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Provincial Past

  • 06-01-2020 10:15pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭


    It is 2020 and time to start something new. Back in 2016 I started Throwback Thursday. Every week it looks back on the bus services of the past in and around Dublin. It covers the Dublin City Services of CIE, Dublin Bus and more recently Go-Ahead Ireland. Provincial Past is going to look instead at what were the Provincial Services of CIE, which later became Bus Eireann. This new feature won't be weekly like Throwback Thursday (at least initially) but I will aim for twice a month at least. It also won't contain as detailed descriptions as Throwback Thursday as my knowledge of the bus services around the country is not as good. But hopefully these old pictures from outside Dublin will be of as much interest as those from within Dublin.

    We start with D 436 parked with Parnell Place bus station in Cork. This bus was delivered new to Cork in 1972 and was withdrawn in 1984. The bus is seen in its original livery of navy blue and cream. 04/01/1983

    49341639367_e086b2e1aa_c.jpgProvincial Past (1) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    For Provincial Past (2) we are going back to M 1. This was the first of 213 Leyland Leopard's delivered to CIE between 1971 and 1973. M 1 was delivered to Broadstone Garage when new, transferred to Bus Eireann upon that company's creation in 1987 and was withdrawn in 1999, spending the last few years on school duties. It is seen parked in yard at Drogheda Station with a cross-border Enterprise train beside it in the station. 17/01/1998

    49381157512_646eae6da5_c.jpgProvincial Past (2) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    M 12 (MG 12) is seen parked in the yard in Longford in 1987. It is only a week before Bus Eireann starts operation of the provincial buses in Ireland (with Dublin Bus operating city services in the capital and Irish Rail taking over the railway services). The bus is dressed for the Expressway service between Dublin and Ballina via Mullingar and Longford. Currently in 2020 this is route 22. Expressway itself predates Bus Eireann by a number of years, started by CIE in 1975.
    M 12 was new to CIE in 1971. In 1978 it was re-engined by General Motors in 1978 (becoming an MG) and was withdrawn by Bus Eireann in 1991. 27/01/1987

    49451530112_5ae8926c1f_c.jpgProvincial Past (3) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Interesting to see the difference in the front ends. Any reason why MG12 has a grille and M1 doesn't? Was it the engine change?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    Interesting to see the difference in the front ends. Any reason why MG12 has a grille and M1 doesn't? Was it the engine change?

    I am not sure. The Ms seem to have had a variety of grills over the years regardless of engine type as evidenced in this collection of shots by Fred Dean Jr:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/be216cd1/albums/72157626406411515


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    Not the highest quality photograph in my collection, but still an interesting one from 38 years ago. PL 21 is seen in the yard at Waterford. Over the decades the provincial fleet has been home to at least three different types of coaches which have held the PL class designation. PL 21 is from the first incarnation. It was delivered new to CIE in 1969 and was withdrawn in mid-1985. The second variation was delivered new to CIE in 1984 and the third came in 1991. All were variations on the Plaxton / Leyland combination.
    This location in Waterford in unrecognisable now, with the area having been developed into a proper bus station and car park. 03/02/1982

    49484273237_62f644dcc4_c.jpgProvincial Past (4) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    For this Provincial Past we are in Limerick city in 1985. KC 180 is seen on one of the city routes, the number 8 to Limerick Regional Hospital. In 2013 this became the University Hospital Limerick and is currently served by city routes 301, 304 and 304A. The KC class did not just operate in Dublin but throughout Ireland in towns and cities. The fleet had 202 members and were delivered between 1983 to 1985, with KC 1 being one of the prototypes delivered in 1981. Limerick 08/02/1985

