US take out Suleimani - mod warning in OP

GarIT

RoryMac wrote: »

If they believed he was behind terrorist attacks against them then yes.

They just need to be able to accept the consequences of their actions

The thing is there haven't been any terrorist attacks against them. The only one 9/11 almost 20 years ago now was carried out by Saudi Arabia, America's best friend. Plenty of pictures of Trump shaking hands with the only people who have attacked the US.

kildare lad

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Having met hundreds of us military aswell as officials like Pompeo and Pence through work I can't help but feel sorry for the regular joes who will suffer at the hands of these idiots.

Its a bit like when George Bush Jr was telling the Iraqis to bring it on . When he tucked up nice and safe in the White House ,

nacho libre

RoryMac wrote: »

If they believed he was behind terrorist attacks against them then yes.

They just need to be able to accept the consequences of their actions

Should America do the same? What if Iran decide to play the long game and try and kill Donald or head of the US Army in a few years time?

J Mysterio

Reports seem to suggest that the Iraqi PM Mahdi was due to meet Soleimani the day he was killed.

The Iraqi PM apparently suggested in Parliament in lead up to the vote that Saudi had sent a letter via Iraq to Iran on defusing tensions in the region, and this was to be discussed between Mahdi and Soleimani. Mahdi also said that he had spoke on the phone to Trump in the day(s) before the killing and that Trump urged him to calm the Iranians.

Fascinating as comes across as a stitch up. Soleimani in Iraq to meet Iraq president to discuss proposals to defuse tension... and then killed by drone strike.

Of course Mahdi is amenable to the Iranians anyway, but this all just underlines what a tinderbox the whole fucķing place is now.

Other reports are suggesting that Pompeo has been in touch with Iraqi Sunni's and Kurds from Iraqi parliament to persuade them to deny the vote to expel US troops.

kildare lad

simongurnick wrote: »

Trump saying they have 52 targets ready to hit in iran. 52 = 52 hostages from years back. Mad stuff.

Playing to the crowd , it's doesn't take much for yanks to full retard

Cheerful Spring2

The Iraqi parliament has now voted to end the US military presence in Iraq. Will the Americans ignore the demand to leave?

J Mysterio

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The Iraqi parliament has now voted to end the US military presence in Iraq. Will the Americans ignore the demand to leave?

Yeah, seems its gone through.

Fascinating to see US response, they are busy building up their forces in the region again, will they all just get back on their troop carriers and bugger off again? Probably not. In which case, they will be there against the express wishes of the Iraqi people.

It's probably time to start embarassing the US in international courts, if such a thing is possible.

J Mysterio

https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1213834767172542465

ChikiChiki

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Donald has really gone insane. He's raving like some senile third world dictator who been in power far too long.

Impeachment has clearly pushed him towards further madness

wildeside

The footage of the crowds on the street in Iran is truly chilling. What hope have the Iranian leaders now of any kind of measured response? None, zero, zilch. They have been backed into a corner they have to fight out of.

One way of looking at this is that it's a spectacular own goal. A miscalculation of mind boggling proportions. That people in the US administration just didn't know how popular and revered this guy was. Yeah....right.

The other way of looking at this is that it wasn't a miscalculation at all. That this is exactly the response certain US vested interests wanted. They knew escalation was going to be the end result.

I think people need to look past Trump (or any president for the most part). He's just an easily manipulated puppet but he's not pulling the strings. I mean how hard would it be to feed him some disinformation in the name of promoting more war/violence in the middle east? Not very.

And so the US war machine soldiers on (pun intended).

Cheerful Spring2

J Mysterio wrote: »

Yeah, seems its gone through.

Fascinating to see US response, they are busy building up their forces in the region again, will they all just get back on their troop carriers and bugger off again? Probably not. In which case, they will be there against the express wishes of the Iraqi people.

It's probably time to start embarassing the US in international courts, if such a thing is possible.

