Are drivers getting more aggressive last 10 years, or coked up?

Plumbthedepths

jk23 wrote: »

Tailgating is getting way worse and is one of the most dangerous things to do while driving...

Break checking is worse and idiots who think it is their job to control the speed of their fellow motorist.

Dravokivich

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

What are you talking about twitching. :rolleyes:

Anyone involved in fast anything is twitching , moving fast.

Fast reaction needs twitching. Not being brain dead.

Twitching refers to an action done without any direct thought applied to it.

What's so brain dead about not reacting as quick as you require, to have not thought about it?

punisher5112

jk23 wrote: »

Tailgating is getting way worse and is one of the most dangerous things to do while driving...

Totally the norm on motorway or dual carriageway....

Even get them hitting the right indicator and high beams.....

I'm in no way slow or one for staying out in the phast lane but when I am I'm overtaking but these numpties think that isn't enough....

I reported a guy few years ago, he was flashing, indicator and beeping all cars ahead of him including myself for 14km. He even pushed a motorcycle to the side.

Turns out he was French and his excuse was that was the normal type of driving they would be at.....

Fecking idiot.

FixdePitchmark

jk23 wrote: »

Yes I agree, if you don't plan on going at the speed limit of that road with 2 to 3 lanes the mannerly thing is to go on to the inside lane

Yes , typically a tailgate moaner will be a person doing about 115 kph in outside lane - they get all embarrassed when they are holding up the whole of the M4 / M7

Then the clown goes two ways - speeds up or goes , I'll show them , stay here and show them. Idiots.

If you don't know how to use the lane in your **** slow car , get the **** out of it.

FixdePitchmark

punisher5112 wrote: »

Totally the norm on motorway or dual carriageway....

Even get them hitting the right indicator and high beams.....

I'm in no way slow or one for staying out in the phast lane but when I am I'm overtaking but these numpties think that isn't enough....

I reported a guy few years ago, he was flashing, indicator and beeping all cars ahead of him including myself for 14km. He even pushed a motorcycle to the side.

Turns out he was French and his excuse was that was the normal type of driving they would be at.....

Fecking idiot.

To be honest - if you held someone up for 14km - you'd want to look at yourself

that was some long overtaking you were doing.

MrCostington

MrCostington wrote: »

I think this is better here than in motors as more general.

So, on my way home 30 min ago, Dublin, I was taking the right turn off a main road into my estate. The crossroad turn is controlled by lights and has a filter lane to turn right. Green for me (but not a filter light). But the lights have an island in the middle for pedestrians with high railings so it's hard to see if it's clear to turn.

As a moved into the filter lane I noticed this *** in a Corsa right up my ass. no headlights on just the side lights (a 07 so no DLR) and he did not indicate either. So I slow as I approach the junction to ensure path is clear BEEP BEEP I hear.

Into my narrow estate and he is inches from my ass,

WTF???

Another trend I noticed in the last 10 years, if you are first at the lights and don't move off within 0.5 seconds, BEEP! I'm talking a delay literally less than 2s.

Have we all become total c**nts in our cars, or all on coke etc?

/RANT

A delay of 2 seconds and they are probably looking at their phone.

Waiting for the light and two seconds of green, why didn't you move?

punisher5112

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

To be honest - if you held someone up for 14km - you'd want to look at yourself

that was some long overtaking you were doing.

It was traffic sorry I meant 4km I hit 1 by accident.


I had observed him from quite a bit back....

He was going in and out so passing vehicle on both sides

FixdePitchmark

punisher5112 wrote: »

It was traffic sorry I meant 4km I hit 1 by accident.


I had observed him from quite a bit back....

He was going in and out so passing vehicle on both sides

To be honest your story doesn't add up - why would someone flash someone in traffic.

I know moving in and out is a bit annoying - but that is a by product of lack of progression by irish drivers falling asleep or on phone again.

If your on phone or asleep and leave a gap - fair game. Not anyone fault you (not you but plural) are on phone or asleep.

anewme

anewme wrote: »

As others have said, people are getting a lot more aggressive in general. In cars, in shops, people are becoming ruder to sales staff in work. My niece (17 )has got herself a little part time job in a shoe shop and a women recently threw a box of shoes at her when she wasn't given her own way.

Its probably a lot to do with social media, Facebook, Twitter and the like, that people think they can say what they like to others without retribution. They also try to bully shops / businesses, trip advisor is a perfect example.

I'm OUTRAGED by this remark and will be calling Joe Duffy about you on Monday!

