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Attempted abduction in Dublin

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    #122
    [Deleted User]
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    walshb wrote: »
    Not digging any hole. It's just sage advice....logical. Sensible.

    People don't want to hear it, or disagree....fine.

    No, you don't even see how wrong you are here.....
    Advise is one thing, you are telling women to be 'responsible '
    The only person responsible for any crime, is the offender.
    Maybe it's just an issue with your English.


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    #123
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    boombang wrote: »
    Jayzus. Get off the high horse. I don't think any reasonable person would interpret the suggestion that using good sense to protect your wellbeing is tantamount to saying that women walking in anything in broad daylight are inviting an attack.

    That's exactly what he is saying. read it again.


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    #124
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,356 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    lainey_d_123 wrote: »
    This is utterly despicable.

    You are telling women in Ireland in 2020 that they should not feel safe walking to work in the morning and implying that doing so is inviting some horrific attack.

    Vile.

    It is not despicable. Life is full of chance.

    People make decisions all the time. Not all the time are those decisions the right ones...

    I am not telling women that they should not feel safe walking to work in the morning

    I am saying that making certain choices on where they are walking and at what times etc needs to be addressed, addressed because there are bad people in our society.

    Holy god....trying to help now is seen as despicable.


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    #125
    Be right back
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    walshb wrote: »
    It is not despicable. Life is full of chance.

    People make decisions all the time. Not all the time are those decisions the right ones...

    I am not telling women that they should not feel safe walking to work in the morning

    I am saying that making certain choices on where they are walking and at what times etc needs to be addressed, addressed because there are bad people in our society.

    Holy god....trying to help now is seen as despicable.

    Is just women who should take care when they are on their own?


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    #126
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,356 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Be right back wrote: »
    Is just women who should take care when they are on their own?

    No. And have said this several times now.


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    #127
    boombang
    Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭boombang


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    That's exactly what he is saying. read it again.

    My interpretation is totally different to yours.


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    #128
    Tasfasdf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Tasfasdf


    walshb wrote: »
    No. And have said this several times now.

    Unfortunately you are surrounded by stupidity that they cant comprehend what you are saying. Outrage culture is set deep on this site.


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    #129
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    Tasfasdf wrote: »
    Unfortunately you are surrounded by stupidity that they cant comprehend what you are saying. Outrage culture is set deep on this site.

    Unfortunately he can't see where he is wrong, neither can you obviously.


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    #130
    Lux23
    Registered Users Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    walshb wrote: »

    I am saying that making certain choices on where they are walking and at what times etc needs to be addressed, addressed because there are bad people in our society.

    I can't really change my route to work in the morning? It's not something I can make a choice about.


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    #131
    strandroad
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    walshb wrote: »
    No. And have said this several times now.

    Great so go preach to your brothers and sons how dangerous it is for them to go to the chipper if they don't want to be responsible for their own killing or assault. Sure they happen every day around the country.

    Honestly just stop.


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    #132
    pjohnson
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    strandroad wrote: »
    Great so go preach to your brothers and sons how dangerous it is for them to go to the chipper if they don't want to be responsible for their own killing or assault. Sure they happen every day around the country.

    Honestly just stop.

    I do wonder how the next generation will cope when they (regardless of genitals) have never been thought how to be responsible in any way. Responsibility and safety is taboo now.


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    #133
    strandroad
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    pjohnson wrote: »
    I do wonder how the next generation will cope when they (regardless of genitals) have never been thought how to be responsible in any way. Responsibility and safety is taboo now.

    Do you not go to the pub or the chipper? With the number of assaults you're putting yourself at risk. Where's your personal responsibility?


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    #134
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,356 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    strandroad wrote: »
    Great so go preach to your brothers and sons how dangerous it is for them to go to the chipper if they don't want to be responsible for their own killing or assault. Sure they happen every day around the country.

    Honestly just stop.

    Indeed. Late night chippers and taxi ranks are always dangerous places to be....more so when there are drunks in and around them.

    I would always advise my sons and daughters to steer well clear of them in those situations.


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    #135
    walshb
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    Lux23 wrote: »
    I can't really change my route to work in the morning? It's not something I can make a choice about.

    Ok, but like I said, people should always give themselves the best chance to be as safe as they can be.

