US take out Suleimani - mod warning in OP

is_that_so

Manic Moran wrote: »

It’s their job to provide options, not make policy decisions. It wouldn’t have been an option had there been no link between the target and the goal, though.

With a normal, reasoning politician it would not have been taken as there are far too many unknown outcomes. It is quite a baffling call unless you're Trump.

Mrcaramelchoc

is_that_so wrote: »

With a normal, reasoning politician it would not have been taken as there are far too many unknown outcomes. It is quite a baffling call unless you're Trump.

He's a ****ing idiot.everyone in the western world will probably have to pay dearly for what he just did.

Guy:Incognito

MartianMessiah wrote: »

America is not going to send in ground forces. They can annihilate Iran's armed forces at will from the air once Iran's pitiful air force and air defence screen is gone. It doesn't matter how numerous or how brave the Iranians are if they can be lit up from the air and they have no way to hit back at a technologically superior American military. Once military commanders the ayatollahs and politicians are smoking holes in the ground all effective resistance will gone.
With command control gone Iranian society will collapse and Iranians will be more interested in day to day survival than a hopeless fight against America.

Exactly. Just like Vietnam, win the war with aerial bombardment, dead handy, everyone goes home. Plus , sure Donald has direct experience of that, cos wasnt he drafted then........

wildeside

Gatling wrote: »

The same anti US retoric has been spouted for decades from mad mullahs to ageing revolutionaries ( still haven't found the revolution)

Israel has been knocking off quds forces and their leadership for the last few years and zero from the 14th most powerful army in the world ,

This will eventually blow over and calm down like all the previous other times people proclaimed the end of the world is coming.iran will do this and Iran will do that the end is coming .

And yet here we are again

I don't see anyone claiming the end of the world is nigh. And you almost seem complacent that we're 'here' again. It's easy to be complacent with never ending war and violence when it doesn't affect you.

Some of us are just getting increasingly pi55ed off with the normalisation of war and acts of terrorism that break international law. Where are our values? How can we (the west) claim the moral high ground anymore?

Personally I think war should only be enacted by a vote of the citizenry. Citizens of countries rarely wage war on each other, it's the elites that do and those same elites that never fight in them (or their children).

And if you vote for war you should automatically get signed up for the draft. Then let's see how many people stand by their convictions.

Might be a few less arm-chair pen-pushing war mongers that way as well.

is_that_so

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

He's a ****ing idiot.everyone in the western world will probably have to pay dearly for what he just did.

If he's still President at the end of the year he won't care a whit.

J Mysterio

Manic Moran wrote: »

It seems unlikely that an official emissary would arrive after midnight and be met by a militia. Normally a diplomat would also be used, not the head of the IRGC.

Yet the supposed discussion was about reducing tensions in the region between rivals and as you have yourself acknowledged, Suleimani and his force was led the Iranian military strategy in the region (being most knowledgeable and experienced), with a focus outside of Iranian borders. Its eminently plausible.

nacho libre

[QUOTE=MartianMessiah;112169079. They can annihilate Iran's armed forces at will from the air once Iran's pitiful air force and air defence screen is gone.[/QUOTE]

Has any war being won by purely aerial means before? You make it all sound so easy.

jackboy

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

2006 War actually shocked Israel armed services when they undertook an invasion of Southern Lebanon. Hezbelloh hit an Israel destroyer with missiles and knocked it out of action, they lost over 170 soldiers, 2000 wounded, and Hezbelloh damaged or knocked out over 100 tanks. Every expert recognizes this was a failed aggression by Israel. It was considered a disaster.  Hezbelloh used Iran tractics to deceive the Israeli command. 

In the long run that event was probably much more useful to Israel than hezbolloh. Israeli losses although significant were relatively low. They would have learned so much from that which could be put into effect in the future. Stopping and not getting bogged down was a wise decision by Israel.

pearcider

threeball wrote: »

Bring it on says the lad sitting on his couch that will never see combat. You're literally a parody at this stage. Are you even American? You still haven't learned that you win the sum total of fcuk all with air strikes.

Calm down there chief. I was merely pointing out that Hezbollah and Iran are full of the usual fundamentalist religious diatribe that they always come out with. They are impotent against US airpower and if they choose to escalate further they will get their arse handed to them.