No spot on. I noticed it doing Christmas shopping. People don't give a sh1te anymore. Not just being rude but just having no manners or consideration for anyone.

punisher5112

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

To be honest your story doesn't add up - why would someone flash someone in traffic.

I know moving in and out is a bit annoying - but that is a by product of lack of progression by irish drivers falling asleep or on phone again.

If your on phone or asleep and leave a gap - fair game. Not anyone fault you (not you but plural) are on phone or asleep.

Ok jaysus, I'll dumb it down for you traffic doesn't always mean stopped....

It was on the N11 from Newtown mount Kennedy to the M50 so could actybe more then 4km now I think of it....

The man in the Octavia was 5 cars behind me and a motorbike.

He was flashing and weaving for quite some time, some moved eventually others stayed out.

There was slower moving traffic on the left so I was overtaking, he eventually got behind me and was a foot away and again, beeping, indicator, shouting as could see his face/mouth and flashing among weaving again....

He stated to the traffic corp Garda that he was French and this is how they drive in France

The main reason I reported was I honestly thought he was going to kill the man on his BMW GS bike.

Look I couldn't give a fiddle if you don't believe me, I've no reason to lie or make it up....

Potential-Monke

punisher5112 wrote: »

What car as some of you hit the brake hard but let go it will sit there...

It depends on the curve of the road, most times it'll sit there in N without the handbrake, but if the road has any decent bit of an up/down, it'll roll without the handbrake. One could say to put it in P, but you need to tap the breaks to take it out of P (2010 E220).

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

To be honest that sounds stupid or you are doing something wrong.

Please explain.

punisher5112

Potential-Monke wrote: »

It depends on the curve of the road, most times it'll sit there in N without the handbrake, but if the road has any decent bit of an up/down, it'll roll without the handbrake. One could say to put it in P, but you need to tap the breaks to take it out of P (2010 E220).



Please explain.

No I get that. Some newer ones you hit pedal hard and it auto brakes

FixdePitchmark

Potential-Monke wrote: »

It depends on the curve of the road, most times it'll sit there in N without the handbrake, but if the road has any decent bit of an up/down, it'll roll without the handbrake. One could say to put it in P, but you need to tap the breaks to take it out of P (2010 E220).



Please explain.

Just , try do it faster, practice with a stop watch.

You can't be holding up the whole of Dublin - try harder.

Strumms

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

People have just become bigger c**nts in the last couple
of decades, not just in cars.

This 1000%..

The quality of driving HAS dipped too. As I said recently in another ether on boards both the lack of adherence to the rules of the road and lack of overall courtesy is shocking... just more aggressive fûcks trying to push their way into positions they are not entitled to be in and dangerously too.. passing your test in a one off scenario and showing a competency consistently over time are two very different things...

You could put a 20 year old out for a test after 6 lessons and with the right flow of traffic, a bit of luck they pass, doesn’t mean they are a safe or good driver. Only shows that they ‘can’ and know how to adhere to the rules of the road and have successfully at that time and in that scenario managed to meet all the competencies to pass.

punisher5112

See many L or N plate vehicles drive like Sh1te, biggest problems are it may actually be a actual licence holder driving as nothing is done about some with a licence driving with these displayed.

Acosta

Most days I sit in long tail backs of 40 plus cars because one guy has decided to drive 20 or 30 km slower than the speed limit and not have the courtesy to move out of the way when possible. Barely ever do people get aggressive and nobody ever beeps.
The odd time some guy will lose the rag and start overtaking dangerously but most of the time road users just accept it. I think in general the Irish are probably too patient on the road.

sonic85

It's not all about the quality of driving it's just pricks being pricks a lot of the time. People with not a shred of patience, people just acting the bollix, rampant phone use etc. Its not all cars either. I was in town today tipping along and some prick on a bike swerved across the road in front of me to head down a side road - unbelievable maneuver I've never seen anything like it. What can you do besides look out for yourself - no one else will do it and theres too many people out there with no regard for their own safety or yours

Strumms

Acosta wrote: »

I think in general the Irish are probably too patient on the road.

For the most part I’d disagree, most of the bad driving I see is speed, people cutting up and poorly overtaking... usually driven by impatience.

However being behind a clown doing 40 in a 50 is a ball ache, does happen and is a lot of the time done by the older motorists.

Potential-Monke

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Just , try do it faster, practice with a stop watch.

You can't be holding up the whole of Dublin - try harder.

Ah, there's nothing I can do about the second delay in the auto gearbox changing from P/N to D...