    I used the walking on the road with no footpath (and at night) example. I see it all the time, and it grates me...

    The excuse "I have nowhere else I can walk" doesn't cut it....

    It means nothing if you happen to be knocked down and killed. You put yourself in that position of danger, when you did not need to.


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    #136
    pjohnson
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    strandroad wrote: »
    Do you not go to the pub or the chipper? With the number of assaults you're putting yourself at risk. Where's your personal responsibility?

    I try to go to the pub with a group of friends and if no group available I dont go alone and will watch tv/movie till next weekend.

    If I want fish and chips I try to go before dark, even if it means popping them in the microwave for 2 minutes to eat later when it is dark.

    And if its chips after pub then again theres a the goup of friends that were at the pub going chipper so not alone.


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    #137
    Day Lewin
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    The mystery is the motive.

    Well, maybe the simplest is the most likely: grab and threaten the person, take wallet or purse, and force the victim to withdraw cash from an ATM. This sort of thing does happen.

    The poor lady, she must be shaking.


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    #138
    KathleenGrant
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    We all know to be careful in certain situations and in certain places but it's frightening to think that guys would chance this at 7:30 in the morning. There surely must have been a fair stir around at that time.


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    #139
    Sardonicat
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    walshb wrote: »

    And women, as always, need to be so very careful and responsible when out and about.

    7.30 is still pitch dark out, quiet enough as well...

    No idea why I think you are implying just women


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    #140
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,388 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    walshb wrote: »
    The responsible comment I made was more in the general sense for women...

    Example: out walking alone and taking a very secluded and quiet route. That is not responsible.

    Out socialising and getting tipsy or inebriated and walking home alone, or getting a taxi home alone. Not responsible.

    Oh! Now I get it, when you said women you meant PEOPLE ! How silly of me to misunderstand when you only specifically referred to women at least twice.


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    #141
    TwoMonthsOff
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    KathleenGrant wrote: »
    We all know to be careful in certain situations and in certain places but it's frightening to think that guys would chance this at 7:30 in the morning. There surely must have been a fair stir around at that time.

    Probably some deranged sex offender, "sexual emergency" maybe. Time doesnt come into it with these animals once they get the urge.


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    #142
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,356 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Oh! Now I get it, when you said women you meant PEOPLE ! How silly of me to misunderstand when you only specifically referred to women at least twice.

    Yes, can apply to people. But men and women, being different, can experience different levels of danger etc. There is nuance.

    I specifically mentioned how women need to think more as regard sexual attacks and assaults....

    So, a man out walking a secluded route may need to think of being attacked/mugged/beaten up.

    Women need to think of this, as well as being sexually assaulted/raped...

    This is the nuance,. And, added to this, men are generally stronger and more capable of defending against attacks than women....

    Man attacks man.....

    Man attacks woman...

    Generally the man has a better chance of defending himself.

    Yes, women can attack, too....and in this case, man has a lot more chance of defending himself more capably.

    This is all just common sense, well, to me anyway.


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    #143
    X111111111111
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    KathleenGrant wrote: »
    We all know to be careful in certain situations and in certain places but it's frightening to think that guys would chance this at 7:30 in the morning. There surely must have been a fair stir around at that time.

    "Guys"? It was one man.


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    #144
    sbsquarepants
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    Demi Billions River wrote: »


    On behalf of all women, thanks for your patronising "concerned" advice. Wait... are you threatening someone??!


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    lainey_d_123 wrote: »
    Oh for ****s sake.

    Is there no single scenario in the entire world where a woman isn't blamed for not being careful when she is attacked?

    Jesus christ girls, calm down!

    Keep your wits about you, is good advice in every and all situations, it's good solid gender neutral advice and we'd all do well to heed it!

    I'm sure there was no intent to patronise anyone and i also can't for the life of me see where he is in some way blaming the woman. Maybe you are seeing what you're looking for moreso than what's actually there?

    We all know who's to blame here, we all know who's in the right and who's in the wrong. It's not one of those grey area deals, it couldn't be more black and white.

    Stop mining for insult when it's blatantly obvious that it was a well intended comment.


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    #145
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,356 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Jesus christ girls, calm down!

    Keep your wits about you, is good advice in every and all situations, it's good solid gender neutral advice and we'd all do well to heed it!

