US take out Suleimani - mod warning in OP

ChikiChiki

jackboy wrote: »

Wow. Why all the hatred for the US? The guy they killed is not exactly a saint.

I don't agree with that posters sentiments but enough is enough.

The US are troublemakers going around looking for phony wars. Making up bulls**t lies to create wars. The effects of this policy are devastating.

Trump was valiantly against starting war with Iran in 2011 when Obama was in power and now he looks to drum up war going into an election and at a time when he is being impeached. It's so hypocritical and transparent, its not even funny.

Europe suffers the backlash. Absolute war monger nation.

jackboy

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

because they have kicked off a war?

No they haven’t. The Iranian regime is finished if a war starts and they know it.

They are probably now trying to decide what is the worst retaliation they can do without starting a war.

Limpy

jackboy wrote: »

No they haven’t. The Iranian regime is finished if a war starts and they know it.

They are probably now trying to decide what is the worst retaliation they can do without starting a war.

How many dead US soldiers is it worth? Honest question.

Stacksofwacks

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

Iran will definitley retaliate

They probably won't, not right away at least. They are smart enough to realize, let the manchild have his moment and it'll all be forgotten in a week he'll move onto something else. That's how little credibility he has, even America's enemies don't take his airstrikes seriously

Cody montana

Super-Rush wrote: »

Nothing is gonna happen.

There won't be any war so stop panicking.

You think Iran are going to stand down now?

kravmaga

rockatansky wrote: »

That is some escalation by the USA. The General was probably only second to the Ayatollah in terms of power in Iran.

I would have said he was off limits before this. Will be interesting to see how both Iraq and Hezbollah in Lebanon respond to this.

He was never off limits, there have been several assassination attempts on his life by Israel secret service Mossad and USA previously.

The Americans have been restrained in recent months, the Iranians have been escalating their proxy war incidents of late against Saudi and US interests, who do you think attacked the oil fields in Saudi Arabia recently?

Once the US Embassy was attacked in Baghdad, that was the end of US restraint in the region.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

same as always did.

war for resources.

This is NOT war for resources ..this is Trump constructing a distraction the macabre theater that has been his presidency.

They must have known who was near in and around the airport and its been reported Trump ordered it. Its deliberately and stupidly provocative. Trump did it on purpose. Its a prop to aid his second presidency campaign.

jackboy

Limpy wrote: »

How many dead US soldiers is it worth? Honest question.

The Iranians will try to retaliate without killing American soldiers. They may fire a few of their ****e rockets somewhere or do something with a tanker again.

Limpy

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

They probably won't, not right away at least. They are smart enough to realize, let the manchild have his moment and it'll all be forgotten in a week he'll move onto something else. That's how little credibility he has, even America's enemies don't take his airstrikes seriously

I think it all start after the funerals. 1000s will attend. The important thing is if the Iraqi government passes legislation calling for the removal of troop's then the Iraqi soldiers won't protect any bases ect.

Limpy

jackboy wrote: »

The Iranians will try to retaliate without killing American soldiers. They may fire a few of their ****e rockets somewhere or do something with a tanker again.

Answer the question.

jackboy

Limpy wrote: »

Answer the question.

What question?

ILoveYourVibes

jackboy wrote: »

The Iranians will try to retaliate without killing American soldiers. They may fire a few of their ****e rockets somewhere or do something with a tanker again.

No ..bye bye israel. That's who they will attack.

Signore Fancy Pants

NIMAN wrote: »

What was one of Iran's top military men doing in Iraq?

Im not having a go at you here, so please don't think that I am. You did want to hear from other more knowledgable people.

You maintain that this strike wont lead to anything substantial and hopefully it wont but this post alone shows your lack of knowledge of the situation which is of course perfectly fine.

Soleimani was the head of the al-Quds unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps or the IRGC.

This is Iran's extraterritorial military componant who have supported Iranian backed militias in the Middle East, Asia and the Balkans.

