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US take out Suleimani - mod warning in OP

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    #1832
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    pearcider wrote: »
    Sorry they bombed one guy who was a military leader responsible for murder and mayhem for years in Iraq, Syria and other countries.

    If the yanks wanted to actually lay waste to Iran they could do easily. The fact that they are so restrained is because they are a decent civilized country.

    Decent civilised country you say?...

    History tells a different story


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    #1833
    X111111111111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭X111111111111


    alastair wrote: »
    That ‘no mark’ is a highly regarded NYT correspondent, who was in direct contact with US officials in the loop.

    And Oona A. Hathaway is, as the byline says, a Professor of international law at Yale Law School.

    Of course the New York Times, imagine my shock.

    Let me guess she can't disclose her sources for "security reasons".


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    #1834
    Still waters
    Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Still waters


    X111111111111 wrote: »
    It's a discussion forum but if you can't answer or discuss i understand. Thanks

    You answer in single sentence monologue, you clearly aren't up to the level of discussion like other posters on here, you don't discuss either, all you do is interrupt fluid debate, a wise man speaks because he has something to say while a fool speaks because he has to say something.

    I come on here to learn, i don't post on threads like this because I don't know enough about the subject matter, but it's a subject i find fascinating, what makes it hard is posters like you stifling sensible debate with your infantile mundane low intelligence trolling, do yourself a favour and listen, read, learn and then comment with some degree of knowledge, but until then please stop making yourself look like a barstool know it all, your knowledge on the subject is probably alright down the pub after work with the other Sky news watching Neanderthals but it just makes you look like a fool when trying to keep up with moderately intelligent debate on here.


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    #1835
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    pearcider wrote: »
    Sorry they bombed one guy who was a military leader responsible for murder and mayhem for years in Iraq, Syria and other countries.

    If the yanks wanted to actually lay waste to Iran they could do easily. The fact that they are so restrained is because they are a decent civilized country.

    Yes who'd want to bomb a decent civilised country.

    That's a change of heart coming from your posts, im impressed with the turnaround.

    Well done


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    #1836
    X111111111111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭X111111111111


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Decent civilised country you say?...

    History tells a different story

    Your right. Look at all those people lining up outside the Iranian Embassy for work and travel permits, oh hold on sorry that's actually the American Embassy how silly of me.


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    #1837
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,152 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    TeaBagMania wrote: »
    so were taking legal advice from the NYTimes and twitter, LOL



    well how do we know his alien status without a green card?
    just proves how inept the supreme court really is when they consider an psychopathic Iranian murderer a "person"


    You do not need to take legal advice from the NY Times, Twitter or anyone else.



    I did post the relevant section of the US constitution and the US Supreme Court`s ruling on clarification and asked you in essence could you come up with an alternative coherent ruling.


    Incoherent rambling I`m afraid does not come close.


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    #1838
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    X111111111111 wrote: »
    Of course the New York Times, imagine my shock.

    Let me guess she can't disclose her sources for "security reasons".

    No - for the usual reason journalists don’t name sources.


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    #1839
    X111111111111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭X111111111111


    Still waters wrote: »
    You answer in single sentence monologue, you clearly aren't up to the level of discussion like other posters on here, you don't discuss either, all you do is interrupt fluid debate, a wise man speaks because he has something to say while a fool speaks because he has to say something.

    I come on here to learn, i don't post on threads like this because I don't know enough about the subject matter, but it's a subject i find fascinating, what makes it hard is posters like you stifling sensible debate with your infantile mundane low intelligence trolling, do yourself a favour and listen, read, learn and then comment with some degree of knowledge, but until then please stop making yourself look like a barstool know it all, your knowledge on the subject is probably alright down the pub after work with the other Sky news watching Neanderthals but it just makes you look like a fool when trying to keep up with moderately intelligent debate on here.

    So many big words, impressive stuff.

    You didn't come on here to learn, you came to reinforce your view in an echo chamber.

