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US take out Suleimani - mod warning in OP

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    #872
    YFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Have not read through whole thread. Pence said Iraqi guy was involved in the 9/11 event. Any truth to that?


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    #873
    joseywhales
    Registered Users Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    pearcider wrote: »
    These anti Trumpers are the same type of people who supported the USSR during the Cold War. These guardian readers and champagne socialists are communist sympathizers who hate the fact that their ideology fails miserably wherever it is implemented.

    Ah here any semblance of a point is lost with this McCarthyism nonsense. You can't just bundle all points you dislike into a convenient pile owned by an imagined foe.


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    #874
    mickdoocey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭mickdoocey


    archer22 wrote: »
    He helped Iraqi's in their legitimate fight against foreign invaders and also fought Islamic State and Al-Qaeda.

    You make it sound like invading American troops were innocent tourists in Iraq :rolleyes:

    that was not my point, not even close.
    my point is the double standard as many people in the middle east would have supported bin laden.
    one mans terrorist and all that.


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    #875
    Bigboldworld
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Bigboldworld


    mickdoocey wrote: »
    saddam Hussein was the head of a sovereign state - I personally believe he should have been tried in court - but he was taken out.
    again there was no outrage from the majority of people inc the same people who are now outraged by this strike.

    its a double standard.

    There was plenty of outrage when the us invaded iraq and executed saddam, it just doesn’t matter as they can do what they want, the double standard is the Americans propping up murderers and dictators such as saddam and then casting them aside when they are no longer of any use, that’s been their mo in the middle east and that’s the real double standard here.


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    #876
    J Mysterio
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    Have not read through whole thread. Pence said Iraqi guy was involved in the 9/11 event. Any truth to that?

    No. That was America's Saudi allies.


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    #877
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,795 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Very thorough article here on decision making. Apparently many Pentagon officials didn't expect him to take option of airstrike. Why risk it be presenting it as an option then. Trump is close to not being a rationale actor. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/04/us/politics/trump-suleimani.html?auth=login-email&login=email


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    #878
    mickdoocey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭mickdoocey


    Bigboldworld wrote: »
    There was plenty of outrage when the us invaded iraq and executed saddam, it just doesn’t matter as they can do what they want, the double standard is the Americans propping up murderers and dictators such as saddam and then casting them aside when they are no longer of any use, that’s been their mo in the middle east and that’s the real double standard here.

    there was outrage when they invaded but not when saddem or bin laden was executed.
    I am not trying to justify Americas foreign policy decisions or their war machine -
    I am simply pointing out that Obama made some hawkish decisions with little complaints. trump does similar but and gets accused of murder.

    you must admit it is very strange.


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    #879
    bilbot79
    Registered Users Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    pearcider wrote: »
    Your typical redneck built the greatest, richest and most progressive republic the world has ever known. So thanks.

    They didn't. African slaves did.


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    #880
    pearcider
    Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Very thorough article here on decision making. Apparently many Pentagon officials didn't expect him to take option of airstrike. Why risk it be presenting it as an option then. Trump is close to not being a rationale actor. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/04/us/politics/trump-suleimani.html?auth=login-email&login=email

    Trump is very rational. He turned down the pentagons plan for air strikes after they shot down the American drone as the casualties would’ve been in the hundreds and he thought that was way over the top.

    These fools in the pentagon who are close to the NYT and the Dems now are pretending he’s a loose cannon. They are part of the same scummy deep state he’s been fighting since day one.


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    #881
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,519 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    mickdoocey wrote: »
    saddam Hussein was the head of a sovereign state - I personally believe he should have been tried in court - but he was taken out.
    again there was no outrage from the majority of people inc the same people who are now outraged by this strike.

    its a double standard.

    Saddam was tried in court and sentenced to death.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    #882
    archer22
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Very thorough article here on decision making. Apparently many Pentagon officials didn't expect him to take option of airstrike. Why risk it be presenting it as an option then. Trump is close to not being a rationale actor. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/04/us/politics/trump-suleimani.html?auth=login-email&login=email

    Doesn't Congress or something there have the power to remove presidents who become deranged?....surely Trump now qualifies as such, indeed has for quite some time.


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    #883
    YFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    No. That was America's Saudi allies.

    Sad that some will think it's true.


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    #884
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,519 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    RoryMac wrote: »
    So you can be as active in terrorism as you like responsible for the killing and maiming of hundreds of US soldiers once you are a non-elected representative of Iran?

    Seems a strange way to look at it

    Are you serious? Do you want a list of American war crimes over the years? How are about the WMD pretext for the invasion of Iraq? Was there any truth in that or was it complete bull****?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    #885
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 8,227 ✭✭✭threeball


    bilbot79 wrote: »
    They didn't. African slaves did.

    Exactly and Nazi scientists gave them most of their technology. They are so morally bankrupt they even plundered the Nazis to further their own agenda.


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    #886
    pearcider
    Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider


    bilbot79 wrote: »
    They didn't. African slaves did.

    The Democrats owned the slaves. The Republicans fought to free them. So you should be voting for Trump if slavery still grinds your gears.

    The rednecks are by definition poor and working class so the thought of them owning slaves is funny. Funny the only place slaves still exist are in Muslim countries. But try telling that to your typical leftie.


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    #887
    mickdoocey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭mickdoocey


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Saddam was tried in court and sentenced to death.

    saddam trial and execution was nothing more then a revenge killing.
    he should have been tried at the hague


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    #888
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 8,227 ✭✭✭threeball


    pearcider wrote: »
    The Democrats owned the slaves. The Republicans fought to free them. So you should be voting for Trump if slavery still grinds your gears.

    The rednecks are by definition poor and working class so the thought of them owning slaves is funny. Funny the only place slaves still exist are in Muslim countries. But try telling that to your typical leftie.