It isnt unusual for Soleimani to be in Syria, Lebanon or Iraq.

Kermit.de.frog

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's a high stakes distraction from Trumps impeachment trial. The fallout is uncertain but war is a low probably. Good move by Trump, I'd say.

You believe Trump put any thought in to this?

Does he put any thought in to anything else?

nthclare

Supposedly Netanyahu has left Greece so as to decide what to do next.
Hopefully Hezbolla won't start firing rockets from all direct, id say things are quite heated in the Shia quarters of the middle East that's for sure.

ILoveYourVibes

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You believe Trump put any thought in to this?

Does he put any thought in to anything else?

You would think there would be some kind of parliamentary process to stop him you know just in case the president is a total nutjob ...checks and balances.

I mean give the generals some kind of autonomy ..so they can avoid doing stupid stuff.

Limpy

nthclare wrote: »

Supposedly Netanyahu has left Greece so as to decide what to do next.
Hopefully Hezbolla won't start firing rockets from all direct, id say things are quite heated in the Shia quarters of the middle East that's for sure.

Bibi has been killing Muslims for year's that's not news. Now the chance to distract people from his corruption charges is. Bibi has a horn for Trump, what's happening now is the reason.

ILoveYourVibes

jackboy wrote: »

The Iranians will try to retaliate without killing American soldiers. They may fire a few of their ****e rockets somewhere or do something with a tanker again.

They will also sponsor terrorism.

babybuilder

NIMAN wrote: »

Exactly.

Some on here are saying this is massive and going to lead to this and that.

For me and you in Ireland, it'll have no impact. Other than maybe oil getting dearer.

Other than leading to an existential threat.

Larbre34

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No ..bye bye israel. That's who they will attack.

Yeah they probably will through proxy rocket attacks, which is nothing new for Israel. And has already been said, Bibi will be only delighted with a bit of nationalistic fervor in the run up to the third election attempt in March and with his court cases all on the boil.

Despite all the posturing and the large armies, Iran doesn't really have the capability to enter a lasting full scale conventional war in or around its own territory. Their air force is antiquated and their navy small, I would have no doubt that the US and Israel could lay waste to most of it with stand off weapons in short order. Yes, they have 300,000 troops of varying standard, but what use without control of the skies?

BaZmO*

Deleted User wrote: »

I actually clicked into this thread desperately hoping some old tweets from Trump would be here rather than posts about what happened in Iran. Thanks guys.

https://twitter.com/TheMichaelMoran/status/1213020460193124352?s=20

El_Duderino 09

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You believe Trump put any thought in to this?

Does he put any thought in to anything else?

Yes and yes.

I’d say the main thing that occupies his thoughts is his own personal advancements.

Signore Fancy Pants

Just for Lolz

realdanbreen

SeaFields wrote: »

Looking at the comments under Donald's tweet....the yanks really are a bat sh!t crazy race of people.

Any country where in large parts racism is rife, 40,000 people are shot dead per year and the only response is USA,USA, has to be pitied.

Limpy

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They will also sponsor terrorism.

The US armed jihadi groups in Syria, PKK who the US are allied with in Kurdish regions are designated Terrorists in Turkey. Remember the friendly Mujihadeen(Al Queda) fighting the Soviets? The US sponsored them also.

Remember the Saudis who knocked out the Twin Tower's? Yeah US allies.

Point is if your from the west your only hearing Western media view's on who's sponsoring terrorists.

Donald Trump

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You would think there would be some kind of parliamentary process to stop him you know just in case the president is a total nutjob ...checks and balances.

I mean give the generals some kind of autonomy ..so they can avoid doing stupid stuff.

I'll have you know that that is a very stable genius that you are talking about!

Limpy

Larbre34 wrote: »

Yeah they probably will through proxy rocket attacks, which is nothing new for Israel. And has already been said, Bibi will be only delighted with a bit of nationalistic fervor in the run up to the third election attempt in March and with his court cases all on the boil.