Witcher

punisher5112 wrote: »

See many L or N plate vehicles drive like Sh1te, biggest problems are it may actually be a actual licence holder driving as nothing is done about some with a licence driving with these displayed.

Nothing is done because it's not an offence to drive with these displayed even if they don't apply to you.

Plumbthedepths

Ah, folks you'd want to try being in pole position at traffic lights in Rome. Being there, not fun.

no.8

FixdePitchmark wrote:

crazy **** - yes people driving slow trying to save fuel - taxi drivers the worst.

FixdePitchmark wrote:

****. Move it.

Sounds like you are part of the problem, rather than the solution

no.8

Ok i agree with you here. Nothing worse than drivers not paying attention on the road. It's 1,000,000x times worse than someone having less than lightning quick reactions at the lights.

no.8

The 120kph bracket is the maximum speed limit on Irish roads, not the target speed. While I agree that those using the overtaking lane should be able to reach and maintain near 120kph, i find the comparison of 115 vs. 120 to be silly.

Only several sections of Irish motorways are suitable for 150kph limits though imo. I think it can work though it is hardly the most efficient speed to drive at.


Again, you have some very valid points, but others i personally disagree with. Also, you often refer to Irish drivers negatively. Are you from elsewhere?

ILoveYourVibes

I am only a learner driver so i can't compare. But my dad says its simply much more cars on the roads.

tuxy

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am only a learner driver so i can't compare. But my dad says its simply much more cars on the roads.

Too much logic and not enough outrage in that post.

ILoveYourVibes

tuxy wrote: »

Too much logic and not enough outrage in that post.

Lol there is a lot of outrage when my dad is actually driving IN the car ..he has my nerves SHOT

I've learned swears i didnt know existed!

You should hear my dad on roundabouts ..i try to avoid being in a car with him as much as possible.

I went on a bus with him ONCE. He kept giving out really loudly about how people never had the exact money ready. LOUDLY so they could hear!

robinbird

When I am stopped at a red light I like to put the handbrake on and take up my phone and peruse boards.ie
Another driver will usually courteously beep to notify me that the lights have turned green at which point I will put my phone down, take off the handbrake, put car into first and move off.

ILoveYourVibes

robinbird wrote: »

When I am stopped at a red light I like to put the handbrake on and take up my phone and peruse boards.ie
Another driver will usually courteously beep to notify me that the lights have turned green at which point I will put my phone down, take off the handbrake, put car into first and move off.

Actually my mother has this new car and it turns the engine off automatically when you stop for a long time ...and sometimes it happens at traffic lights ..you can't stop it its an environmental feature to save petrol and stop fumes etc.

It drives people mad though. They must think she has done it on purpose. Its just built into the car though.

Potential-Monke

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Actually my mother has this new car and it turns the engine off automatically when you stop for a long time ...and sometimes it happens at traffic lights ..you can't stop it its an environmental feature to save petrol and stop fumes etc.

It drives people mad though. They must think she has done it on purpose. Its just built into the car though.

Pretty sure she should be able to disable it. The only car I drove that had it was a (crap) 141 Nissan Note, and there was a button to turn off/on the auto-engine off (and another for keeping the revs low... no!)

tuxy

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Pretty sure she should be able to disable it. The only car I drove that had it was a (crap) 141 Nissan Note, and there was a button to turn off/on the auto-engine off (and another for keeping the revs low... no!)

I think you have to disable it every time you use the car in some cars.
Not worth the hassle. I had a rental car, a 2016 Kia that had it and the car came to life very fast. It starts as soon as you clutch in and is running by the time you shift to 1st.

Thespoofer

I think the busier the economy is, the more aggressive people have become.

ILoveYourVibes

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Pretty sure she should be able to disable it. The only car I drove that had it was a (crap) 141 Nissan Note, and there was a button to turn off/on the auto-engine off (and another for keeping the revs low... no!)

She thinks she can't. I will tell her this and see if it's possible.

Potential-Monke

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

She thinks she can't. I will tell her this and see if it's possible.

What's the make/model? Could give it a google and see, but I'd imagine you should be able to turn it off with a button press before driving off. Like mentioned above, some cars it's automatically enabled and you have to disable it every time, but if it was anything like the Note I was driving, it's a button right beside the exterior lights switch.

dan1895

dan1895 wrote: »

Only yesterday I saw the driver of a van from one one of the big TV/BB companies overtake a car stopped at a red light and go through the junction.