    You should read the charter about accusing others of trolling btw.


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    #1840
    pearcider
    Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Decent civilised country you say?...

    History tells a different story

    Yeah well the Iranians have a blood soaked history too. But at least the US has moved with the times.


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    #1841
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    pearcider wrote: »
    Yeah well the Iranians have a blood soaked history too. But at least the US has moved with the times.

    Yeah "smart bombs" now... loaded with democracy, remind me again how many countries Iran has invaded?


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    #1842
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    pearcider wrote: »
    . . . they are a decent civilized country.


    I'm not entirely sure that all other nations would agree.

    They've used a weapon of mass destruction . . . TWICE

    Many would say that Japan was already on it's knees before Hiroshima was bombed.

    Some would say they just wanted to test their bomb.


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    #1843
    TeaBagMania
    Registered Users Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭TeaBagMania


    charlie14 wrote: »
    Yeah, you may want to check up on the US Supreme Court on that point.


    The Supreme court ruled that on the "No person" aspect of the constitution that " an alien is surely a person"
    charlie14 wrote: »
    I did post the relevant section of the US constitution and the US Supreme Court`s ruling on clarification and asked you in essence could you come up with an alternative coherent ruling.


    Incoherent rambling I`m afraid does not come close.

    couple posts back you called the psychopathic Iranian murderer an alien, so how do we know his alien status without a green card?

    you're the only one rambling and grasping at straws while posting links that speak of nothing related to the subject


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    #1844
    pearcider
    Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider


    Curious_Case wrote: »
    I'm not entirely sure that all other nations would agree.

    They've used a weapon of mass destruction . . . TWICE

    Many would say that Japan was already on it's knees before Hiroshima was bombed.

    Some would say they just wanted to test their bomb.

    The Japanese attacked them first. Are you seriously blaming the US for ending the war early. The nuclear bombs saved many American lives.


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    #1845
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Curious_Case wrote: »
    I'm not entirely sure that all other nations would agree.

    They've used a weapon of mass destruction . . . TWICE

    Many would say that Japan was already on it's knees before Hiroshima was bombed.

    Some would say they just wanted to test their bomb.

    The US have a well oiled media propaganda machine that paints them as global liberators, you can see its effect on some of the posters here


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    #1846
    X111111111111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭X111111111111


    Curious_Case wrote: »
    I'm not entirely sure that all other nations would agree.

    They've used a weapon of mass destruction . . . TWICE

    Many would say that Japan was already on it's knees before Hiroshima was bombed.

    Some would say they just wanted to test their bomb.

    Would you suggest Iran is a more civilised country?


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    #1847
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    TeaBagMania wrote: »
    you're the only one rambling and grasping at straws while posting links that speak of nothing related to the subject

    Speaking of which - no doubt you’ll be posting up a link to evidence supporting the notion that this killing was legal?


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    #1848
    Still waters
    Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Still waters


    X111111111111 wrote: »
    So many big words, impressive stuff.

    You didn't come on here to learn, you came to reinforce your view in an echo chamber.

    You should read the charter about accusing others of trolling btw.

    If you consider anything of what i wrote to be " big words " then that only reinforces what I've said


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    #1849
    pearcider
    Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭pearcider


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Yeah "smart bombs" now... loaded with democracy, remind me again how many countries Iran has invaded?

    Your anti Americanism is laughable at this stage.

    For the rest of us normal people, we are just thankful it’s America that rules the world and not some crazy Islamic caliphate.


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    #1850
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    alastair wrote: »
    If you’re interested in the constitutional rights issues:
    https://www.lawfareblog.com/legality-us-governments-targeted-killing-program-under-do

    Self defence is a valid legal defence of targetted killing alright, but it doesn’t support the killing of Soleimani, as was made clear by the NYT. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/soleimani-strike-law/604417/

    https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/1213421769777909761?s=21
    Could you imagine what would happen to Trump if it was learned there was an imminent threat to US personnel and he did nothing? I’d imagine a whole new impeachment inquiry by the Democrats would be undertaken claiming him unfit for duty.