Despite all the posturing and the large armies, Iran doesn't really have the capability to enter a lasting full scale conventional war in or around its own territory. Their air force is antiquated and their navy small, I would have no doubt that the US and Israel could lay waste to most of it with stand off weapons in short order. Yes, they have 300,000 troops of varying standard, but what use without control of the skies?

Afghanistan has no airfoce and the US are still fighting there, and losing.

ILoveYourVibes

Larbre34 wrote: »

Yeah they probably will through proxy rocket attacks, which is nothing new for Israel. And has already been said, Bibi will be only delighted with a bit of nationalistic fervor in the run up to the third election attempt in March and with his court cases all on the boil.

Despite all the posturing and the large armies, Iran doesn't really have the capability to enter a lasting full scale conventional war in or around its own territory. Their air force is antiquated and their navy small, I would have no doubt that the US and Israel could lay waste to most of it with stand off weapons in short order. Yes, they have 300,000 troops of varying standard, but what use without control of the skies?

Bibi isn't nearly as despotic as you like to think. He won't want this. No one in Israel wants this. Bibi isn't a 'Trump'. He isn't perfect he's a dick sometimes ..but he isn't trump.

It will scare people ...and they will want more military ..which is understandable ..and it will further fuel the whole ****ing thing.

jackboy

Limpy wrote: »

Afghanistan has no airfoce and the US are still fighting there, and losing.

I don’t think the Iranian regime would like to be reduced to what the taliban are now.

Limpy

jackboy wrote: »

I don’t think the Iranian regime would like to be reduced to what the taliban are now.

Winning

Plumbthedepths

Petrol and Diesel on the rise.

nacho libre

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

In an all out war they could, for example what if China decides to sell them their drones then America is in for a rude awekening

I doubt that will happen, Russia and China will make loud noises for public consumption, but that's all it will be, they would never risk doing anything that could lead to a direct conflict with a major military power. Despite all the propaganda Iran is not a major threat to America in a conventional war- if it was the strike would never have taken place, so Iran will threaten dire consequences, but they are limited to asymmetrical warfare, which means they can't carry out a proportionate response like killing a senior American military officer.
What will likely happen is they will attempt to kill American Soliders and hope that is enough to satisfy a domestic audience and not risk all out war, as Iran knows a war with America ensures the end of the Iranian Regime.

jackboy

Limpy wrote: »

Winning

Is is worth winning a fight if you lose your dick, your two arms and your two legs.

Limpy

jackboy wrote: »

Is is worth winning a fight if you lose your dick, your two arms and your two legs.

Ask the families of the 2k plus yank soldier's.

babybuilder

In fairness to trump he's following the same agenda in a long line of American presidents. The pentagon and department of defense set this agenda. Then with war mongers such as pompeo one shouldn't be surprised. Let there be no mistake about this, the democrats will be delighted. They won't impeach trump for international terrorism. Bloody hypocrites.

ILoveYourVibes

Limpy wrote: »

The US armed jihadi groups in Syria, PKK who the US are allied with in Kurdish regions are designated Terrorists in Turkey. Remember the friendly Mujihadeen(Al Queda) fighting the Soviets? The US sponsored them also.

Remember the Saudis who knocked out the Twin Tower's? Yeah US allies.

Point is if your from the west your only hearing Western media view's on who's sponsoring terrorists.

I am from the west and i have a syrian refugee in a class with me. I know assad is an evil mass child killer. He used chemical weapons on his own people.

He castrated young boys then murdered them and sent their bodies back to their parents.

The arab spring at that time was a completely PEACEFUL movement ...the protestors in syria wanted human rights ...they released DOVES onto the streets during their protests. AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT ASSAD DID!??

The town the protest took place in was Deraa. HE BOMBED THE ENTIRE TOWN TO THE GROUND...

It was after that ..freedom fighters got violent ...and yes some of them have connections to the US

But don't think for one moment Assad deserves to be alive let alone president.