I'd say a lot of that is more down to the company putting them under silly amounts of pressure to get impossible amounts of work done each day.

Shefwedfan

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Actually my mother has this new car and it turns the engine off automatically when you stop for a long time ...and sometimes it happens at traffic lights ..you can't stop it its an environmental feature to save petrol and stop fumes etc.

It drives people mad though. They must think she has done it on purpose. Its just built into the car though.

No they don’t

Ever new car in the World has this. It started to get introduced probably 10+ years ago

That’s not the reason for driving people mad, Look elsewhere for reason it’s driving people mad, start at the driver skills

mloc123

dan1895 wrote: »

I've been beeped plenty of time just putting the car in gear. It's not the start of a grand prix.

When beeped at any junction the only reasonable response is to sit with your foot on the brakes and delay the person that beeped you by at least another 30 seconds.

lawred2

MrCostington wrote: »

dilly dally as in put the car in gear and release handbrake? I don't be on my phone etc.

You're in neutral with the handbrake on?

Is that what you're supposed to do?

timetogo1

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No they don’t

Ever new car in the World has this. It started to get introduced probably 10+ years ago

That’s not the reason for driving people mad, Look elsewhere for reason it’s driving people mad, start at the driver skills

I've had this feature on my car since 2013. Ive never noticed anybody getting mad at me when it engages either.
I notice it occasionally on the odd car around me. And I've never been mad at them.

Shefwedfan

timetogo1 wrote: »

I've had this feature on my car since 2013. Ive never noticed anybody getting mad at me when it engages either.
I notice it occasionally on the odd car around me. And I've never been mad at them.

I have an electric car, people never hear an engine and I have no problem with beeping

I noticed that around Christmas drivers have been particularly aggressive, with a few of them clearly driving whilst in a serious temper. The senseless commercially driven Yuletide pressure in this country is partly behind that, but I would imagine that some negative driving behaviour is indeed *driven* by cocaine, considering its prevalence.

is_that_so

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I have an electric car, people never hear an engine and I have no problem with beeping

Don't you have a noise gadget on it?

whisky_galore

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I have an electric car, people never hear an engine and I have no problem with beeping

It runs out of electricity if you use the horn too much...

dan1895

maudgonner wrote: »

(unless you know he sequence and know it's going to be a good while before it changes)

These are the incidents I'm talking about. In an automatic these days so no issue anymore.

Wibbs

I dunno. For a while I was really driving only quite local and getting back into driving more widely in the last couple of years I haven't noticed any extra aggression TBH. I can generally and happily avoid rush hour, but even then. I have noticed people in more of a rush generally and more volumes of traffic on roads, particularly rat runs in rush hour. No extra aggression though. I honestly can't recall the last time anybody flashed their lights or beeped their horn at me.

Then again I don't sit at the lights having a brainfart finding the go pedal and I don't sit in the outside lane at 80Kph. I do tend to sit in the inside lane on motorways at 80-90(sweet spot for MPG and chilling), so it's not as if I'm one of those everybody must drive 120kph everywhere!!! people. Nor do I dawdle on secondary roads. I also indicate properly and leave plenty of room. So that could be why I don't get horns blasted at me.

If you're getting regular flashing lights and horns, it might be you. On the principle of if one person says you smell you can safely discount it, if ten do, buy soap.

whisky_galore

Millionaire only not wrote: »

BMW drivers were always aggressive!

The bmw headlights look angry, esp when they're right up your jaxie impatiently waiting to overtake.

punisher5112

whisky_galore wrote: »

The bmw headlights look angry, esp when they're right up your jaxie impatiently waiting to overtake.

Tend to have purple or pink fogs on too.

nyarlothothep

Too many cars and it seems it's the same person in each of them. There are too many pig ignorant bullies on the road who need to face punishment for their behaviour. I support that speed limit bill but don't think it goes far enough.

pgj2015

i have noticed that most people drive over the speed limit these days, if you are doing 100 kph on a good road, most people are up your ass waiting to pass you, I never pull in unless its an emergency vehicle behind me. its illegal to drive in the hard shoulder now anyway.

Plumbthedepths

pgj2015 wrote: »

i have noticed that most people drive over the speed limit these days, if you are doing 100 kph on a good road, most people are up your ass waiting to pass you, I never pull in unless its an emergency vehicle behind me. its illegal to drive in the hard shoulder now anyway.

Other than a motor way it is not illegal to briefly pull over to hard shoulder to allow others pass once the hard shoulder is clear. Unless you're a Guard it's not your job to restrict the speed of others.