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US take out Suleimani - mod warning in OP

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    #392
    mulbot
    Registered Users Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭mulbot


    greenpilot wrote: »
    This is not well thought out by Trump and I would suspect went against military advice. I have bff een following the gradual and steady development of Irans aerospace and defense industries over the last 10 or so years and I can guarantee you that a war with Iran will be unlike anything the Middle East has seen before. Iran has planned for incidences like this for years and mark my words, their response will be measured as and precise. You do not need high tech weaponry in order to sustain a defence against a so called superior enemy. A cursory search on the internet will fill you in on the unique military strategies Iran has trained for pertaining to any expected escalation.
    If I was serving on any bases within 200-300 km of the Iranian border, I would be bolstering my security.
    Iran plays the long game and have a surprisingly simple and extensive reach.
    There is much talk about how unsophisticated their military is. As the song goes "China in my hand...."
    Ps, the same strategy was assumed in Vietnam as anyone who remembers it will attest to.

    And hopefully it's a very successful response


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    #393
    greenpilot
    Registered Users Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    The 2020s wrote: »
    The Iranian Air Force have F-14s. Hardly the most modern military fighter.

    The aerial platform is not the issue here, their reverse engineered, Improved and more effective AG missile systems are the real threat here.


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    #394
    The 2020s
    Site Banned Posts: 29 ✭The 2020s


    WW3 and Franz Ferdinand are trending on Twitter ATM - could this be history repeating itself?


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    #395
    Cheerful Spring2
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    Gatling wrote: »
    you do realise American bases are highly defended

    You seem to believe iran can take on the world based off the handful of low level strikes on saudi ,
    Iran won't risk the majority of its military infrastructure on the hopes they might get a strike on an American building let alone any military aircraft

    I just don't predict the US to dominant Iran unless they choose to Invade with millions of men with help from its allies. Iran ballistic missiles are a real threat to US service bases in this region. During the Iraq war US could launch fighter planes from bases and aircraft carriers and launch missiles from ships. Iran has the capability to lock on and target all those positions across the middle east. If Iran launches a hundred cruise missiles at one base i don't think the defences are strong enough to repeal this barrage? 


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    #396
    The 2020s
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    TeaBagMania wrote: »
    Why was an Iranian General in Iraq? He certainly wasn't there for a vacation!

    The Iranian government and military are heavily involved in Iraq.

    The violent protests over the last few months in Iraq where about stopping the overwhelming Iranian influence in the country.


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    #397
    Snow Garden
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Not if their operating sorties out of bases in the middle east. US aerial threat conditional on being able to leave the base and land. If Iran starts a massive strike against US bases in the region, you impact the US ability to strike forcefully. Unless of course they go nuclear and Iran has no defence.
    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    I just don't predict the US to dominant Iran unless they choose to Invade with millions of men with help from its allies. Iran ballistic missiles are a real threat to US service bases in this region. During the Iraq war US could launch fighter planes from bases and aircraft carriers and launch missiles from ships. Iran has the capability to lock on and target all those positions across the middle east. If Iran launches a hundred cruise missiles at one base i don't think the defences are strong enough to repeal this barrage?

    Ah stop. Iran doesn't like the USA - shock horror!
    The Ayatollah is threating bad things against the USA - shock horror!
    It's election year, simple as that. This will be forgotten and resolved in backchannel diplomacy.
    Don't live your life in fear. It's an utter waste of time.
    Now where are my iodine pills....


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    #398
    greenpilot
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    jackboy wrote: »
    I’d say a lot of Iranians have more hate for their own regime than the ‘west’.

    This is the biggest myth in the ME. I've lived in both Iran and Syria ( old man in Armed Forces) and 90% of the people are extremely patriotic and Nationalistic. Think Nationalists in NI X 100. They tolerate their regimes because the snakes (think dictatorships) keep the main tribes apart and, by extension, maintains peace. Look what happened when Saddam and our Lybian friend were removed.
    Iranians are extremely proud, intelligent and very well educated. Also one of most confusing countries I've ever been to!


