Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

US take out Suleimani - mod warning in OP

Options
1…8889919394…123

Comments

  • Options
    #2702
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    X111111111111 wrote: »
    Clinton would have attacked Tehran.

    Of course she would. 🙄


  • Options
    #2703
    The Phantom Jipper
    Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    X111111111111 wrote: »
    Clinton would have attacked Tehran.

    Clinton wouldn't have left the JCPOA in the first place, or assassinated one of their top generals.


  • Options
    #2704
    X111111111111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭X111111111111


    The Phantom Jipper wrote: »
    Clinton wouldn't have left the JCPOA in the first place, or assassinated one of their top generals.

    Terrorist actually


  • Options
    #2705
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    X111111111111 wrote: »
    oMy best guess at this stage is the Iranians realising they are complete clowns and likely to be destroyed told the Americans (through the Iraqi's) well in advance that they needed to be seen to spin something to their people and the Americans said here's an empty air base with a few drones and helicopters for you to take out. Situation descalated but now the thickos in Iran have shot down a plane either by mistake or by a rouge commander and their arses are gone loose again.

    Let's just be thankful Americans have a level headed President.

    Rouge in the face.


  • Options
    #2706
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    GM228 wrote: »
    I've already done that, it's not at all common for an engine fire to result in a plane going down as a fireball at a 45⁰ angle
    Concorde? It's not common, but it's also not unheard of.

    For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not claiming this was definitely an accident, but I am trying to piece the bits together. It doesn't make sense for Iran to intentionally bring this plane down. It was mostly Iranians and Canadian citizens on a Ukrainian airliner.

    Crashes are most likely to occur after takeoff or on approach. This makes it less suspicious.

    Translations of the video of the aircraft coming down make no mention of an explosion, instead that the aircraft burst into flames, as one would expect an enginer fire to do. Though that doesn't mean there was no explosion.

    The plane was last serviced two days ago. To me, that makes a failure less suspicious, an engineer could have accidentally or deliberately tampered with the aircraft. If it had made numerous trips since being serviced, then it's more suspicious. But crashing on its first flight after a service? My first place to look at would be who serviced it and what they did.

    On the suspicious side, Iranian TV was very quick to claim a mechnical failure.

    Alleged photo from the crash show puncture marks in the fuselage. Puncture marks going in, not coming out. If they're confirmed to be authentic, then they're the biggest smoking gun that the plane was attacked by a missle.

    Timing is obviously a big one. However, the crash site is a very long way from the missles launched into Iraq. There is no direct link between the two incidents.

    The number of possible bad actors here is high. Lots of countries with something to gain by stoking up tensions, including Iran.


    The most plausible suggestion IMO is that an Iranian air defence system malfunctioned or oherwise fired erroneously. This would explain why a seemingly random plane was downed, why Iran was so quick to claim an accident, why there may be puncture wounds on the aircraft, and why it happened so close to the attack in Iraq - because Iranian defence systems would have been on high alert for a US counterattack.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #2707
    cosybeach
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭cosybeach


    speculation the plane was carrying diplomatic staff they were heading for safety a couple of airlines have suspended flights to the airport and airspace.
    I think there would have been a heightened state of readiness since it was after the missile launch and this was a casualty hopefully calmer heads will take stock of this tragedy


  • Options
    #2708
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,223 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    X111111111111 wrote: »
    oMy best guess at this stage is the Iranians realising they are complete clowns and likely to be destroyed told the Americans (through the Iraqi's) well in advance that they needed to be seen to spin something to their people and the Americans said here's an empty air base with a few drones and helicopters for you to take out. Situation descalated but now the thickos in Iran have shot down a plane either by mistake or by a rouge commander and their arses are gone loose again.

    Let's just be thankful Americans have a level headed President.

    Hahahhaaa I love boards


  • Options
    #2709
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,642 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    The Aviation Herald's page on the crash is here

    https://avherald.com/h?article=4d1aea51&opt=0


  • Options
    #2710
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,182 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    X111111111111 wrote: »

    Let's just be thankful Americans have a level headed President.


    Be careful they will say you are obsessed with trump.:eek:


  • Options
    #2711
    X111111111111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭X111111111111


    cosybeach wrote: »
    speculation the plane was carrying diplomatic staff they were heading for safety a couple of airlines have suspended flights to the airport and airspace.
    I think there would have been a heightened state of readiness since it was after the missile launch and this was a casualty hopefully calmer heads will take stock of this tragedy

    Another coincidence


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #2712
    SaintLeibowitz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 163 ✭✭SaintLeibowitz


    X111111111111 wrote: »
    oMy best guess at this stage is the Iranians realising they are complete clowns and likely to be destroyed told the Americans (through the Iraqi's) well in advance that they needed to be seen to spin something to their people and the Americans said here's an empty air base with a few drones and helicopters for you to take out. Situation descalated but now the thickos in Iran have shot down a plane either by mistake or by a rouge commander and their arses are gone loose again.

    Let's just be thankful Americans have a level headed President.

    Now this is an example of trump derangement syndrome.


  • Options
    #2713
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,326 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    No fan of Trump but it looks like quite a result for him.

    A major regional menace removed, a message sent to the Iranian high command and the Iranians exposed as weak and ineffective.

    Not a bad result for a moron.


  • Options
    #2714
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,535 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    No fan of Trump but it looks like quite a result for him.

    A major regional menace removed, a message sent to the Iranian high command and the Iranians exposed as weak and ineffective.

    Not a bad result for a moron.

    It this deescalates now, then I think well played by both sides.

    The underlying issues still stand though, but good work on defusing the current crisis.


  • Options
    #2715
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    No fan of Trump but it looks like quite a result for him.