    The whole episode is crazy. A murderous thug with the death of some 600 US servicemen on his hands, and who was planning more mayhem, is taken out with a surgical strike and Trump is the bad guy. Trump Derangement Syndrome is sweeping the world.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1851
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    X111111111111 wrote: »
    Would you suggest Iran is a more civilised country?

    Hard to make that comparison when you've mass crime, mass shootings and people ****ting all over the streets in the US


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    #1852
    X111111111111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭X111111111111


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    The US have a well oiled media propaganda machine that paints them as global liberators, you can see its effect on some of the posters here

    Yeah i think the vast majority of europeans and the 2 plus million Jews, gypsies and homosexuals rescued from concentration camps at the end of WW2 wouldn't be calling it propaganda.


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    #1853
    X111111111111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭X111111111111


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Hard to make that comparison when you've mass crime, mass shootings and people sitting all over the streets in the US

    So no answer? Are you suggesting Iran is more civilised or not.


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    #1854
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    pearcider wrote: »
    Your anti Americanism is laughable at this stage.

    For the rest of us normal people, we are just thankful it’s America that rules the world and not some crazy Islamic caliphate.

    Why would America like to rule a crazy caliphate?

    Isn't a caliphate a sunni aspiration and not a shia aspiration.

    You are getting really mixed up with the different culture's and religions in the middle East.

    You should read a few Robert Fisk books


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    #1855
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    X111111111111 wrote: »
    So no answer? Are you suggesting Iran is more civilised or not.

    In some ways yes, in other ways no, I think the leadership of Iran are far more level headed that's for sure, you basically have a knuckle head in charge of the US


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    #1856
    TeaBagMania
    Registered Users Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭TeaBagMania


    alastair wrote: »
    Speaking of which - no doubt you’ll be posting up a link to evidence supporting the notion that this killing was legal?

    It was, Chuck posted a link a couple posts back referring to that subject


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    #1857
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    pearcider wrote: »
    The Japanese attacked them first. Are you seriously blaming the US for ending the war early. The nuclear bombs saved many American lives.

    Are you seriously suggesting that the bombing of Nagasaki was IN ANY WAY necessary?

    Surely you expected me to reply with the above question ???


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    #1858
    X111111111111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭X111111111111


    Still waters wrote: »
    If you consider anything of what i wrote to be " big words " then that only reinforces what I've said

    Well you threw a load of words together accusing someone who doesnt agree with you of being a troll. By all means argue your point and rebuff mine but don't be accusing someone of trolling because they have a different point of view from yourself.

    You are better than that, im sure of it.


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    #1859
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Could you imagine what would happen to Trump if it was learned there was an imminent threat to US personnel and he did nothing? I’d imagine a whole new impeachment inquiry by the Democrats would be undertaken claiming him unfit for duty.

    The whole episode is crazy. A murderous thug with the death of some 600 US servicemen on his hands, and who was planning more mayhem, is taken out with a surgical strike and Trump is the bad guy. Trump Derangement Syndrome is sweeping the world.

    Thing is - there’s nothing to suggest any imminent threat to US personnel. And where exactly are you basing this 600 deaths figure on? What connects the man to them?


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    #1860
    X111111111111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭X111111111111


    Curious_Case wrote: »
    Are you seriously suggesting that the bombing of Nagasaki was IN ANY WAY necessary?

    Surely you expected me to reply with the above question ???

    We are going way off subject here but many will say the bombing of those cities saved more lives in the long run. I'm not sure of that myself but it is a worthwhile argument.


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    #1861
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    X111111111111 wrote: »
    Yeah i think the vast majority of europeans and the 2 plus million Jews, gypsies and homosexuals rescued from concentration camps at the end of WW2 wouldn't be calling it propaganda.

    That was 75 years ago!

    They're not calling it anything because they're mostly dead.


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