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    #399
    Cheerful Spring2
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    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Ah stop. Iran doesn't like the USA - shock horror!
    The Ayatollah is threating bad things against the USA - shock horror!
    It's election year, simple as that. This will be forgotten and resolved in backchannel diplomacy.
    Don't live your life in fear. It's an utter waste of time.
    Now where are my iodine pills....

    I guess you forgotten the middle east has seen sustained war since 2003.  So it not lazy thinking to fear another war is looming in the region. When you kill Iran top general by a US drone strike and supposing no response, that for me is lazy thinking!


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    #400
    tigerboon
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    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Ah stop. Iran doesn't like the USA - shock horror!
    The Ayatollah is threating bad things against the USA - shock horror!
    It's election year, simple as that. This will be forgotten and resolved in backchannel diplomacy.

    Suleimani's head on a plate might be some of the backchannel diplomacy.


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    #401
    cameramonkey
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    The Israelis wanted him dead and with the elections in the US coming up they couldn't be sure if Trump/ Kushner would be still in government in the future. With Bibi running US policy on the Middle East it was time for the US to do what the Israel wanted.

    That is why Pompeo and Netanyahu talked late Wednesday. Bibi even tweeted on Jan 2nd that very, very dramatic things are happening. Israel and Qatar seem to be the only foreign powers that knew in advance , I wonder why?

    The Israelis will be very happy and as usual if attacked will fight to the very last drop of US soldier's blood.


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    #402
    perrito caliente
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭perrito caliente


    These guys have fomented rebellions in other countries, made use of mercenaries and terrorists to destabilise foreign states, engaged in countless wars and occupations under false pretences thereby killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, stolen property and natural resources on a gargantuan scale, sabotaged the economic development of poverty stricken countries, participated in torture and rendition, carried out medical testing on vulnerable and innocent people, treated their own poor and ethnic minorities as appallingly as any other industrialised nation, carried out show trials to obscure the truth, used nuclear weapons on civilian targets, and still some people blindly waddle in their shadow, muttering incoherently about babies and incubators, a certain dictator personally doling out Viagra to his army of rapists, opining that the Vietnamese initiated the Vietnam War, that if only Assad had moved aside everything in Syria would have been okay, or weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the evil mullahs, the deliberate targeting of children by snipers etc. etc. etc.


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    #403
    jackboy
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    perrito caliente wrote: »
    These guys have fomented rebellions in other countries, made use of mercenaries and terrorists to destabilise foreign states, engaged in countless wars and occupations under false pretences thereby killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, stolen property and natural resources on a gargantuan scale, sabotaged the economic development of poverty stricken countries, participated in torture and rendition, carried out medical testing on vulnerable and innocent people, treated their own poor and ethnic minorities as appallingly as any other industrialised nation, carried out show trials to obscure the truth, used nuclear weapons on civilian targets, and still some people blindly waddle in their shadow, muttering incoherently about babies and incubators, a certain dictator personally doling out Viagra to his army of rapists, opining that the Vietnamese initiated the Vietnam War, that if only Assad had moved aside everything in Syria would have been okay, or weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the evil mullahs, the deliberate targeting of children by snipers etc. etc. etc.
    Impressive first post.


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    #404
    ArchXStanton
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    jackboy wrote: »
    Impressive first post.

    He's not wrong though...


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    #405
    greenpilot
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    cameramonkey wrote: »
    The Israelis wanted him dead and with the elections in the US coming up they couldn't be sure if Trump/ Kushner would be still in government in the future. With Bibi running US policy on the Middle East it was time for the US to do what the Israel wanted.

    That is why Pompeo and Netanyahu talked late Wednesday. Bibi even tweeted on Jan 2nd that very, very dramatic things are happening. Israel and Qatar seem to be the only foreign powers that knew in advance , I wonder why?

    The Israelis will be very happy and as usual if attacked will fight to the very last drop of US soldier's blood.

