US take out Suleimani - mod warning in OP

Gatling

J Mysterio wrote: »

Here is a long read RE Soleimani.
It's very informative indeed (and balanced considering its source):

https://ctc.usma.edu/qassem-soleimani-irans-unique-regional-strategy/

Also intersting is Soleimani's hometown. Quite stunning images from there.

https://inniran.com/things-to-do/city-of-kerman

Had his fingers in so many pies I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did ,
His propaganda unit did a great job marketing as some god like warrior who took on the world , turning up for photoshoots post battles dressed in white like some Instagram model ,
He was cute shrewd ****er but he got what he deserved in the end ,

kildare lad

J Mysterio wrote: »

Here is a long read RE Soleimani.
It's very informative indeed (and balanced considering its source):

https://ctc.usma.edu/qassem-soleimani-irans-unique-regional-strategy/

Also intersting is Soleimani's hometown. Quite stunning images from there.

https://inniran.com/things-to-do/city-of-kerman

Makes you wonder why America turned their back on them with all the " axis of evil " crap. It looked like the Iranians were forget about the past while some people in Washington couldn't . That administration was about as hawkish as you could get , full of chickenhawks with a idiot at the wheel . Things haven't changed since

KWAG2019

I see IRAN has put a bounty of $80,000,000 on Donald Trump.

J Mysterio

Gatling wrote: »

Had his fingers in so many pies I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did ,
His propaganda unit did a great job marketing as some god like warrior who took on the world , turning up for photoshoots post battles dressed in white like some Instagram model ,
He was cute shrewd ****er but he got what he deserved in the end ,

I'm minded to think you did not read what I posted. For one, it would have been near impossible to have properly done so in that timeframe. For two, your synopsis is utter shıte.

KWAG2019

KWAG2019 wrote: »

I see IRAN has put a bounty of $80,000,000 on Donald Trump.

Some guy talking at the funeral saying "if every Irani gave $1" in relation to a bounty does not make it real government policy.

Except for the Express who decides the appropriate headline is
"Iran 'places $80million bounty for Donald Trump’s head’ as World War 3 tensions rise"
even when explaining the story in the article.


If Iran killed the US VP with a drone, Americans at the funeral would be talking about if every American gave one bullet, we could shoot every Irani four times.

Guy:Incognito

https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1213962159958441989?s=19

J Mysterio

Utterly appalling. I can't begin to outline my contempt for that disgrace of a human, or find the words.

kildare lad

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1213962159958441989?s=19

Who won't see him on the Frontline, he's too busy globetrotting around the world shooting endangered animals .

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KWAG2019 wrote: »

I see IRAN has put a bounty of $80,000,000 on Donald Trump.

Isn't that's just some spare change left over that Obarma flew over in a big plane, then loaded off in a pallett. From memory of the news that week, something like $1bn in cash-money fresh 100dolla bills? A sweetener for a deal sign-up etc.

KWAG2019

Deleted User wrote: »

Some guy talking at the funeral saying "if every Irani gave $1" in relation to a bounty does not make it real government policy.

Except for the Express who decides the appropriate headline is
"Iran 'places $80million bounty for Donald Trump’s head’ as World War 3 tensions rise"
even when explaining the story in the article.


If Iran killed the US VP with a drone, Americans at the funeral would be talking about if every American gave one bullet, we could shoot every Irani four times.

You know perfectly well that your explanation is irrelevant. This is the age of Trump. $80,000,000. Wow. And as you said, Trumpism will reply “but we have the biggest bounty, we have the best bounty”. The US has lost the plot.

KWAG2019

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1213962159958441989?s=19

I am the blacksmith. 🤔

Gatling

J Mysterio wrote: »

it would have been near impossible to have properly done so in that timeframe. For two, your synopsis is utter shıte.

How long did think it would take to read an article exactly .

My synopsis is spot on .



Don't like it , tough ****

Gatling

KWAG2019 wrote: »

Trumpism will reply “but we have the biggest bounty, we have the best bounty”.

More than likely it will be we have bigger bombs and bigger buttons to push

KWAG2019

KWAG2019 wrote: »

You know perfectly well that your explanation is irrelevant. This is the age of Trump. $80,000,000. Wow. And as you said, Trumpism will reply “but we have the biggest bounty, we have the best bounty”. The US has lost the plot.

My explanation being irrelevant to Trump's views does not mean we should lie to each other and post Trump's version of the world.

Iran didn't put out a bounty.

threeball

threeball wrote: »

No one on boards was gifted 10s of millions, then lost it all then got bankrolled by Russian money as far as I know.

Then you should do a bit more research into the man and his financial background, because he made money on his own without any Russian involvement. Sure, he's lost loads of money, he's also made loads of money.

Yes obviously an idiot, you're obviously comfortable with idiots, most of us try to avoid them.

And yet, you constantly talk about Trump on boards. That's hardly avoiding supposed idiots.

And yes, I am comfortable with idiots. I'm a university lecturer teaching business management. Encountering Idiots goes with the territory.

