US take out Suleimani - mod warning in OP

blackwhite

charlie14 wrote: »

That report from The Aviation Herald suggest that from the crash site position the plane had turned around and was going back towards the airport.
Could the fact that this plane was a Boeing 737-800 have anything to do with the crash ?
I know it is not a Boeing 737-Max 8 but there are a lot of similarities between both.

The quote that "The crew did not transmit any emergency call and did not indicate any problems" would suggest that once whatever caused the crash happened (whether missile strike or otherwise) that it was immediately catastrophic. If the crew didn't get an emergency call away then it's hard to see them having had time to turn the aircraft around back towards the airport.

charlie14

GM228 wrote: »

Concorde is not comparable, it had a ruptured fuel tank and unique engines, only two types of plane ever had such a design, such engines and variable geometry exhaust system.

The fire flame was due to the unique design of the plane and its aerodynamics, in fact I seem to recall special scientific tests required to figure out exactly why it happened the way it did and concluded it simply can't happen in conventional frames.

I actually flew into Charles De Gaulle airport that night just after the Concord crash and followed the investigation afterwards.
The crash by my understanding was due to debris on the runway that punctured a Concord fuel tank on take-off. When the pilot engaged Concord`s after- burners that was the catalyst for the fuel tank explosion.
Like thousands of other planes the 787-800 fuel tanks are in the wings.
An engine fire can very quickly cause those fuel tanks to explode.

charlie14

blackwhite wrote: »

The quote that "The crew did not transmit any emergency call and did not indicate any problems" would suggest that once whatever caused the crash happened (whether missile strike or otherwise) that it was immediately catastrophic. If the crew didn't get an emergency call away then it's hard to see them having had time to turn the aircraft around back towards the airport.

I would have thought that myself, but the report that the plane was possibly heading back towards the airport when it crashed seemed strange.

Cody montana

Will dumbass trump respond with bombs?

alastair

X111111111111 wrote: »

Mortified for Iran.

They really have outdone themselves this time.

That they managed to get a consistent message to the Iraqi’s, unlike the US and their farewell letter? 😂

alastair

facehugger99 wrote: »

Iran have had their arses handed to them.

I think you’ll find it’s Iraq they’ve had handed to them.

Mahony0509

Based on the fact that Ukrainian plane just fell out of the sky in flames I’m led to believe there was some sort of explosion. An engine fire/failure does not simply bring down an aircraft. Planes are designed to be able to fly on one engine and have firefighting capabilities should an engine catch fire.

cosybeach

beginning to look like a take down Iran doesnt wat to hand over the black boxes

https://noqreport.com/2020/01/08/iran-shot-down-ukrainian-plane/

Cheerful Spring2

I have not seen any images of the base after this missile attack. When a base is hit with 10 missiles well going to be destruction to facilities and military equipment. 
Officials maybe not all are of the same point of view say Iran moved against this base as it had few US staff and soldiers stationed there. Iran chose to not kill a lot of US troops?
Iran supposedly warned ahead Iraq ahead of time, they would do a missile strike inside their country?
Troops at the base got early warning sirens, so the attack was not a surprise.  
Iran could have struck every US base in the region last night, but they went for a low risk punch instead. 
Trump decision now to respond. 

nacho libre

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Yes not to cross the us red line as i have been saying with hours, very weak from iran after all that revenge talk.

Or very calculating, which gives the lie to all the talk about the clerics seeking martyrdom above all else.

It's obvious this was a face saving exercise to appease a domestic audience.
The likes of Bolton and other war junkies will be very disappointed that the tension will now simmer down, and we are back to where were before the US killed Suleimnai

Iran will now go back to playing the long game in the months and years ahead to use their proxies to counter US geo politiocal aims in the Mid East.

alastair

nacho libre wrote: »

Iran will now go back to playing the long game in the months and years ahead to use their proxies to counter US geo politiocal aims in the Mid East.

While elbowing the US out of Iraq.

Cheerful Spring2

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1214895207021502464

skepticalme

https://twitter.com/3sdiestanding/status/1214890623322542084?s=20

Cheerful Spring2

nacho libre wrote: »

Or very calculating, which gives the lie to all the talk about the clerics seeking martyrdom above all else.

It's obvious this was a face saving exercise to appease a domestic audience.
The likes of Bolton and other war junkies will be very disappointed that the tension will now simmer down, and we are back to where were before the US killed Suleimnai

Iran will now go back to playing the long game in the months and years ahead to use their proxies to counter US geo politiocal aims in the Mid East.

Iran also claiming this where the drone that killed Soleimani lifted off from?
US is not insisting they lost no military equipment and facilities though, just nobody was killed here so far.
Every watching what Trump will do next. Lets hope he accept the hits and call it a day?

osarusan

skepticalme wrote: »

https://twitter.com/3sdiestanding/status/1214890623322542084?s=20

3rd picture (of the damage) seems to have been lifted from google maps, and if so, is fake.