    I'm sure there was no intent to patronise anyone and i also can't for the life of me see where he is in some way blaming the woman. Maybe you are seeing what you're looking for moreso than what's actually there?

    We all know who's to blame here, we all know who's in the right and who's in the wrong. It's not one of those grey area deals, it couldn't be more black and white.

    Stop mining for insult when it's blatantly obvious that it was a well intended comment.
    Thank you

    Common sense.....

    That woman deserves nothing but sympathy, and the monster, life behind bars..

    The responsible comment I used was in the general sense for people.


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    #146
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,388 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    walshb wrote: »
    Yes, can apply to people. But men and women, being different, can experience different levels of danger etc. There is nuance.

    I specifically mentioned how women need to think more as regard sexual attacks and assaults....

    So, a man out walking a secluded route may need to think of being attacked/mugged/beaten up.

    Women need to think of this, as well as being sexually assaulted/raped...

    This is the nuance,. And, added to this, men are generally stronger and more capable of defending against attacks than women....

    Man attacks man.....

    Man attacks woman...

    Generally the man has a better chance of defending himself.

    Yes, women can attack, too....and in this case, man has a lot more chance of defending himself more capably.

    And why do you think you need to tell women this? Really? Do you think we don't know? Do you actually think your sage words of wisdom have enlightened anybody to something they don't already know? Honestly, do you?
    "I'd better tell the silly girlies on Boards there are some Very Bad Men and they must not leave there house at 7.30 in the morning or go anywhere unaccompanied." Thanks walshb, I'll be all responsible now. Thanks to you the Very Bad Man won't catch me. If only we could all follow your advice we'd all be safe. Cos it's not the responsibility of the scumbags who do this kind of thing, is it? It's entirely the fault of the women who put themselves in harms way.


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    #147
    KathleenGrant
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    X111111111111 wrote: »
    "Guys"? It was one man.

    Well a guy then.


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    #148
    Sardonicat
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    Jesus christ girls, calm down!

    Keep your wits about you, is good advice in every and all situations, it's good solid gender neutral advice and we'd all do well to heed it!

    I'm sure there was no intent to patronise anyone and i also can't for the life of me see where he is in some way blaming the woman. Maybe you are seeing what you're looking for moreso than what's actually there?

    We all know who's to blame here, we all know who's in the right and who's in the wrong. It's not one of those grey area deals, it couldn't be more black and white.

    Stop mining for insult when it's blatantly obvious that it was a well intended comment.

    We don't need the advice. We ready know it.


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    #149
    TwoMonthsOff
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    Sardonicat wrote: »
    And why do you think you need to tell women this? Really? Do you think we don't know? Do you actually think your sage words of wisdom have enlightened anybody to something they don't already know? Honestly, do you?
    "I'd better tell the silly girlies on Boards there are some Very Bad Men and they must not leave there house at 7.30 in the morning or go anywhere unaccompanied." Thanks walshb, I'll be all responsible now. Thanks to you the Very Bad Man won't catch me. If only we could all follow your advice we'd all be safe. Cos it's not the responsibility of the scumbags who do this kind of thing, is it? It's entirely the fault of the women who put themselves in harms way.

    Do yourself and the rest of us a favour and just shut up you absolute clown.


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    #150
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,356 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    And why do you think you need to tell women this? Really? Do you think we don't know? Do you actually think your sage words of wisdom have enlightened anybody to something they don't already know? Honestly, do you?
    "I'd better tell the silly girlies on Boards there are some Very Bad Men and they must not leave there house at 7.30 in the morning or go anywhere unaccompanied." Thanks walshb, I'll be all responsible now. Thanks to you the Very Bad Man won't catch me. If only we could all follow your advice we'd all be safe. Cos it's not the responsibility of the scumbags who do this kind of thing, is it? It's entirely the fault of the women who put themselves in harms way.

    Not sure why you are so bent out of shape/hostile here...


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    #151
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users Posts: 12,388 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    walshb wrote: »
    Not sure why you are so bent out of shape/hostile here...

    I'm not. I'm so, so grateful to you for sharing get your wisdom and knowledge of the dangers women face. Until you advised me to be responsible I had no idea I could come to harm. I've changed my life thanks to your generous post .Thank you, walshb. How can I ever repay you?


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