Iran had control over Iraq years ago, said this long time ago. You seeing now who they support in the region. I doubt the US can perform a Saigon like evacuation straight away.  We have to stand by and hear the Trump administration attitude to this vote. There no uncertainty in my mind if they don't leave a new insurrection (uprising) in Iraq will start. To be honest i think the uprising/insurgency may even start with US troops still present. Trump handed Iran it's 9/11 something the people can get behind and support. Iran will now use Soleimani killing to gather support for revenge across the region. 

Curious_Case

It has been said that Suleimani was in Iraq to deliver an Iranian response to a Saudi initiative (made via Iraq) promoting de-escalation.

Was the assassination an attempt to derail the wagon (provoke confrontation) before it slowed down (improved Iranian-Saudi relations) ???

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50998065

Iraqi MPs have passed a resolution calling for foreign troops to leave the country after the US killed top Iranian general Qasem Soleimani in a drone strike at Baghdad airport last week.

Parliament in Baghdad also called for a ban on foreign forces using Iraqi land, airspace or water for any reason.

The US has some 5,000 military personnel in Iraq

BorneTobyWilde

If that was passed into law would US ignore it and stay.

RocketRaccoon

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If that was passed into law would US ignore it and stay.

Well if they do, it would end in a lot of bloodshed.

Gatling

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50998065

Iraqi MPs have passed a resolution calling for foreign troops to leave the country after the US killed top Iranian general Qasem Soleimani in a drone strike at Baghdad airport last week.

Parliament in Baghdad also called for a ban on foreign forces using Iraqi land, airspace or water for any reason.

The US has some 5,000 military personnel in Iraq

The key phrase

"The non-binding resolution was passed on Sunday after Iraq's caretaker Prime Minister, Adel Abdul Mahdi, called for an end to the foreign military presence in a speech to MPs."

Wonder if it's all foreign military including Iranians or the one keeping a lid on the country

Cheerful Spring2

nacho libre wrote: »

Should America do the same? What if Iran decide to play the long game and try and kill Donald or head of the US Army in a few years time?

Iran is certainly going to strike military targets, they have said it today. It's only a watch game now. Iran feels their no alternative, Trump has forced them into a point of no return. Hezbollah leader just issued a statement there no calm talk here!

Quotes
"US military bases, US military ships, every American officer, soldier in our countries and regions. US military is the one who killed Soleimani and Muhandis, and they will pay the price. This is the equation.

This isn’t empty talk and soundbites. When the bodies of US generals and soldiers arrive vertically and return to the US horizontally, Trump and his leadership will realize that they have in fact lost the region

ArchXStanton

Curious_Case wrote: »

It has been said that Suleimani was in Iraq to deliver an Iranian response to a Saudi initiative (made via Iraq) promoting de-escalation.

Was the assassination an attempt to derail the wagon (provoke confrontation) before it slowed down (improved Iranian-Saudi relations) ???

Yeah and then a piss poor attempt to legitimise an illegal terrorist act by the US, not many are falling for it anymore

threeball

Curious_Case wrote: »

It has been said that Suleimani was in Iraq to deliver an Iranian response to a Saudi initiative (made via Iraq) promoting de-escalation.

Was the assassination an attempt to derail the wagon (provoke confrontation) before it slowed down (improved Iranian-Saudi relations) ???

Not beyond the bounds of possibility that the Saudis worked with the yanks to set up this situation in a bid to get to Soleimani. Last thing the yanks want is peace in the middle East. How would Lockheed Martin and the rest justify their existence without this lucrative market for their weapons.

pearcider

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Iran is certainly going to strike military targets, they have said it today. It's only a watch game now. Iran feels their no alternative, Trump has forced them into a point of no return. Hezbollah leader just issued a statement there no calm talk here!

Quotes
"US military bases, US military ships, every American officer, soldier in our countries and regions. US military is the one who killed Soleimani and Muhandis, and they will pay the price. This is the equation.