    A major regional menace removed, a message sent to the Iranian high command and the Iranians exposed as weak and ineffective.

    Not a bad result for a moron.

    If anything it's strengthened irans position, they went against US threats of retaliation, Iran have met everything the US has dished out to them, from drones to seized tankers, now its up to dufus if he wants to escalate this and for conflict to break out all over the region, as Iran have shown last night they have the capability to launch and hit targets not to mention their proxies all across the middle east


  • Options
    #2716
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    X111111111111 wrote: »
    the Americans said here's an empty air base with a few drones and helicopters for you to take out.

    Seems like this is possibly what happened, Apparently the base was evacuated in the 3 days before the missile strike.
    Similar to when Trump bombed the base in Syria, which turned out to be an empty airfield.


  • Options
    #2717
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,223 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Seems like this is possibly what happened, Apparently the base was evacuated in the 3 days before the missile strike.
    Similar to when Trump bombed the base in Syria, which turned out to be an empty airfield.

    Or when he launched the MOAB at a mountain in Afghanistan. Nailed a few goats I think?


  • Options
    #2718
    X111111111111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭X111111111111


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Seems like this is possibly what happened, Apparently the base was evacuated in the 3 days before the missile strike.
    Similar to when Trump bombed the base in Syria, which turned out to be an empty airfield.

    Yeah it seems the most likely scenario at present. Don't be surprised to see a few bodies lying around with US issue military clothing on released by the mad mullahs within the next few hours to support their insane narrative. They have to sell this hard to their people because at present they are getting rightly ridiculed by everyone.


  • Options
    #2719
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    faceman wrote: »
    The Aviation Herald's page on the crash is here

    https://avherald.com/h?article=4d1aea51&opt=0

    What an absolute tragedy. The real cost of egotistical maniacs on both sides playing silly war games is innocent lives.


  • Options
    #2720
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,152 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    faceman wrote: »
    The Aviation Herald's page on the crash is here

    https://avherald.com/h?article=4d1aea51&opt=0

    That report from The Aviation Herald suggest that from the crash site position the plane had turned around and was going back towards the airport.
    Could the fact that this plane was a Boeing 737-800 have anything to do with the crash ?
    I know it is not a Boeing 737-Max 8 but there are a lot of similarities between both.


  • Options
    #2721
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    charlie14 wrote: »
    That report from The Aviation Herald suggest that from the crash site position the plane had turned around and was going back towards the airport.
    Could the fact that this plane was a Boeing 737-800 have anything to do with the crash ?
    I know it is not a Boeing 737-Max 8 but there are a lot of similarities between both.

    Definitely not. The plane went down in a fireball where as the max aircraft essentially slammed themselves into the ground, creating a crater in the Ethiopian instance.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #2722
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,152 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Or when he launched the MOAB at a mountain in Afghanistan. Nailed a few goats I think?

    Apparently it made a lot of noise and a lot of hot air was floating around for a while afterwards

    I can see how it appealed to him.


  • Options
    #2723
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    https://twitter.com/safimichael/status/1214866094948831233


  • Options
    #2724
    charlie14
    Registered Users Posts: 15,152 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Definitely not. The plane went down in a fireball where as the max aircraft essentially slammed themselves into the ground, creating a crater in the Ethiopian instance.

    Perhaps, but there are reports that it impacted at a 45% angle.
    There has been some speculation that from puncture holes in the fuselage this was a missile strike. For puncture holes would an exploding engine perhaps not be more a possibility that a missile strike ?


  • Options
    #2725
    GM228
    Registered Users Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    seamus wrote: »
    Concorde? It's not common, but it's also not unheard of.

    Concorde is not comparable, it had a ruptured fuel tank and unique engines, only two types of plane ever had such a design, such engines and variable geometry exhaust system.

    The fire flame was due to the unique design of the plane and its aerodynamics, in fact I seem to recall special scientific tests required to figure out exactly why it happened the way it did and concluded it simply can't happen in conventional frames.


  • Options
    #2726
    X111111111111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭X111111111111


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/safimichael/status/1214866094948831233

    Mortified for Iran.

    They really have outdone themselves this time.


  • Options
    #2727
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,326 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    If anything it's strengthened irans position, they went against US threats of retaliation, Iran have met everything the US has dished out to them, from drones to seized tankers, now its up to dufus if he wants to escalate this and for conflict to break out all over the region, as Iran have shown last night they have the capability to launch and hit targets not to mention their proxies all across the middle east

    Iran have had their arses handed to them.


  • Options
    #2728
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    charlie14 wrote: »
    That report from The Aviation Herald suggest that from the crash site position the plane had turned around and was going back towards the airport.
    Indeed. It travelled quite a distance before coming down, which would suggest that the transponder systems failed 2-3 minutes before the plane hit the ground.

    That's not to say the pilots were intentionally trying to turn it around; the control systems could have failed and caused the aircraft to turn towards the crash site.
    Could the fact that this plane was a Boeing 737-800 have anything to do with the crash ?
    I know it is not a Boeing 737-Max 8 but there are a lot of similarities between both.
    No, very different aircraft. If there were issues with this model, we'd have seen a lot more aircraft dropping out of the sky before now.


  • Options
    #2729
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Iran have had their arses handed to them.

    Were? I see Bibi came out of his shelter this morning to unleash a few threats and that's about it


  • Options
    #2730
    alchemist33
    Registered Users Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    X111111111111 wrote: »
    Mortified for Iran.

    They really have outdone themselves this time.

    By showing some restraint? Looks like they have some cool heads in charge


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #2731
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,223 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    X111111111111 wrote: »
    Mortified for Iran.

    They really have outdone themselves this time.

    They did it so looks good for the people at home but nobody dies. They don’t want a war with the US.


Advertisement