ArchXStanton

jackboy wrote: »

In the long run that event was probably much more useful to Israel than hezbolloh. Israeli losses although significant were relatively low. They would have learned so much from that which could be put into effect in the future. Stopping and not getting bogged down was a wise decision by Israel.

Hezbelloh had quite a few "surprises" for the Israelis and I'm sure most of the combat experienced straight from Syria have a few more for them

threeball

MartianMessiah wrote: »

America is not going to send in ground forces. They can annihilate Iran's armed forces at will from the air once Iran's pitiful air force and air defence screen is gone. It doesn't matter how numerous or how brave the Iranians are if they can be lit up from the air and they have no way to hit back at a technologically superior American military. Once military commanders the ayatollahs and politicians are smoking holes in the ground all effective resistance will gone.
With command control gone Iranian society will collapse and Iranians will be more interested in day to day survival than a hopeless fight against America.

Hoo ra, we'll just carpet bomb the like we did the gooks, mission accomplished. Oh wait .....

Cheerful Spring2

jackboy wrote: »

In the long run that event was probably much more useful to Israel than hezbolloh. Israeli losses although significant were relatively low. They would have learned so much from that which could be put into effect in the future. Stopping and not getting bogged down was a wise decision by Israel.

They're not insignificant numbers for a country of 5 million people. Israel went in assuming it be a cakewalk and got a scare. Hezbollah had new weaponry to knock out tanks and heavy military equipment and they kept assaulting the Israeli forces. They did not expect it. Hezbelloh is now equipped with precision missiles from Iran, there today even stronger. Their fighters are battle hardened from taking up arms in the middle east against Jihadists. Israeli army is mostly young people who walk around with guns. Maybe they learned from it.. Israel will probably use airpower, but Hezbollah will then strike Israel cities with precision missiles and more accurate types than the missiles they fired off in 2006.

edit 8 million just had a look.

wildeside

pearcider wrote: »

Calm down there chief. I was merely pointing out that Hezbollah and Iran are full of the usual fundamentalist religious diatribe that they always come out with. They are impotent against US airpower and if they choose to escalate further they will get their arse handed to them.

If Iran are so impotent then why the preemptive strike?

threeball

pearcider wrote: »

Calm down there chief. I was merely pointing out that Hezbollah and Iran are full of the usual fundamentalist religious diatribe that they always come out with. They are impotent against US airpower and if they choose to escalate further they will get their arse handed to them.

And making a much sense as you did with the Dr Dre b.s. you came up with. You never came back to me on "the richest black man in the world"

PonchoMcHoncho

Trump is acting like a terrorist threatening to blow up cultural sites on twitter.

What the **** is wrong with the clown?

Guy:Incognito

PonchoMcHoncho wrote: »

Trump is acting like a terrorist threatening to blow up cultural sites on twitter.

What the **** is wrong with the clown?

Sure theres people on here defending him.

73bc61lyohr0mu

PonchoMcHoncho wrote: »

Trump is acting like a terrorist threatening to blow up cultural sites on twitter.

What the **** is wrong with the clown?

Yeah. Imagine if the tables were turned and the leader of Iran threatened to blow up cultural sites in the USA. The American government are the biggest terrorists on the planet, yet they masquerade as the saviours of us all.

Curious_Case

PonchoMcHoncho wrote: »

Trump is acting like a terrorist threatening to blow up cultural sites on twitter.

What the **** is wrong with the clown?

If it's a war on cultural sites, the US is quite safe -
apart from Vegas & Disneyland.
They're already destroyed the indigenous culture.

smurgen

pearcider wrote: »

Calm down there chief. I was merely pointing out that Hezbollah and Iran are full of the usual fundamentalist religious diatribe that they always come out with. They are impotent against US airpower and if they choose to escalate further they will get their arse handed to them.

Fundamentalist religious diatribes?you sure you're not talking about trump and the evangelist followers?they're more or less willing the rapture at this stage.

Cheerful Spring2

MartianMessiah wrote: »

In the initial phase American planes will bomb Iran from bases in Saudi Arabia and friendly Gulf states but keep out of range of Iran's ballistic missiles which number a few hundred.