This isn’t empty talk and soundbites. When the bodies of US generals and soldiers arrive vertically and return to the US horizontally, Trump and his leadership will realize that they have in fact lost the region

Blah blah blah bring it on. Hezbollah always talk tough like that. Just like comical Ali. Let’s see what they can do. Trump is the one who is daring them to escalate. At the end of the day, Iran is highly vulnerable to a devastating air campaign by the US if they want to go down that road.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

This isn’t empty talk and soundbites. When the bodies of US generals and soldiers arrive vertically and return to the US horizontally,

The same anti US retoric has been spouted for decades from mad mullahs to ageing revolutionaries ( still haven't found the revolution)

Israel has been knocking off quds forces and their leadership for the last few years and zero from the 14th most powerful army in the world ,

This will eventually blow over and calm down like all the previous other times people proclaimed the end of the world is coming.iran will do this and Iran will do that the end is coming .

And yet here we are again

Still waters

US2 wrote: »

The same everywhere. We spend millions and millions on Broadband, Forigen Aid, Asylum seekers, white water rafting ect, while 10s of thousands of people, working people, cant afford to buy a house.

Yes, thats exactly the same thing

nacho libre

threeball wrote: »

Not beyond the bounds of possibility that the Saudis worked with the yanks to set up this situation in a bid to get to Soleimani. Last thing the yanks want is peace in the middle East. How would Lockheed Martin and the rest justify their existence without this lucrative market for their weapons.

Yes i have a feeling the Saudis offer of de- escalation was a ruse. It wll be interesting to see if any of Suleminai's inner circle are arrested in the coming weeks for being involved in the assassination. I don't believe this strike was purely due to American eyes in the sky.

josip

So is the Iraqi MP vote in any way meaningful or simply rhetoric?

wildeside

pearcider wrote: »

Blah blah blah bring it on...

Nice tough talk there solider! Are you on a break from combat duty?

Guy:Incognito

wildeside wrote: »

Nice tough talk there solider! Are you on a break from combat duty?

Probably has bone spurs.

Cheerful Spring2

pearcider wrote: »

Blah blah blah bring it on. Hezbollah always talk tough like that. Just like comical Ali. Let’s see what they can do. Trump is the one who is daring them to escalate. At the end of the day, Iran is highly vulnerable to a devastating air campaign by the US if they want to go down that road.

2006 War actually shocked Israel armed services when they undertook an invasion of Southern Lebanon. Hezbelloh hit an Israel destroyer with missiles and knocked it out of action, they lost over 170 soldiers, 2000 wounded, and Hezbelloh damaged or knocked out over 100 tanks. Every expert recognizes this was a failed aggression by Israel. It was considered a disaster.  Hezbelloh used Iran tractics to deceive the Israeli command. 

Manic Moran

Eod100 wrote: »

Very thorough article here on decision making. Apparently many Pentagon officials didn't expect him to take option of airstrike. Why risk it be presenting it as an option then. Trump is close to not being a rationale actor. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/04/us/politics/trump-suleimani.html?auth=login-email&login=email

It’s their job to provide options, not make policy decisions. It wouldn’t have been an option had there been no link between the target and the goal, though.

Curious_Case wrote: »

It has been said that Suleimani was in Iraq to deliver an Iranian response to a Saudi initiative (made via Iraq) promoting de-escalation.

It seems unlikely that an official emissary would arrive after midnight and be met by a militia. Normally a diplomat would also be used, not the head of the IRGC.

threeball

pearcider wrote: »

Blah blah blah bring it on. Hezbollah always talk tough like that. Just like comical Ali. Let’s see what they can do. Trump is the one who is daring them to escalate. At the end of the day, Iran is highly vulnerable to a devastating air campaign by the US if they want to go down that road.

Bring it on says the lad sitting on his couch that will never see combat. You're literally a parody at this stage. Are you even American? You still haven't learned that you win the sum total of fcuk all with air strikes.

nacho libre

Gatling wrote: »

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Israel has been knocking off quds forces and their leadership for the last few years and zero from the 14th most powerful army in the world ,

The Israeli's and Americans have not murdered as senior a figure like this before, so it is unprecedented, but at the same time the Clerics will be mindful that the game has changed; that they could be next if they miscalculate their response , so despite the loud noises for public consumption, the response will not be proportionate. Iran will play the long game and look to bleed America slowly. It will be the foot soliders and civilians that pay the price as usual