People in syria were fighting for their lives.

It was ONLY after protests calling for the oppression of assads regime to be removed were brutally oppressed that things went to **** ...and yes its a cluster**** of factions etc.

You can't compare the west to the brutality of middle eastern dictatorships and what the people who live there have to live under.

So far as i know so far trump hasn't castrated any kids.

jackboy

Limpy wrote: »

Ask the families of the 2k plus yank soldier's.

Soldiers fight but it is regimes that start and end wars. Which regime will suffer the most? Trumps family or the families of the Iranian regime?

jmreire

GooglePlus wrote: »

Do you actually believe Iraqis flocked to the street to dance at the news of an American drone strike?

Before the drone strike, you may remember that the Iraqi's were on the street, protesting Iranian interference in Iraq. Iran is seeking dominance in that part of the world. There are also protests in Lebanon about Iranian interference, and last but definitely, not least, massive protest's in Iran against the regime, which is being ruthlessly suppressed at the present time. So yes, there are a lot of Iranian, Lebanese and Iraqi people happy about this.

babybuilder

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am from the west and i have a syrian refugee in a class with me. I know assad is an evil mass child killer. He used chemical weapons on his own people.

He castrated young boys then murdered them and sent their bodies back to their parents.

The arab spring at that time was a completely PEACEFUL movement ...the protestors in syria wanted human rights ...they released DOVES onto the streets during their protests. AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT ASSAD DID!??

The town the protest took place in was Deraa. HE BOMBED THE ENTIRE TOWN TO THE GROUND...

It was after that ..freedom fighters got violent ...and yes some of them have connections to the US

But don't think for one moment Assad deserves to be alive let alone president.

People in syria were fighting for their lives.

It was ONLY after protests calling for the oppression of assads regime to be removed were brutally oppressed that things went to **** ...and yes its a cluster**** of factions etc.

You can't compare the west to the brutality of middle eastern dictatorships and what the people who live there have to live under.

So far as i know so far trump hasn't castrated any kids.

What a load of crap. Assad didn't use chemical weapons on his own people

https://youtu.be/IML3FpuLH_Q

Like most middle East dictators Assad is bad news as was Gidaffi. As is the Saudi head.

KWAG2019

Soleimani had a reputation for strategic thinking and preparation (among other things). I expect his death was factored in to that.

nacho libre

jackboy wrote: »

Soldiers fight but it is regimes that start and end wars. Which regime will suffer the most? Trumps family or the families of the Iranian regime?

That's it in a nut shell. If Donald Trump truly felt his family would suffer because of this, the strike would never have taken place. To some people in the Pentagon, Putin's senior generals could be seen as an equally malign force as Qasem Soleimani, but they are obviously off limits, because Russia is a major military force with nukes. Donald knows this action could very well lead to his re-election, and help keep his friend Bibi in power and out of jail.

ILoveYourVibes

babybuilder wrote: »

What a load of crap. Assad didn't use chemical weapons on his own people

https://youtu.be/IML3FpuLH_Q

Like most middle East dictators Assad is bad news as was Gidaffi. As is the Saudi head.

he has used them three times..the saudi head while bad....is no where near as brutal as assad

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/05/201153185927813389.html

Hamza al-Khateeb 13 a boy from Darra was castrated while alive tortured some more then killed ..his body was then returned to his parents.

Assad then bombed Darra. The man is an inhuman demon.

Limpy

jackboy wrote: »

Soldiers fight but it is regimes that start and end wars. Which regime will suffer the most? Trumps family or the families of the Iranian regime?

You think the Trump's surviving is ok for 2k people to die, your drinking the cool aid.

Limpy

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

he has used them three times..the saudi head while bad....is no where near as brutal as assad

Show your proof? The report has been debunked.

I'll agree completely with you if you show me proof it was Assad.

jackboy

Limpy wrote: »

You think the Trump's surviving is ok for 2k people to die, your drinking the cool aid.

