US take out Suleimani - mod warning in OP

igCorcaigh

Does anyone one else think that this was all arranged?

If so, then well played.

ceadaoin.

Fonny122 wrote: »

Trumpism really is little more than a cult of hate, nothing more. Just look at the trump supporters in this thread, positively giddy about death and war kicking off and talking about it like premier league fans in the days before the start of the season. No different to the glee they take in what is happening to the children on the Mexican border.

They're a sad, disgusting lot who will be remembered for what they are.

Both sides were positively giddy at the thought of war tbh. Why pretend its only "trump supporters" (as if there are loads of those here on boards or on this thread)

mulbot wrote: »

You'll see hardcore loyalty now. Americans bluff has been answered,well done Iran,let it rain

mulbot wrote: »

Hahaha inbred hillbillies will be sorry they became prostitutes for Israel

archer22 wrote: »

Happy hunting Iran, hit the scum hard and fast.

archer22 wrote: »

It must be dawning on Trump, Pompeo and Bolton now that there will be hit squads coming after them as well.

ArchXStanton

"Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of UN Charter targeting base from which cowardly armed attack against our citizens & senior officials were launched.

We do not seek escalation or war, but will defend ourselves against any aggression." - Zarif

suicide_circus

Iran have responded but without necessarily escalating. Honour satisfied?

igCorcaigh

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Does anyone one else think that this was all arranged?

If so, then well played.

Trump is the shrewd deal maker.
“Only Iraqis will die? You got yourself a deal!”

Fonny122

simongurnick wrote: »

Canada is a given

Good chance, though they are apparently very pissed about Trump (who labeled them a national security threat) not consulting them, and interestingly they have moved troops out od Iraq and into Kuwait, which wouldn't suggest them having much interest in this mess.

Not too likely but if they don't, it really will be the ultimate indictment of Trumps absolutely stunning incompetence and uselessness.

Manic Moran

Headshot wrote: »

Doesn't look like any patriot missiles defending the base

Possible. We'll probably find out in the morning when the damage assessments come out. The missile control computers will have a zone plugged into them basically saying "If the missile's going to land here, intercept. If the missile's going to land there, don't bother wasting the ammo, it's going to hit dirt". The lack of interceptors visible don't mean a hell of a lot. I don't buy the 'intentionally missing' line. There's no way of being sure with an ICBM. A base in Iraq is a -lot- of empty space. I should know, I've seen my fair share of them. I don't believe C-RAM is capable against SRBMs, I wouldn't be surprised if a local militia decided to lob their own rocket or mortar or two at the same time.

Note, the IRGC is claiming the attack, the regular Iranian military has not done anything except defensive stuff so far. If they stay within their borders, I don't think the USAF or USN will immediately attack.

Consensus seems to suggest between 5 and 10 arrived in Iraq , seems either counter measures worked very well or most of them Iranian missiles you cheered missed and missed badly

Also possible the US Navy had something to say on the matter. The primary ballistic missile defense system for the US is actually ship-borne, and I wouldn't be surprised if the USN has a destroyer in the gulf with a few interceptors aboard.

simongurnick

Fonny122 wrote: »

Good chance, though they are apparently very pissed about Trump (who labeled them a national security threat) not consulting them, and interestingly they have moved troops out od Iraq and into Kuwait, which wouldn't suggest them having much interest in this mess.

Not too likely but if they don't, it really will be the ultimate indictment of Trumps absolutely stunning incompetence and uselessness.

Absolutely they are pissed and they wont weigh in yet, but ultimately they have no choice.

Manic Moran

From a buddy of mine who was a Marine based at one of the bases.

"So, apparently Iran just wasted a dozen or so valuable surface to surface missiles on a base that makes Tatooine look like the Taj Mahal. We received plenty of indirect fire when I was there in 2005-06, when the base was far more densely populated than it is now, and we suffered very few casualties. Rocketing Al Asad is like playing darts, on a rocking ship, from 50 feet away...in the dark. "

Further disinclined to go with "intentional miss"

Fonny122

simongurnick wrote: »

Absolutely they are pissed and they wont weigh in yet, but ultimately they have no choice.

Yeah most likely, it seems like trudeau has yet to say anything which may be quite telling in itself.

iebamm2580

Manic Moran wrote: »

From a buddy of mine who was a Marine based at one of the bases.

"So, apparently Iran just wasted a dozen or so valuable surface to surface missiles on a base that makes Tatooine look like the Taj Mahal. We received plenty of indirect fire when I was there in 2005-06, when the base was far more densely populated than it is now, and we suffered very few casualties. Rocketing Al Asad is like playing darts, on a rocking ship, from 50 feet away...in the dark. "

Further disinclined to go with "intentional miss"

So just Iranian incompetence then.

Fonny122

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Both sides were positively giddy at the thought of war tbh. Why pretend its only "trump supporters" (as if there are loads of those here on boards or on this thread)

Thanks for that, I had seen the last one which I didn't think of as a sports mentality and more stating a bit of a fact, but the other three are equally pathetic.

Tens of thousands of people - and that's a best case scenario - are sure to die if this escalates any more at all. To see people celebrating it is utterly deranged.

Outlaw Pete

Hoping there was nothing sinister behind this ...


https://twitter.com/ranarahimpour/status/1214752909927362560

Larbre34

suicide_circus wrote: »

Iran have responded but without necessarily escalating. Honour satisfied?

