US take out Suleimani - mod warning in OP

nthclare

The irony is you'll never hear the Shias roaring Allah Akbar
or describing them as jihadis.

Some of the posters here haven't a clue about Iran, they think its a rocky sandy backwater.

Its people are well educated, their topography is impenetrable by advancing rockets and war planes etc

They have probably stock piled a lot of weapons and systems in the mountains and valleys all over the place.

One thing the Americans won't do is fly their people in war planes into Iran so the Russian hardware will have a free test.

This will blow over, I think that trump hit the top so that the bottom will be safer.
Hopefully for everyone's sake the Iranians will not react to this and be provoked into a long war.

Then the war mongers here like himself and himself eat humble pie and see it as a blip...

Curious_Case

I think the best outcome in all of this would be Trump getting checkmated by any combination/permutation of promised reaction by Iran / Russia / China.

He would then be of no further use to the hawks and would be discarded with no hope of re-election.

Can we read in to the fact that all this is happening towards the end of his first tenure?

He's the perfect scapegoat/patsy to blame/use for starting a war that the hawks in Washington seem to want.

pearcider

alastair wrote: »

They’ve been under sanctions for years and achieved all of the above despite it. They’re winning. The regime is no more demented than it was in the ‘70s - less so in fact. Iranians have grown up in a theocratic society for 40 years - it’s not like it’s something new.

What have they achieved? Name one thing except murder and chaos through the Middle East. No great companies or people and a lowly place on human development and human freedom index.

pearcider

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Not so. They'd a pretty nifty non-nuclear deal up until Trump pulled out and murdered their general, now all bets are off, for the US anyways.

It was a shocking deal. Obama gave them billions in cash and gold and they spent it all on terrorism. They will never get a nuke which is what they desperately want. It would be better to burn the whole country down than let the ayatollahs get a nuke.

Odhinn

pearcider wrote: »

It was a shocking deal. Obama gave them billions in cash and gold and they spent it all on terrorism.

You have sources on that?

pearcider wrote: »

They will never get a nuke which is what they desperately want. It would be better to burn the whole country down than let the ayatollahs get a nuke.

So they can't get a "nuke" but Iran should be laid waste if they do........

Fonny122

Gatling wrote: »

Try

Try to learn about what you are discussing, instead of making a fool of yourself claiming that Blackwater no longer exist and no middle eastern kids have been radicalised by growing up in war zones over the last 17 years.

Otherwise, just keep digging.

charlie14

pearcider wrote: »

Two sides of the same coin. They hate the west that’s for sure and they have done since Thermopylae.

1953 and 1988 have no relevance but 450 BC does.
Silly childish narrow minded posting.

notobtuse

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Not so. They'd a pretty nifty non-nuclear deal up until Trump pulled out and murdered their general, now all bets are off, for the US anyways.

"Pretty nifty non-nuclear deal?" Nifty for Iran, I'll grant you. So Iran ends their commitment to nuclear deal it never abided by in the first place... BFD!

alastair

pearcider wrote: »

What have they achieved? Name one thing except murder and chaos through the Middle East. No great companies or people and a lowly place on human development and human freedom index.

I already did - above. Hard to build a great company when you’re subject to embargos. Plenty of great people. They’re very well regarded in my game - graphic design, with some world class practitioners. great film-makers too.

J Mysterio

X111111111111 wrote: »

Or maybe he got sick of letting disgusting murderers like Suleimani ran wild and continue to get away with terrorism. Sometimes you have to just kill the bad guys.

Your view is so ridiculously simplistic. Like a child.

alastair

pearcider wrote: »

It was a shocking deal. Obama gave them billions in cash and gold and they spent it all on terrorism. They will never get a nuke which is what they desperately want. It would be better to burn the whole country down than let the ayatollahs get a nuke.

Their own money. Seems this needs repeating.

alastair

notobtuse wrote: »

"Pretty nifty non-nuclear deal?" Nifty for Iran, I'll grant you. So Iran ends their commitment to nuclear deal it never abided by in the first place... BFD!

They were abiding by it according to the IAEA.
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-04/news/iaea-says-iran-abiding-nuclear-deal

J Mysterio

pearcider wrote: »

It was a shocking deal. Obama gave them billions in cash and gold and they spent it all on terrorism. They will never get a nuke which is what they desperately want. It would be better to burn the whole country down than let the ayatollahs get a nuke.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei%27s_fatwa_against_nuclear_weapons

wildeside

pearcider wrote: »

It was a shocking deal. Obama gave them billions in cash and gold and they spent it all on terrorism. They will never get a nuke which is what they desperately want. It would be better to burn the whole country down than let the ayatollahs get a nuke.

