US take out Suleimani - mod warning in OP

Billy Mays

Billy Mays wrote: »

Missed Trump's speech. How many times did he mention Obama?

He just mentioned the previous administration while calling out what he thinks was a bad deal because Iran got a lot of money as part of it.

MeMen2_MoRi_

The talk to nation last night was probably before he found out that the mullahs of Iran gave the bases the chance to clear. No advanced warning, it would of been war he would of been declaring war!

notobtuse

Odhinn wrote: »

A few. The usual guff re the treaty the US reneged on.

You really don't understand our system, do you? No reneged... what is done by executive order can be undone by executive order. Obama didn't get it passed through Congress because he knew it was so bad it would never have flied. That's why he did it through executive order... which is only good as long as he was president.

RoryMac

igCorcaigh wrote: »

This is what I hoped for.

Iran and US have managed this crisis well.

I'd imagine a lot of work being done behind the scenes from other countries putting pressure on both the US & Iran to de-escalate the situation.

The attack last night from Iran with prior warning given had the look of a free shot to save face and allow for both sides to stand down

igCorcaigh

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

The talk to nation last night was probably before he found out that the mullahs of Iran gave the bases the chance to clear. No advanced warning, it would of been war he would of been declaring war!

It was very well managed. Good on them both.

nthclare

notobtuse wrote: »

Only Democrats and their media handmaidens.

Lol some phones have better screens than others.
How did you smash yours then.

I'd be more Red than Blue to be honest, but I see it as it is.

Just because I lean right, it doesn't mean that I have to lack a mind and opinion of my own, I don't like war but sure who does?

igCorcaigh

I might suppose that the proxy attacks might still take place.

But at least a nation to nation war is defused for now.

Good work on the leadership of both nations.

notobtuse

nthclare wrote: »

Lol some phones have better screens than others.
How did you smash yours then.

I'd be more Red than Blue to be honest, but I see it as it is.

Just because I lean right, it doesn't mean that I have to lack a mind and opinion of my own, I don't like war but sure who does?

Phone’s intact and doing just fine. I can’t say the same for members of CNN and MSLSD. The speech went exactly as I had hoped for. Don’t get sucked into bogus stereotypes.

nacho libre

Gatling wrote: »

Yes I said Iran shot down the plane i stand by it .

Blackwater still exists according to - that's a lie

I said it didn't, cheerful said it did apparently they changed their name several times and were bought out and runs as American training or something like that .

So finally you admit you were wrong about blackwater. That's progress i suppose. I understand you can't share your intelligence information publicly, so we will just have to accept your word that the plane was downed;)

Elmer Blooker

Us mere mortals would have no idea what's going on in the background but it wouldn't surprise me if Putin was acting as mediator.
Maybe that's why he's in Damascus now?

ArchXStanton

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Us mere mortals would have no idea what's going on in the background but it wouldn't surprise me if Putin was acting as mediator.
Maybe that's why he's in Damascus now?

He's with Erdogan discussing a gas pipeline...Erdogan better watch himself

partyguinness

Iran will box clever and play the waiting game. Iran is not going anywhere. US presidents come and go.

Like when the Taliban told the US that they can never win simply because the US will have to go home at some stage. Now look, the US negotiating with the Taliban.

partyguinness

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I might suppose that the proxy attacks might still take place.

But at least a nation to nation war is defused for now.

Good work on the leadership of both nations.

Okaaay. They created the crisis or more specifically the US did in the first place last week.

This is like congratulating an arsonist for putting out his own fire.

There was never going to a nation to nation conventional war. Nobody believed that for a second.


It is "as you were".

notobtuse

partyguinness wrote: »

Iran will box clever and play the waiting game. Iran is not going anywhere. US presidents come and go.

Like when the Taliban told the US that they can never win simply because the US will have to go home at some stage. Now look, the US negotiating with the Taliban.

That's right. The only way to win is to kill your enemies or negotiate with them. Grownups like Trump know this. But Orange Man Bad, eh?

nacho libre

So no war as expected. Donald and those in his ear are clearly hoping for regime change from within by increasing the sanctions further.

igCorcaigh

partyguinness wrote: »

Iran will box clever and play the waiting game. Iran is not going anywhere. US presidents come and go.

Like when the Taliban told the US that they can never win simply because the US will have to go home at some stage. Now look, the US negotiating with the Taliban.

Yes, but the dialogue has been pushed backed into the diplomatic space.

The underlying issues still live on.

igCorcaigh

nacho libre wrote: »

So no war as expected. Donald and those in his ear are clearly hoping for regime change from within by increasing the sanctions further.

That's a hard hill to climb.
Time will tell.

ArchXStanton

notobtuse wrote: »

That's right. The only way to win is to kill your enemies or negotiate with them. Grownups like Trump know this. But Orange Man Bad, eh?

I can't see Iran negotiating with terrorists and assasins

TheAsYLuMkeY

Trump just made speech live,

Appears to be cooling down the rhetoric and would seem no retaliation from US is the feeling.

good for everyone.

THE_SHEEP

J Mysterio wrote: »

If you're winning 1-0, away goals doesn't come in to it.[/quot

They actually do ( away goals ) , over a number of legs / matches.

But, seeing as Iran " bottled it " , it's game over . Win for Trump !!

quokula

partyguinness wrote: »

Okaaay. They created the crisis or more specifically the US did in the first place last week.

This is like congratulating an arsonist for putting out his own fire.

There was never going to a nation to nation conventional war. Nobody believed that for a second.


It is "as you were".

It's more like congratulating an arsonist when the victim put out the fire and decided not to press charges.

partyguinness

The elephant in the room here and the underlying puppet master is Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is pushing the US to remove Iran as the regional power and of course the Saudi's have plenty of clout to put the squeeze on.

igCorcaigh

The new sanctions also reinforce American pressure now.

So much kicking of balls.

This puts pressure on EU and UK.

MeMen2_MoRi_

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I might suppose that the proxy attacks might still take place.

But at least a nation to nation war is defused for now.

Good work on the leadership of both nations.

Now is the time to get sat around the tables and get talking not go down the proxy route of tit for tat.. it's pretty clear that trump was thankful for the early warning, both sides need to take the opportunity that is here for both sides..
or the Iranians wait and hope for a new potus come November to re sign the US back up to the deal.

tayto lover

All about oil and getting Trump re-elected imo.

igCorcaigh

The power struggle in the region is far from over..

Expect more ebbs and flows.

igCorcaigh

tayto lover wrote: »

All about oil and getting Trump re-elected imo.

Factors in a complex equation.

ceadaoin.

Just saw there were over 60 canadian citizens on the crashed flight. Seems like a disproportionately high number? Weird that Trudeau hasn't made a statement

partyguinness

Hell, even Fox News are scratching their little heads at this fight picking with Iran.

The problem for the US is that when you have such a big hammer you need something to hit- find the next bogey man.

Once again, the US has demonstrated that it is the greatest threat to world peace.

igCorcaigh

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Just saw there were over 60 canadian citizens on the crashed flight. Seems like a disproportionately high number?

Yes. Many Iranian people live in Canada?