    Old racist Trump is anti slavery is he? That goes up there with your description of America as the most progressive country in the world whilst still treating a large portion of their citizenship as third class citizens based on skin colour alone. Very progressive


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    #889
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    pearcider wrote: »
    The Democrats owned the slaves. The Republicans fought to free them. So you should be voting for Trump if slavery still grinds your gears.

    The rednecks are by definition poor and working class so the thought of them owning slaves is funny. Funny the only place slaves still exist are in Muslim countries. But try telling that to your typical leftie.

    This party bull**** is just that. Everything ours do is right and everything the others do is wrong.

    How are people in Ireland so invested to be championing this ****ing idiot.

    If Obama had only become the president in 2016 and had done everything Trump has done, the same people defending Trump would be calling for his head.

    How about Trump saying Obama would do all this during his presidency and how bad it would make him , that Obama didnt do but Trump now is?


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    #890
    RoryMac
    Registered Users Posts: 5,290 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Are you serious? Do you want a list of American war crimes over the years? How are about the WMD pretext for the invasion of Iraq? Was there any truth in that or was it complete bull****?

    What are you on about??

    Is it so hard for you to admit that Soleimani was a justified target?

    I wouldn't dispute any of those and that fact that US intervention in the middle East has been a complete disaster costing millions of lives but that not the point I'm arguing


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    #891
    Guy:Incognito
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    threeball wrote: »
    Old racist Trump is anti slavery is he? That goes up there with your description of America as the most progressive country in the world whilst still treating a large portion of their citizenship as third class citizens based on skin colour alone. Very progressive

    Maybe hes anti slavery now hes a Republican but not the years when he was a Democrat?:)


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    #892
    pearcider
    Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider


    threeball wrote: »
    Old racist Trump is anti slavery is he? That goes up there with your description of America as the most progressive country in the world whilst still treating a large portion of their citizenship as third class citizens based on skin colour alone. Very progressive

    You’re demented. The richest black man in the world is Dr Dre. So how exactly did he make his money if it’s such a discriminatory system.

    https://youtu.be/O0dCvQdt5XI

    Personal responsibility is a hard pill for you leftists to swallow.


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    #893
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 8,227 ✭✭✭threeball


    RoryMac wrote: »
    What are you on about??

    Is it so hard for you to admit that Soleimani was a justified target?

    I wouldn't dispute any of those and that fact that US intervention in the middle East has been a complete disaster costing millions of lives but that not the point I'm arguing

    And i'll ask again, what members of the american administration are fair game in that case?


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    #894
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,519 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    mickdoocey wrote: »
    saddam trial and execution was nothing more then a revenge killing.
    he should have been tried at the hague

    A couple of posts ago you were lamenting the fact that he was “taken out” rather than being tried in court. Now you are condemning his trial in court and claiming he should have been tried at The Hague.
    It would be easier if you just admitted you were wrong.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    #895
    pearcider
    Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    This party bull**** is just that. Everything ours do is right and everything the others do is wrong.

    How are people in Ireland so invested to be championing this ****ing idiot.

    If Obama had only become the president in 2016 and had done everything Trump has done, the same people defending Trump would be calling for his head.

    How about Trump saying Obama would do all this during his presidency and how bad it would make him , that Obama didnt do but Trump now is?

    Obama gave billions of dollars in gold and currency to the mad mullahs. He doubled the national debt spending more than every president since George Washington combined. He is the biggest fake that ever existed.


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    #896
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    pearcider wrote: »
    Obama gave billions of dollars in gold and currency to the mad mullahs. He doubled the national debt spending more than every president since George Washington combined. He is the biggest fake that ever existed.

    That answers nothing in my post.

    Trump ran a fake university and scammed people. Is that how this works?


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    #897
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,519 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    pearcider wrote: »
    You’re demented. The richest black man in the world is Dr Dre. So how exactly did he make his money if it’s such a discriminatory system.

    https://youtu.be/O0dCvQdt5XI

    Personal responsibility is a hard pill for you leftists to swallow.

    Dr.Dre isn’t close to being the richest “black man in the world”.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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    #898
    pearcider
    Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    That answers nothing in my post.

    Trump ran a fake university and scammed people. Is that how this works?

    Yeah if it’s between Trump and Killary “we came we saw he died” Clinton. It’s Trump all day long. Trump might have been friends with Epstein but it was old Bill that visited pedo island on numerous occasions. So yeah, Trump was the lesser of two evils.


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    #899
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 8,227 ✭✭✭threeball


    pearcider wrote: »
    You’re demented. The richest black man in the world is Dr Dre. So how exactly did he make his money if it’s such a discriminatory system.

    https://youtu.be/O0dCvQdt5XI

    Personal responsibility is a hard pill for you leftists to swallow.

    Left this, left that. I'm no more left than my right arm but it suits you to pigeon hole everyone here because you're too simple to figure out that not everyone looks at every issue and sides as right or left all the time.

    Dr Dre made his money in spite of the way america treats him and people of his colour. The music he promotes actively condemns those that run the establishments that treat them like this.

    Here is a little look at what your beloved Mr Trump thinks of black people.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/588067/


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    #900
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    pearcider wrote: »
    Yeah if it’s between Trump and Killary “we came we saw he died” Clinton. It’s Trump all day long. Trump might have been friends with Epstein but it was old Bill that visited pedo island on numerous occasions. So yeah, Trump was the lesser of two evils.

    Again, nothing addressing what I posted.


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    #901
    pearcider
    Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Dr.Dre isn’t close to being the richest “black man in the world”.

    Sorry I’m not counting all the tin pot dictators in Africa. Just the honest hard working blacks.


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