"bomb them into oblivion" and "burn the whole country down" are just two select phrases you have used in this thread. You might want to have a frank discussion with your inner demons. Thank God you don't have your finger on the nuke button.

pablo128

wildeside wrote: »

"bomb them into oblivion" and "burn the whole country down" are just two select phrases you have used in this thread. You might want to have a frank discussion with your inner demons. Thank God you don't have your finger on the nuke button.

N Korea are quite open about trying to develop nuclear weapons, and haven't been bombed into Oblivion.

Although there's no oil to be stolen from them, to be fair.

James Brown

pearcider wrote: »

What have they achieved? Name one thing except murder and chaos through the Middle East. No great companies or people and a lowly place on human development and human freedom index.

Are you talking about the U.S.A.? Hard to tell.

pearcider wrote: »

It was a shocking deal. Obama gave them billions in cash and gold and they spent it all on terrorism. They will never get a nuke which is what they desperately want. It would be better to burn the whole country down than let the ayatollahs get a nuke.

Ah, burn down the whole country. You sound like an unlawful terrorist sympathiser. What about the ordinary people just trying to get through the week, go to work etc.? You were citing the unrelated Arianna Grande concert earlier, now you're talking about burning down a whole country. You seem to have your countries and factions terribly confused. You may as well be blaming Iceland for invading the Crimea.
Tell me, how are the U.S. the good guys again?

notobtuse

alastair wrote: »

They were abiding by it according to the IAEA.
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-04/news/iaea-says-iran-abiding-nuclear-deal

Three months after the deal was made Iran launched a ballistic missile test, in violation of the agreement. In 2016 Iran violated the terms of the nuclear deal as well as UN resolutions three times, and German intelligence believed that Iran was attempting to acquire technology that could be used for its military nuclear program. Also in 2016, the IAEA reported that Iran had, for the second time, exceeded a soft limit on sensitive material under the nuclear deal.

Abiding? No so much.

kildare lad

pablo128 wrote: »

N Korea are quite open about trying to develop nuclear weapons, and haven't been bombed into Oblivion.

Although there's no oil to be stolen from them, to be fair.

Trump and Kim are bbf's now !!

Fonny122

notobtuse wrote: »

Three months after the deal was made Iran launched a ballistic missile test, in violation of the agreement. In 2016 Iran violated the terms of the nuclear deal as well as UN resolutions three times, and German intelligence believed that Iran was attempting to acquire technology that could be used for its military nuclear program. Also in 2016, the IAEA reported that Iran had, for the second time, exceeded a soft limit on sensitive material under the nuclear deal.

Abiding? No so much.

Not necessarily disputing these, but do you have links to these instances?

notobtuse

pablo128 wrote: »

N Korea are quite open about trying to develop nuclear weapons, and haven't been bombed into Oblivion.

Although there's no oil to be stolen from them, to be fair.

But they do have vast resources of zinc, copper, magnesite and gold... More important than oil.

Curious_Case

pearcider wrote: »

It was a shocking deal. Obama gave them billions in cash and gold and they spent it all on terrorism. They will never get a nuke which is what they desperately want. It would be better to burn the whole country down than let the ayatollahs get a nuke.

That sentiment is perfectly understandable when expressed by people of a certain age.

Courtesy of Hollywood, many of us were programmed to feel good when the US cavalry rode in and saved the day.

The romanticising of war by Hollywood must have worked wonders when it came to getting the recruitment numbers up.

These days it's computer war games (no wonder they're not banned, eh?)

Gatling

alastair wrote: »

They’ve ensured ISIS were defeated in Syria, they’ve built Hezbollah up into a force that can repeal the IDF, they’ve become the key influencer in Iraqi politics,

Hizbolla can hold off Israeli forces short term , but Israel usually learns how to counter threat's quickly ,
We got told the last time Israel went up against hizbolla wiped out Israeli forces and destroyed hundreds of tanks and vehicles ,
Turned out a handful of Israeli tanks were damaged and most returned to service in weeks,
And alot of the kornet missiles given to hizbolla via Russia via Iran were duds ,
If Israel went all out they would be on the beaches of Gaza in week's ,
Iraq will eventually blow up in Iran's faces they were responsible for butchering thousands of Iraqis I some how doubt all those families see Iran or their forces as their saviours ,Muqtada al-Sadr is a prime example a gangster during Saddam's time and now an Iranian puppet but can he be trusted to tow the Iranian line ,he's got he's own loyal army in the 150,000 + , proxies can only get you so far before you have to become the invader and occupiers after decrying yank occupation ,

This notion that if America pulled out Iran and russia will will pump the tens of not hundreds or thousands of troops to the middle East ,they suffered bigger casualties than America did in Afghanistan and suffered similar large casualties in the Chechen wars , even in eastern Ukraine they suffered more casualties than America did in ten years in Iraq,
Russia won't be doing anything other the limited small scale interested interventions,

ArchXStanton

Curious_Case wrote: »

That sentiment is perfectly understandable when expressed by people of a certain age.