I never said that. I said the consequences for trump are far far less than the consequences for the Iranian regime in the event of a war. This is why the Iranians will avoid war. They are not going to start a war over one guy, not that guy anyway.

ILoveYourVibes

Limpy wrote: »

Show your proof? The report has been debunked.

I'll agree completely with you if you show me proof it was Assad.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...927813389.html

Hamza al-Khateeb 13 a boy from Darra was castrated while alive tortured some more then killed ..his body was then returned to his parents.

Assad then bombed Darra. The man is an inhuman demon.

He has done this to many other children. Their crime was to peacefully protest in the arab spring.

Its weird its like people in Ireland have no clue when it comes to the middle east.

In August 2016, reports by the United Nations and the OPCW explicitly blamed the Syrian military of Bashar al-Assad for dropping chemical weapons (chlorine bombs) on the towns of Talmenes in April 2014 and Sarmin and Qmenas in March 2015

Defectors from the Syrian army have testified they are being used to Turkish media.

In January 2013, US State Department cables showed a US investigation had found evidence that the Syrian military had used a chemical weapon on 23 December 2012, which was the first time an official investigation documented chemical weapon use in the conflict.[141] On 4 June, the French foreign minister Laurent Fabius similarly declared certainty that the Syrian government had used sarin on multiple instances

Its not ONE report there are several corroborating pieces of evidence.

There are several witnesses.

There is too much evidence to deny it.

Everyone knows this.

Its why Obama ordered a strike.

Even Russia now admits they were making LOTS of chemical weapons in syria.

ILoveYourVibes

babybuilder wrote: »

In fairness to trump he's following the same agenda in a long line of American presidents. The pentagon and department of defense set this agenda. Then with war mongers such as pompeo one shouldn't be surprised. Let there be no mistake about this, the democrats will be delighted. They won't impeach trump for international terrorism. Bloody hypocrites.

They won't get the majority in both houses to impeach him no matter what he does.

Donald Trump

jackboy wrote: »

I never said that. I said the consequences for trump are far far less than the consequences for the Iranian regime in the event of a war. This is why the Iranians will avoid war. They are not going to start a war over one guy, not that guy anyway.

I wouldn't be too sure.

If I was a general and I saw another general being targeted for assassination like that..............I might be inclined to send my soldiers out rather than give the impression that generals can be assassinated without consequences.....

seamus

nacho libre wrote: »

What will likely happen is they will attempt to kill American Soliders and hope that is enough to satisfy a domestic audience and not risk all out war, as Iran knows a war with America ensures the end of the Iranian Regime.

The US is hoping this will be sufficient provocation for Iran to blockade the gulf of Oman and begin military build-up along its western borders.

They will be joined by anti-US interests from Afghanistan and Pakistan, including former Al-Queda & ISIS cells.

This will be more than enough justification for the US to send troops to the region under the auspices of protecting energy supplies.

It's possible too that Putin will eye up an invasion of Georgia and potentially Azerbaijan under the pretence of protecting Russia from attack from the south. Realistically doing it because Iran will be too stretched on its west coast to offer any assistance to those countries.

I suspect Iranian intelligence know considerably more than I do but this is about the right time for them to retaliate by proxy; drag Saudi and the UAE into this fight by attacking them directly. Don't target US troops or US facilities; target their allies.
While it seems unlikely, if I was an expat in Dubai right now, I'd be making plans to get home ASAP.

ILoveYourVibes

People in the west are asleep when it comes to assad vogue even put his wife in their magazine. SHe is married to a mass murderer for christs sake.

They got rid of all the issues or tried to ..

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/01/the-only-remaining-online-copy-of-vogues-asma-al-assad-profile/250753/

British roots, wears designer fashion, worked for years in banking, and is married to the dictator Bashar al-Assad, whose regime has killed over 5,000 civilians and hundreds of children this year.

Obviously vogue was off their ****ing heads.