Nothing honourable about any of this, and they aren't they bloody Klingons.

Based on the rules of 10 year boys in the street, they got to inflict their dead arm on a compliant opponent and all is even again, even though it clearly isn't.

From a purely selfish point of view, if it does escalate to wider regional attacks, I only hope a few Hutch Kinaham types get taken out in Dubai.

Either way, expensive auld petrol for a few months lads.

Fonny122

Saw this on reddit, very apt right now:

Khrushchev to Kennedy concerning the Cuban Missile Crisis: "We and you ought not pull on the ends of a rope in which you have tied the knots of war. Because the more the two of us pull the tighter the knot will be tied. And then it will be necessary to cut that knot, and what that would mean is not for me to explain to you. I have participated in two wars and know that war ends when it has rolled through cities and villages, everywhere sowing death and destruction. For such is the logic of war. If people do not display wisdom they will clash like blind moles and then mutual annihilation will commence."

Gatling

I seem to recall russia firing newest and greatest missile at an isis target in Syria a few years back like tonight Irish people on here cheering that Russia was sticking it to America ,but some of these missiles missed their targets in Syria and ended up hitting civilian areas in Iran instead .


We had several obvious cases of premature ejaculations at the idea Iran was winning tonight ,it's real they are attacking America yeah Iraqis are going to die who cares America is being attacked,

30 odd missile or rockets 10 may have made it to Iraq 20 didn't and no Americans killed ,

But wait according to boardies they missed on purpose .



Clean up on isle 3 ,clean up on isle 3 there has been spillages !

Larbre34

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Hoping there was nothing sinister behind this ...

Its a bit like when the comedy farmer shouts 'get orf my land' and fires a warning shot in the air and the dead duck lands on his head.

It would be Ukrainian though, wouldn't it.

Gatling

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Hoping there was nothing sinister behind this ...

Not again ,

Surely Iran cleared all airspace before lobbing rockets into the night sky

tuxy

Manic Moran wrote: »

I don't believe C-RAM is capable against ICBMs, I wouldn't be surprised if a local militia decided to lob their own rocket or mortar or two at the same time.

Intercontinental ballistic missiles were used?

Manic Moran

tuxy wrote: »

Intercontinental ballistic missiles were used?

No, you're right. SRBMs, my typo.

The Ukrainian airplane is reported down to "Technical difficulties".

I guess, in theory, a drone interfacing with an engine is a 'technical difficulty'. Airplane was on fire on the way down. Could also be a plain old bird strike or some such though.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/ukrainian-airliner-crashes-tehran-iranian-media-200108032720868.html

I guess it'll be interesting to see if Iran let's Boeing's representatives check out the wreckage.

KyussB

Think this is a legitimate video - from a BBC Persian correspondent:
https://twitter.com/BahmanKalbasi/status/1214759246795100161

A crush with 50+ people before, now another ~180 dead in this crash, potentially...

Outlaw Pete

News agency Al Hadath tweeted the following:

suicide_circus

why would they target a plane taking off from their own airport?

Outlaw Pete

Perhaps there were Americans on board given all had been advised to leave Iran?

Could be a genuine crash of course though and the timing of it just coincidental, as was the case with Flight 587 which crashed in New York shortly after taking off from JFK (killing 260) just four weeks after 911.

Manic Moran

suicide_circus wrote: »

why would they target a plane taking off from their own airport?

Same reason a US Navy ship would target an airliner flying around Iran, or a Russian SAM would target an airliner over Ukraine. High tensions and crew expecting to see an attack.

Not sure how that news agency concluded an Iranian missile, though. Unless the Iranian military is being particularly forthright.

jimmycrackcorm

I would not be surprised if the Iranians mistakenly shot the plane down confusing it with an US attack after it shot missiles.

There aren't many reasons why a plane explodes in the sky other than that.

GolfNut33

Has to have been taken down deliberately. What are the chances if that happening a couple of hours after the rockets were fired? Boeing's just dont crash that frequently.

GolfNut33

GolfNut33 wrote: »

Has to have been taken down deliberately. What are the chances if that happening a couple of hours after the rockets were fired? Boeing's just dont crash that frequently.

Far more likely to be a mistake.

Outlaw Pete

Hhhm, apparently the engine caught fire according to RT:

A Ukrainian Boeing 737-800 had suffered an engine malfunction before it went down a few minutes after taking off from Tehran’s Imam Khomeini airport, its official has said.
The engine caught fire when the plane was airborne, Ali Khashani, a senior public relations official at Iran’s major airport, was quoted by local media. The fatal engine failure purportedly saw the jet hitting the ground between the cities of Sharhiar and Parand early in the morning on Wednesday.

The airliner, operated by Ukraine International Airlines (UIA), carried 168 passengers and nine crew, most of whom were Iranians, according to Reza Jafarzadeh, a spokesman for Iran’s Civil Aviation Organization.

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1214791875456053251

jimmycrackcorm

alastair wrote: »

Why are they firing at the things then? What’s incompetent about landing ten missiles on an air base?

It might be competent if Iran deliberately avoided the US section of the base but Iraqis become casualties instead. Because that helps the current narrative of the Iraqis wanting the US forces to leave.
A suitable goal for Iran