Courtesy of Hollywood, many of us were programmed to feel good when the US cavalry rode in and saved the day.

The romanticising of war by Hollywood must have worked wonders when it came to getting the recruitment numbers up.

These days it's computer war games (no wonder they're not banned, eh?)

Goebbels would be proud...

"The script must be submitted for approval, a military consultant will be on hand during the shoot, and the finished product has to be screened for Pentagon chiefs before its release."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2009/jul/06/us-military-hollywood

Gotta keep the murder machine rolling..

kildare lad

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Goebbels would be proud...

"The script must be submitted for approval, a military consultant will be on hand during the shoot, and the finished product has to be screened for Pentagon chiefs before its release."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2009/jul/06/us-military-hollywood

Gotta keep the murder machine rolling..

Remember watch Chuck Norris in Delta Force when I was younger , I though the yanks could do wrong . Turns out they can

ArchXStanton

kildare lad wrote: »

Remember watch Chuck Norris in Delta Force when I was younger , I though the yanks could do wrong . Turns out they can

Yep and feed the public a steady stream of bull**** about going off to foreign lands and killing brown people to protect their American freedoms, manufacture consent, false flags, you name it

notobtuse

Fonny122 wrote: »

Not necessarily disputing these, but do you have links to these instances?

Here's some for your reading enjoyment...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-missiles-usa/u-s-confirms-iran-tested-nuclear-capable-ballistic-missile-idUSKCN0SA20Z20151016
https://mosaicmagazine.com/picks/politics-current-affairs/2019/11/iran-violated-the-nuclear-deal-in-several-ways-some-of-which-are-irreversible/
https://www.businessinsider.com/iran-trying-to-acquire-nuclear-technology-2016-7
http://isis-online.org/uploads/conferences/documents/Albright_Testimony_foreign_affairs_committee_11Oct2017_Final.pdf
https://www.businessinsider.com/iran-trying-to-acquire-nuclear-technology-2016-7

Plus, when the IAEA has asked to be allowed to inspect military facilities Iran refuses. This is a violation of the deal they had with Obama. It was not a deal with the US because Obama never presented it to Congress to be ratified because he knew it was so bad Congress would never pass it.

James Brown

notobtuse wrote: »

Here's some for your reading enjoyment...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-missiles-usa/u-s-confirms-iran-tested-nuclear-capable-ballistic-missile-idUSKCN0SA20Z20151016
https://mosaicmagazine.com/picks/politics-current-affairs/2019/11/iran-violated-the-nuclear-deal-in-several-ways-some-of-which-are-irreversible/
https://www.businessinsider.com/iran-trying-to-acquire-nuclear-technology-2016-7
http://isis-online.org/uploads/conferences/documents/Albright_Testimony_foreign_affairs_committee_11Oct2017_Final.pdf
https://www.businessinsider.com/iran-trying-to-acquire-nuclear-technology-2016-7

Plus, when the IAEA has asked to be allowed to inspect military facilities Iran refuses. This is a violation of the deal they had with Obama. It was not a deal with the US because Obama never presented it to Congress to be ratified because he knew it was so bad Congress would never pass it.

You could be easily talking about the assassination of Soleimani.

nacho libre

notobtuse wrote: »

Plus, when the IAEA has asked to be allowed to inspect military facilities Iran refuses.

Has Israel ever let the IAEA inspects its military facilities. Didn't Bibi have a slip of the tongue yesterday that they are a nuclear power?

Zavi13

I really wish Iran well in hitting back against this bloodthirsty US regime and its desire for imperial domination of the Middle East region. When they decide to act may their bombs and missiles find their targets and may the Americans learn a bloody lesson as they did in Beirut in 1983 when Hezbollah sent 241 Americans home in body bags.

Tony EH

What an absolute train wreck of a thread, complete with clowns talking up war that will never put a uniform on.

FFS. :rolleyes: