterwards.

I remember one guy in medical school (half Filipino) who had been in the Navy for 2 years I think. He would never have been able to afford it otherwise. In fact him and many others just joined purely for that and prayed they would not see any 'action'.

GM228

Preliminary report has been released according to this news piece from the Iran Civil Aviation Organisation:-

https://www.cao.ir/news/organizatioal/detail?public_content=27450&title=%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%B1%D8%B3%D9%8A-%D8%B3%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AD%D9%87--%D9%BE%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B2-752--%D8%B4%D8%B1%DA%A9%D8%AA-%D9%87%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%BE%D9%8A%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%8A-%D8%A7%DA%A9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%86%D9%8A-%D9%85%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B4%D8%B1-%D8%B4%D8%AF

English Translation wrote:

Initial report of 752 Ukrainian Airlines Flight Accident Report released
Release Time: January 23, 2020 at 9:50 pm

The preliminary report on the accident investigation of the Ukrainian plane was released by the National Aviation Accident Investigation Team.

Ali Abedzadeh, head of the National Aviation Authority, said in a statement that measures taken since the launch of the investigation so far are based on a number of key issues, including: gathering preliminary information, setting up a crisis management team in the area, dispatching rescue teams to search and rescue sites, The first steps were to get passengers information from the airline and other authorities, such as the Migration Police, identifying the accident investigator and dispatching the accident team to the scene, Imam Khomeini Airport and Mehrabad Airport.Initial notification of the accident was carried out and according to the Code of Conduct for Civil Aviation Accidents and Incidents approved by the Cabinet, 11 accident investigation teams were formed.

The head of the civil aviation agency said: flight recorders (black boxes) have been found and have been handed over to the accident investigator. Documentation and evidence of the crash site were reviewed and the remaining parts of the aircraft were collected and transported to a safe location. Black boxes containing the Flight Recorder (FDR) and the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) were found by search and rescue agents and are in the possession of the accident investigation team. Both devices were damaged by accident and fire. There is memory in both devices, but physical damage is visible on them.

Abedzadeh stated that the Accident Investigation Team, in accordance with the standards set forth in annex 13 of the Chicago Convention, invited all States recognized as beneficiaries of this document to introduce their representatives in the disaster investigation process and now designate their own specialized team. And they are in the process of sending their aircraft to Iran to carry out their duties.

Describing the flight conditions of the aircraft, he said: "The aircraft first rises to an altitude of 8,000 feet and then the aircraft's information is removed from the radar screen and the aircraft collides with the ground and collapses. No radio messages were received by the pilot regarding unusual circumstances. According to eyewitness reports (people on the ground and high-altitude flight crew who observed and reported the incident), a fire was observed and added to the range, and after the aircraft collided with the ground, an explosion caused a collision. The crash happened and the plane's trajectory indicates that the plane was initially heading westward, turning right after the problem and was on its way back to the airport at the time of the crash.

He further said: "The accident site documentation shows that the plane's first collision with the ground was in the grounds of an amusement park. Has been.

Abedzadeh continued: Initial notification was given to Ukraine as the country of registration of the aircraft, the United States as the manufacturer, Sweden and Canada as the applicant countries whose nationals were in the aircraft, and Ukraine requested to be involved in the accident review process. Has introduced a team to participate in the disaster investigation, identification and transfer of the bodies of its nationals and other duties under the circumstances of the registrant and exploiter country, whose representatives will soon arrive in the country.

He said the plane had 167 passengers and nine crew members, all of whom died in the crash. There were 146 passengers with Iranian passports, 10 with Afghan passports, 5 with Canadian passports, 4 with Swedish passports, and 2 with Ukrainian passports and 9 flight crews, all of whom were Ukrainian nationals.

The head of the Civil Aviation Authority also said: "Some passengers may have multiple nationalities and be reported in another report with another nationality." The above list relates to a passport that left the Islamic Republic of Iran. The bodies and remains of the occupants were identified and transported to forensic medicine under the supervision of judicial authorities for identification and transfer formalities.

By gathering and completing the information, he said, the latest findings of the accident investigation will be formally published and publicly available.

The scheduled flight of Boeing 752 to Tehran-Kyiv Boeing 737-800 from the Ukrainian International Airlines with a UR-PSR registration mark departing from the park at 5:45 minutes and departing at 06:13 on Wednesday. 2010/8/18 Flight from Imam Khomeini Airport Runway. The above flight, under the control of the Imam Khomeini Airport Watch Tower, continued to climb, then delivered to the Mehrabad Flight Approximation Unit and was allowed to rise to 26,000 feet. After cutting off communication with the traffic control unit at 6:18 pm near Saba Shahr, Tehran province fell.

Abedzadeh at the end criticized some of the material published in the cyber space regarding the accident of the Ukrainian plane and the issue of the black boxes on the plane. Failure to send overseas flight registration boxes was a mistake taken by the reporter

There must be dual passport holders (as already suggested) because this does not agree with the previously released nationals information:-

He said the plane had 167 passengers and nine crew members, all of whom died in the crash. There were 146 passengers with Iranian passports, 10 with Afghan passports, 5 with Canadian passports, 4 with Swedish passports, and 2 with Ukrainian passports and 9 flight crews, all of whom were Ukrainian nationals.

Cheerful Spring2

BBC image. 4 different areas, and least 4 sites. 1 missile may have missed. Not sure if multiple missiles hit one location?

There images taken from so high up, so we can't see what they took out in the 4 locations.

alastair

charlie14 wrote: »

There must be dual passport holders (as already suggested) because this does not agree with the previously released nationals information:-

Most, if not all the Canadians were dual nationals - 28 of them a wedding party and guests.