Gatling

So Iran have recovered the 737s flight recorder and are refusing to return it to Boeing or America ,

It's safe to say Iran will either bury it or give to to the Kremlin who will accidentally lose it

jimmycrackcorm

It'll be very telling what the Iranians do sky the black boxes.
They don't have the capability to do the analysis themselves so they will have to send them somewhere.

They don't want Boeing to examine them. But I guess that is fair game when they're in a mess over their MAX approvals.

ohnonotgmail

Gatling wrote: »

So Iran have recovered the 737s flight recorder and are refusing to return it to Boeing or America ,

It's safe to say Iran will either bury it or give to to the Kremlin who will accidentally lose it

if you were iran would you trust the americans enough to give it to them?

Cheerful Spring2

osarusan wrote: »

3rd picture (of the damage) seems to have been lifted from google maps, and if so, is fake.

We have to wait and see if it's real daylight image taken after the strikes?

charlie14

cosybeach wrote: »

beginning to look like a take down Iran doesnt wat to hand over the black boxes

https://noqreport.com/2020/01/08/iran-shot-down-ukrainian-plane/

I would not give that a lot of notice tbh.

Not only is it just an opinion piece, his mention of the Iranians handing the flight recorders over to Boeing as being standard practice is balloney.

The relevant aviation authority responsible for any area where there is a plane crash investigate and examine the flight recorder data.
They do not just hand them over to the plane manufacturer as soon as they find them.

Gatling

So the base is still there ,

Iran's missiles missed badly .


The the Iran fanboi's who were bating themselves blind at the idea of Americans getting killed and the base turned to rubble ,have now about face claiming Iran missed on purpose to show off ,

How fcuking pathetic can you's really be

THE_SHEEP

Gatling wrote: »

So the base is still there ,

Iran's missiles missed badly .


The the Iran fanboi's who were bating themselves blind at the idea of Americans getting killed and the base turned to rubble ,have now about face claiming Iran missed on purpose to show off ,

How fcuking pathetic can you's really be

Iran 0 : Trump 1

To use a soccer phrase ; Trump ahead on away goals rule !! Lol .

charlie14

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It'll be very telling what the Iranians do sky the black boxes.
They don't have the capability to do the analysis themselves so they will have to send them somewhere.

They don't want Boeing to examine them. But I guess that is fair game when they're in a mess over their MAX approvals.

Why do you believe Iran do not have the capability to do the analysis themselves ?

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

So the base is still there ,

Iran's missiles missed badly .


The the Iran fanboi's who were bating themselves blind at the idea of Americans getting killed and the base turned to rubble ,have now about face claiming Iran missed on purpose to show off ,

How fcuking pathetic can you's really be

Highly pathetic it would seem
10 missiles hit the base. Fact.

Gatling

charlie14 wrote: »

I would not give that a lot of notice tbh.

The Iranians have publicly stated they are not handing the flight recorders (black boxes ) ,
Iran hit the plane accidentally but that's ok apparently ,they joined the exclusive ranks of counties that have shot down civilians airliners along with the US and russia who top the league table with multiple shooting downs of civilian airliners.

No moral high ground for iran now awwwe

Gatling

alastair wrote: »

Highly pathetic .

Yes highly pathetic cheering the deaths of innocent Iraqis .

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

So the base is still there ,

Iran's missiles missed badly .


The the Iran fanboi's who were bating themselves blind at the idea of Americans getting killed and the base turned to rubble ,have now about face claiming Iran missed on purpose to show off ,

How fcuking pathetic can you's really be

Pentagon even specified the base has very little US personnel. They got an early attack sirens to escape. Do you think they just wait around to be killed? 

What we lack right now is confirmed images of base after last night's events, to truly learn how accurate the missiles were. The missiles flew 900 miles from inside Iran. We also have to wait and see if missiles hit facilities and destroyed equipment and if there was damage the missiles were accurate.

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

The Iranians have publicly stated they are not handing the flight recorders (black boxes ) ,
Iran hit the plane accidentally but that's ok apparently ,they joined the exclusive ranks of counties that have shot down civilians airliners along with the US and russia who top the league table with multiple shooting downs of civilian airliners.

No moral high ground for iran now awwwe

Nope - they said they wouldn’t send them to Boeing/the US. No different to Ethiopian Airlines in that regard - they sent theirs to France.

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

Yes highly pathetic cheering the deaths of innocent Iraqis .

Which Iraqis are those then? The only Iraqis killed so far were killed by the US.

Elmer Blooker

Gatling wrote: »

So Iran have recovered the 737s flight recorder and are refusing to return it to Boeing or America ,

It's safe to say Iran will either bury it or give to to the Kremlin who will accidentally lose it

No Gatling it was the MH17 flight recorders that got 'lost'.
They ended up in the UK which was very odd as they weren't one of the four countries involved in the inquiry.