    I agree with the above, but, if the US attacks, Syrian and Iranian forces will move to take back the Golan heights. Approximately 100,000 rockets over the border in Lebanon will be fired towards Israel and the monarchy in Jordan, who is populated by over 250000 Palestinians, will fold as they rebel. Both Israel and the US will be stretched across many fronts.
    There is a lot more to this than meets the eye. And by the way, if any of you have ever seen the Golan Heights, you would drive across its width in 20mins.
    Jordan , one of the more Westernized countries in the ME, has a truce with Israel and is friendly with the US, which provided them with shiny new Humvees when I was there..


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    #406
    Fonny122
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    Snow Garden wrote: »
    It's election year, simple as that. This will be forgotten and resolved in backchannel diplomacy.
    .
    It worked great when you were surely saying the same in 2003 as Bush pushed for his own reelection/oil war, qdidn't it? Things have just been f***ing wonderful since then in the middle east and in terms of Islamic extremism etc.


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    #407
    James Brown
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    This is pretty good.
    The clip is here.
    Trump calls declaring war on Iran to win an election ‘pathetic’ in since-deleted video from 2011
    https://globalnews.ca/video/6361935/trump-calls-declaring-war-on-iran-to-win-an-election-pathetic-in-since-deleted-video-from-2011


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    #408
    Gatling
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    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    During the Iraq war US could launch fighter planes from bases and aircraft carriers and launch missiles from ships. Iran has the capability to lock on and target all those positions across the middle east. If Iran launches a hundred cruise missiles at one base i don't think the defences are strong enough to repeal this barrage? 

    Lol yeah no
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    #409
    Kermit.de.frog
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    We have Iran's "harsh" response.

    "Legal measures"

    https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1213178430507929605


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    #410
    TheValeyard
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    We have Iran's "harsh" response.

    "Legal measures"

    https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1213178430507929605

    Well at least it's calm heads.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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    #411
    X111111111111
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    Great move by the President. One less terrorist on the planet. Result.


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    #412
    KWAG2019
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    We have Iran's "harsh" response.

    "Legal measures"

    https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1213178430507929605

    First, prepare the battlefield.


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    #413
    Limpy
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    "Sponsored" mass killings in Trump hotels would be a good start.


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    #414
    X111111111111
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    KWAG2019 wrote: »
    First, prepare the battlefield.

    Lol there will be no battlefield. You might get a couple of nut jobs with semtex strapped to their bodies running at American embassies somewhere but Iran would get destroyed in an all out war. They know their place.


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    #415
    jackboy
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    Limpy wrote: »
    "Sponsored" mass killings in Trump hotels would be a good start.

    Disgraceful post.


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    #416
    Fonny122
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    X111111111111 wrote: »
    Lol there will be no battlefield. You might get a couple of nut jobs with semtex strapped to their bodies running at American embassies somewhere but Iran would get destroyed in an all out war. They know their place.
    Oh look, another one who supported war in Iraq back in 2003 because there would be absolutely no fall out and it would all be wrapped up in a few weeks.


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    #417
    Limpy
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    X111111111111 wrote: »
    Lol there will be no battlefield. You might get a couple of nut jobs with semtex strapped to their bodies running at American embassies somewhere but Iran would get destroyed in an all out war. They know their place.

    The Afghans were a lot poorer and the US are losing there.


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    #418
    Fonny122
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    jackboy wrote: »
    Disgraceful post.

    It actually reads exactly like something you would expect to see from Trump and his supporters.


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    #419
    Limpy
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    jackboy wrote: »
    Disgraceful post.

    If Americans bring Terror to foreign lands there should be a heavy price.


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    #420
    Limpy
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    Fonny122 wrote: »
    It actually reads exactly like something you would expect to see from Trump and his supporters.

    I think its fair that if you are the aggressor, and the US has been for a long time, then the retaliation should be harsh.


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    #421
    Kermit.de.frog
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    Limpy wrote: »
    If Americans bring Terror to foreign lands there should be a heavy price.

    What terror are they bringing?


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