If losing all your money twice is the definition of successful then he's definitely successful. He hasn't done pi$$ all for the American economy either. It takes a number of years for any major policy changes to actually change the path of an economy. Hes the benefactor of timing.

His net worth before he took office is incredibly larger than yours. Even without taking into account his inheritance. Hence, he's far more successful than you. Basic common sense. Or is it just sour grapes, that his daddy was successful and could leave him money to start life on?

The US economy has turned a corner under his leadership. If it was Obama in there now, you'd be claiming it was his doing. This is what I find hilarious about people who complain about Trump. The double standards.

But it doesn't matter. The thread is about Suleimani, not Trump, and I've learned that those who hate Trump can't be reasoned with. Their way or the high way.

Guy:Incognito

Yes, the man is clearly a genius, I mean he became extremely wealthy while starting off from a base of being extremely wealthy.

The odd scam university here and there along the way helped too.





Seems to be good at losing money alright.

"Trump's tax returns from 1985 to 1994 show net losses totaling $1.17 billion over the ten-year period, in contrast to his claims about his financial health and business abilities. The New York Times reported that "year after year, Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer", and Trump's "core business losses in 1990 and 1991 – more than $250 million each year – were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years". In 1995 his reported losses were $915.7 million"


"Trump was quoted by Newsweek in 2011 saying, "I do play with the bankruptcy laws – they're very good for me" as a tool for trimming debt"

Deleted User wrote: »

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But it doesn't matter. The thread is about Suleimani, not Trump, and I've learned that those who hate Trump can't be reasoned with. Their way or the high way.

Again, the odd people are the ones that for some reason look up to this idiot and defend him to the hilt. The man literally has no redeeming features.what exactly are people gaining by licking his boots? It's not like hes going to send you a cheque or anything.

At least if your an American idiot you have the excuse hes actually the president of your county, but on an irish message board? **** me.

He has a point, though. This is about Suleimani and half the posts about are about Trump. The politics forum doesn't even have a thread on this because the angle is Trump. This news wouldn't really be in a thread about Obama, and Obama wouldn't be relentlessly talked about in a thread about Suleimani. Any rational person who would ask if Suleimani should have been killed is likely to be called a Trumpeteer.

So what does Trump's inheritance have to do with a missile strike in Iran? Literally nothing so don't even answer such an absurd and stupid question.

Guy:Incognito

Deleted User wrote: »

He has a point, though. This is about Suleimani and half the posts about are about Trump.

Deleted User wrote: »

So what does Trump's inheritance have to do with a missile strike in Iran? Literally nothing so don't even answer such an absurd and stupid question.

It all goes to the legitimacy of the man at the centre of this ****storm goading countries , threatening war crimes through twitter and the weird obsession some people have with defending someone with no redeeming qualities at all.

The same people saying that people on here will just attack trump for anything he does would be losing their **** if this was obama doing all this. If the same tweets trump has sent out were sent by obama when he was president, they'd be calling for him to be removed from office. The hypocrisy is ridiculous .

Its accepted at this stage that all American presidents have blood on their hands but at least most had some modicum of self control and diplomacy in public, this idiot spent the years leading up to his election goading obama and putting out all his theories about what obama was going to do and how he was the devil and what it would make him if he did these things then goes and does it all himself. People lapping it up have as many screws loose as he does.

And the conversation stays about Trump. Fine.

Shall we talk about Russian hookers pissing on Trump, since that's more relevant than his inheritance? Could it be that this air strike is in retaliation against those Russian ladies since Iran and Russia are pally? Maybe Trump has lost the plot enough to create WWIII over a golden shower gone wrong?

KWAG2019

Deleted User wrote: »

My explanation being irrelevant to Trump's views does not mean we should lie to each other and post Trump's version of the world.

Iran didn't put out a bounty.

$80,000,000 though. And headlines in papers. And viral tweets. Could it be that the lunatic Mullahs ( and they are barking mad) are as lunatic as #Impotus who is #wannabewarcriminal. They deserve each other.

Tony EH

If Trump orders a hit on someone, he's going to be mentioned.

Guy:Incognito

Deleted User wrote: »

And the conversation stays about Trump. Fine.

Shall we talk about Russian hookers pissing on Trump, since that's more relevant than his inheritance? Could it be that this air strike is in retaliation against those Russian ladies since Iran and Russia are pally? Maybe Trump has lost the plot enough to create WWIII over a golden shower gone wrong?

Hes kind of a central character in all of this and in case you havnt noticed, the only other named person in it, is dead. (Spoiler, because character 1 had him killed)

Obama killed/assassinated people by drone/helicopter etc too, what's the big deal? So what if he was higher ranking

dresden8

What would Trump do if Obama was assassinated in retaliation?

Guy:Incognito

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yes, the man is clearly a genius, I mean he became extremely wealthy while starting off from a base of being extremely wealthy.

You're the one who keeps comparing him to a genius. I didn't. Fact is, in my lifetime, I've encountered extremely few who would be considered a genius. They're rare.. for a reason. You're not a genius. I'm not. Trump is not a simpleton. I'd consider him a few steps above Bush Jnr, and a few steps below Obama, not that I'm actually complimenting Obama here. That man was a snake oil salesman.