Inaccurate. Iran ballistic missiles number in thousands, not hundreds.
This is one of their underground missile silos. 

wildeside

MartianMessiah wrote: »

In the initial phase American planes will bomb Iran from bases in Saudi Arabia and friendly Gulf states but keep out of range of Iran's ballistic missiles which number a few hundred.

Iranian rockets are armed with one ton warheads and not precision weapons so the ones not intercepted by anti missile batteries at sea or on land with land harmlessly. They might get lucky and hit a few planes parked in the open or get a direct hit on a mess hall or something but that's a hail mary. The launches of missiles will reveal the location of fixed launchers and shoot and scoot mobile launchers and expose skilled personnel to aerial bombardment.

Iranian planes do not have fire and forget missiles and would be knocked out of the sky long before they can close the distance to fire heat seekers never mind their air to air cannons on American fighters. That's if they can even fly because they are short of parts and because they will be most likely destroyed on the ground and their pilots killed in their quarters by American bombs.

Iranian radars reveal their positions and coverage and be jammed and destroyed blinding the Iranian military in the opening hours. SAM launchers will be rendered useless. Any that actually fire will not survive long even if they are mobile wheeled variants.

With those forces neutralized any concentrated conventional ground forces whether armoured or infantry will be easy game from the air.

You should get out of your armchair General and high tail it over to the Pentagon where I'm sure the Defense Department would love to hear your expert insight into military tactics. Jesus wept ....

Gatling

wildeside wrote: »

Some of us are just getting increasingly pi55ed off with the normalisation of war and acts of terrorism that break international law. Where are our values?

And what are you and some of your fellows doing about it ,

Nothing absolutely nothing .

So yeah here we are again nothing had changed or will change in the short to very long term , creating multiple accounts on boards keyboard warriors we all hate America my life problems are all down to America ,oh did you hear America did this and America did ,
While blantly ignoring every other player in the game ,



In football we have the ABU anyone but United mouth pieces here we get ABA any but America keyboard types

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Inaccurate. Iran ballistic missiles number in thousands,

All varified and counted or just in some opinion

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

All varified and counted or just in some opinion

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/iran-has-amassed-largest-ballistic-missile-force-middle-east-58882

Pro/ US site. They have more missiles than Israel.

pearcider

smurgen wrote: »

Fundamentalist religious diatribes?you sure you're not talking about trump and the evangelist followers?they're more or less willing the rapture at this stage.

Haha yeah right thats why America elects a president every 4 years and Iran has an ayatollah. Are you for real? These jihadis only understand one thing and that is force. Trump is more than happy to oblige. He is clearly goading then into a response. Be sure that Iran will suffer fire and fury like they have never imagined if they escalate further.

Gatling

That's new let attack the White House


"Iran has threatened to attack the White House in response to Donald Trump's warning that any attack on American interests in the Middle East would bring retaliation.

“We can attack the White House itself, we can respond to them on the American soil. We have the power, and God willing we will respond in an appropriate time,” said Iranian MP Abolfazl Aboutorabi, according to the Iranian Labour News Agency.


He went on to say that “this is a declaration of war, which means if you hesitate you lose.

“When someone declares war, do you want to respond to the bullets with flowers? They will shoot you in the head.”

Aboutorabi’s threats came during an open session of Iran’s parliament in Tehran today."

Well Abolfazl Aboutorabi let us know when your going to storm the Whitehouse so we can see which body parts make the news

ArchXStanton

Gatling wrote: »

All varified and counted or just in some opinion

Ever since Saddam attacked and no one would give Iran missiles they've been working on building their own missiles, part of the reason Trump pulled out of the nuclear deal and something Iran says is non negotiable with good reason, they do have missiles in the thousands, you would be foolish to think they have just a couple of hundred

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

All varified and counted or just in some opinion

So it's a no .........

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

So it's a no .........

This is the headline. National interest/ is a military journal.

Iran Has Amassed the Largest Ballistic Missile Force in the Middle East

Israel has thousands of ballistic missiles of all types, Iran has even more!

ArchXStanton

Gatling wrote: »

So it's a no .........

You seem to spend your time in these threads bigging up US military might regardless if they are clearly in the wrong, better reach for another box of kleenex for your wargasm