Mahony0509

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1215309657423732737?s=20

Yurt2

The regime must be extremely fragile and nervous at the moment. While there were plenty of loyalists out on the streets for the funeral, the last month has shown there are at least as many who think the current set-up stinks, and many Iranians in diaspora who hold the same opinion.

Tense times in Iran, it could go any number of ways.

Outlaw Pete

https://twitter.com/CBSThisMorning/status/1215313078918746113

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2

US claims of minimal damage; I think they are lying?

cameramonkey

Gatling wrote: »

You should be embarrassed, your take on it was that the aircraft was hit by a missile that was fired at the US air bases. It really was an idiotic idea lacking any credibility, in fact a lot like most of your contributions.

cameramonkey

double

Gatling

cameramonkey wrote: »

You should be embarrassed, your take on it was that the aircraft was hit by a missile

Yes I did .

Yessss I did


No point throwing abuse at me .

Cheerful Spring2

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CBSThisMorning/status/1215313078918746113

The officials are US intelligence based out of the Pentagon.

The other day they said they tracked no missile launch by Iran to hit the plane. Now they saying something different today?

charlie14

J Mysterio wrote: »

Survey of US public. Where is Iran?
https://twitter.com/JulienHoez/status/1214934632011055106

What is their gripe with Greece ?
Some serious carpet bombing going on in that area.:)

cameramonkey

Gatling wrote: »

Yes I did .

Yessss I did


No point throwing abuse at me .

A missile fired at the US air bases was what you said.



I think that your embarrassed emoji triggered me, it seemed flippant in the face of all those that have died and those who have lost mothers, fathers, children.. That is why I was curt.

osarusan

CBS twitter reporting that the Iranian Civil Aviation Authority has said the US claims are 'simply not true' while some website affiliated with the Revolutionary Guard has called it a conspiracy cooked up by the opposition.

Just when we thought things had settled down a bit.

Cheerful Spring2

osarusan wrote: »

CBS twitter reporting that the Iranian Civil Aviation Authority has said the US claims are 'simply not true' while some website affiliated with the Revolutionary Guard has called it a conspiracy cooked up by the opposition.

Just when we thought things had settled down a bit.

US intelligence picked up signals of the radar being turned on & satellite detected infrared blips of 2 missile launches, probably SA-15s

If true, what they claim they saw no launch by Iran 2 hours after the strike?

Iranian version of TOr missile system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_missile_system

Gatling

osarusan wrote: »

CBS twitter reporting that the Iranian Civil Aviation Authority has said the US claims are 'simply not true' while some website affiliated with the Revolutionary Guard has called it a conspiracy cooked up by the opposition.

Just when we thought things had settled down a bit.

It was always going to happen iran spun several large tales about the shooting down , exactly like Russia did with flight MH-17 all which were repeated across boards verbatim(some of the posters are still active) and many other discussion forums such as Reddit.

We've gone from no ,no ,no it couldn't have been,it was technical fault ,it was a fire according to Iran and people on here repeating verbatim,
One suggested an American missile did it .

And yet here are .


Can't wait for more abusive posts lol

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

Can't wait for more abusive posts lol

I knew there had to be some motivation for your posting one ludicrous post after another.

GM228

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

US intelligence picked up signals of the radar being turned on & satellite detected infrared blips of 2 missile launches, probably SA-15s

If true, what they claim they saw no launch by Iran 2 hours after the strike?

Air on the side of caution, wait (unlike some of us) for more conclusive/verified evidence before making claims, to be fair as I pointed out from the outset there was hints of a shoot down, or rather that it wasn't a simple engine fire/failure.

osarusan

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

US intelligence picked up signals of the radar being turned on & satellite detected infrared blips of 2 missile launches, probably SA-15s

If true, what they claim they saw no launch by Iran 2 hours after the strike?

Obviously I haven't a clue.

Perhaps that was premilinary intel data, and now they have a more definite picture.

Perhaps they are talking crap, though I can't see why they'd make such claims unless they are confident they can back it up, as it would be a massive own goal otherwise.

pearcider

alastair wrote: »

I knew there had to be some motivation for your posting one ludicrous post after another.

Says the lad defending the rogue state that just blew up a civilian airliner.

cameramonkey

GM228 wrote: »

Air on the side of caution, wait (unlike some of us) for more conclusive/verified evidence before making claims, to be fair as I pointed out from the outset there was hints of a shoot down, or rather that it wasn't a simple engine fire/failure.

The likelihood that it was a a coincidence is unlikely. A huge amount of twitchy air defense units waiting for a US attack and a plane crashing at the same time is probably more than a coincidence.

cameramonkey

pearcider wrote: »

Says the lad defending the rogue state that just blew up a civilian airliner.

Many states blow up aircraft by accident , its more common than we would like.

charlie14

alastair wrote: »

Most, if not all the Canadians were dual nationals - 28 of them a wedding party and guests.

Something awry here.


That post you replied to is headed as being mine, but I didn`t post it.

pearcider

Gatling wrote: »

It was always going to happen iran spun several large tales about the shooting down , exactly like Russia did with flight MH-17 all which were repeated across boards verbatim(some of the posters are still active) and many other discussion forums such as Reddit.

We've gone from no ,no ,no it couldn't have been,it was technical fault ,it was a fire according to Iran and people on here repeating verbatim,
One suggested an American missile did it .

And yet here are .


Can't wait for more abusive posts lol

Lunatic fringe in here. No logic just orange man bad. Even though all their day to day energy and fuel comes from resources and trade lanes secured 24/7/365 by the US navy. I wish they’d piss off and live in lalala land with the ayatollahs.