Again, the odd people are the ones that for some reason look up to this idiot and defend him to the hilt. The man literally has no redeeming features.what exactly are people gaining by licking his boots? It's not like hes going to send you a cheque or anything.

Except, of course, that I'm not defending him to the hilt. That's the problem with people like yourself with regards to Trump... You cannot accept anyone not completely hating him the way you do. I simply refuse to underestimate the man.

Nor am I licking his boots. I'm just not pissing on them either. He's done some good, he's done some bad. He's corrupt like most American politicians, and he's often a complete muppet. TBH, I can't stand the guy himself... but at the same time, I won't put myself into a box unable to accept that he's capable of doing some good.

At least if your an American idiot you have the excuse hes actually the president of your county, but on an irish message board? **** me.

You're delusional... it's hilarious just how incapable you are of appreciating that the the issue of Trump is not a black/white good/bad situation. For all your posting on political issues, you take the case of Trump and dumb it down to simple pov and demand that others follow suit. Absolutely nuts.

As I said, it's impossible to have a reasonable discussion about Trump with many posters on boards. You cannot allow any dissenting voices that don't completely agree with your hatred. You took my previous post which was extremely neutral about Trump and decided that I was essentially a Trump supporter. Tinted glasses and all that goes with it.

So. No more on Trump from me. There's absolutely no point. :rolleyes:

dresden8

dresden8 wrote: »

What would Trump do if Obama was assassinated in retaliation?

Laugh? Dance around in glee? Probably. He'd also likely nuke Iran. Obama was still an American president and regardless of Trumps opinions about Obama, Trump is generally a patriot, and he'd defend the sovereignty of the US. He's not going to allow anything that challenges either the office of the president or the reputation of the US as a superpower by a foreign nation.

Deleted User wrote: »

And the conversation stays about Trump. Fine.

In older threads, where US presidents ordered attacks on the Middle East, generally people spoke about the US as a nation.. or the actual actions of the overall government. However, there's this nasty hatred of Trump going on, so everything has to be focused entirely on him. I guess it started with Bush Jnr, and the invasion of Iraq. There was a similar hatred going on but not quite as much bile. It tapered away after Bush, but it's back in roaring form nowadays. Quite interesting to watch TBH.

In any case, it's difficult to have any reasonable discussion about the US without the focus shifting to issues relating to Trump, and generally, the issues will shift to unrelated rubbish that has been discussed countless times already in other threads. Posters like to rant about Trump... rather than just talk about the issue on hand.

threeball

Gatling wrote: »

Whom they obliged with weapons and special forces and airpower to fight isis .the kurds in turn became the most effective weapon to counter Isis on the ground backed by air power .


No point coming along thinking you know everything and a scewed view of a terrorist in chief ,
It never ends well

Typical of you. Cherry pick a line from a post then ignore the rest that gave it context. You were told the Iranians gave the Kurds weapons. The yanks didn't bother their hole until Iran and Russia got involved. They left the Yassidis to die on a hill and they left the Kurds to the mercy of the Turks once they did the dirty work.

Every post you play semantics. You're about 2 post short of picking out spelling mistakes. You add nothing to the debate because you know nothing.

Gatling

threeball wrote: »

You were told the Iranians gave the Kurds

May I suggest you actually go read a book ,


Don't believe the first thing you see on a wiki page and repeatedly make a claim that isn't true ..........

BaZmO*

Deleted User wrote: »

In older threads, where US presidents ordered attacks on the Middle East, generally people spoke about the US as a nation.. or the actual actions of the overall government. However, there's this nasty hatred of Trump going on, so everything has to be focused entirely on him.

But is the difference not that Trump has essentially gone rogue with this decision? Or at least his tweets would suggest so.

threeball

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Then you should do a bit more research into the man and his financial background, because he made money on his own without any Russian involvement. Sure, he's lost loads of money, he's also made loads of money.



And yet, you constantly talk about Trump on boards. That's hardly avoiding supposed idiots.

And yes, I am comfortable with idiots. I'm a university lecturer teaching business management. Encountering Idiots goes with the territory.



His net worth before he took office is incredibly larger than yours. Even without taking into account his inheritance. Hence, he's far more successful than you. Basic common sense. Or is it just sour grapes, that his daddy was successful and could leave him money to start life on?

The US economy has turned a corner under his leadership. If it was Obama in there now, you'd be claiming it was his doing. This is what I find hilarious about people who complain about Trump. The double standards.

But it doesn't matter. The thread is about Suleimani, not Trump, and I've learned that those who hate Trump can't be reasoned with. Their way or the high way.

God help your students. It doesnt bode well that they rely on you for information.

Try booking a room at Trumps casinos.
Or booking a flight on Trump airways.
Or maybe you should get a job lecturing at trump universities.
Or buy an apartment in a trump development that he actually financed and didn't just use his name.

He was richer than me the minute his auld fella dumped his load. Losing it all makes him successful does it?

You have to be spectacularly inept to be a one stage a billionaire then end up as someone the American banks wouldn't lend to. This is the country of subprime mortgages ffs.