    49517407766_77a518e230_c.jpgProvincial Past (5) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    This week week we are going to the only location that will appear in Provincial Past and Throwback Thursday (for now...) - Balbriggan. The town is located in north County Dublin and is connected to Dublin city by both Dublin Bus (with the 33) and Bus Eireann (currently the 101). Both of these routes can trace their history back to the bus services provided by the Great Northern Railway of Ireland. The 33 runs from Balbriggan to Dublin via Skerries, Rush, Lusk and Swords. The 101 connects Drogheda to Dublin going via Balbriggan and Swords. In the past certain departures on the route included Dundalk. This was also the main road between Dublin and Belfast.
    KR 18 is seen loading up outside the cinema in Balbriggan as it operates a service to Dundalk. The KR class was one of four types of buses delivered to CIE from Bombardier. They were primarily designed for rural routes, with only one door at the front. KR 18 was delivered in 1985 and spent all of its career working out of Dundalk and Drogheda garages. The bus was in service until around 2004, working as a school bus in later years. This picture was taken just over three weeks after the formation of Bus Eireann, too soon to replace the CIE logos. 28 02 1987

    49580615122_14754e4aa9_c.jpgProvincial Past (6) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    School Bus SS 28 is seen parked at Ennis railway station in March 1989. In 1967 the Irish Government introduced free secondary education to every child in Ireland, Following on from this CIE was given responsibility of transporting school children to both primary and secondary schools. This operation was mainly a rural one and 800 buses were ordered for the system. This was probably the largest order of single-decker buses in Ireland. SS 1, a Bedford bus, was delivered in November 1967. The first bus was built by CIE in the Spa Works, but due to the construction of the Atlantean double-deckers at the same time, the remainder of the first 100 buses were built by three builders in Dundalk. The SS Class came in three lengths and remained in service until around 1998, passing to Bus Eireann ownership in 1987. For these three decades it would be difficult not to go down any road in rural Ireland and come across one.
    SS 28 was delivered new in March 1968 and was withdrawn in June 1993. Ennis 04/03/1989

    49610409511_a3344506c1_c.jpgProvincial Past (7) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickrz


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    CVH 4 was one of fifty buses delivered new to CIE from 1986. The fleet was split into two, with 35 CVH coaches and 15 EVH coaches. The CVH had Cummins engines with Van Hool Acron bodies while the EVH had Alizee bodies. Unusually, these buses were leased rather than bought outright, though by 1989 the relatively new Bus Eireann had bought them. The buses remained in service past 2000, mainly as school buses, though they could turn up on certain normal routes too from time to time. Some of the buses also went on to a second career in Donegal with the operator Lough Swilly. As Bus Eireann was created in February 1987, these were the last buses procured by CIE. CVH 4 was based in Waterford, where it is seen between duties on the Limerick to Waterford route. 09/03/1991

    49641009037_38fcb413cf_c.jpgProvincial Past (8) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭testarossa40


    Csalem wrote: »
    CVH 4 was one of fifty buses delivered new to CIE from 1986. The fleet was split into two, with 35 CVH coaches and 15 EVH coaches. The CVH had Van Hool engines with Acron bodies while the EVH had Alizee bodies. Unusually, these buses were leased rather than bought outright, though by 1989 the relatively new Bus Eireann had bought them. The buses remained in service past 2000, mainly as school buses, though they could turn up on certain normal routes too from time to time. Some of the buses also went on to a second career in Donegal with the operator Lough Swilly. As Bus Eireann was created in February 1987, these were the last buses procured by CIE. CVH 4 was based in Waterford, where it is seen between duties on the Limerick to Waterford route. 09/03/1991

    Provincial Past (8) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr
    Actually, they were all Cummins L10-engined. Acron & Alizee were 2 of the body/chassis spec families that Van Hool supplied at the time.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    Actually, they were all Cummins L10-engined. Acron & Alizee were 2 of the body/chassis spec families that Van Hool supplied at the time.

    Thanks for that! I have updated the text.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    A short trip to the past this week as we visit DWR 001 in 2008. The bus was delivered new in 2001 to Bus EIreann, and the class totalled 20 buses. They had Daf chassis with a Wrights body and were for rural services (hence the DWR class name). Members of the class operated around the country and were among some of the early examples of low-floor buses operated by Bus Eireann. The buses were withdrawn around 2009.
    DWR is seen on route 173, the Drogheda town bus service. There are actually two routes (one northside and one southside) but both are number 173. Both routes serve this stop on West Street in Drogheda. 26/03/2008

    49691433661_63e9e8655a_c.jpgProvincial Past (9) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Should the withdrawal date not be 2019?

    Otherwise, we need an Oireachtas Inquiry if it's 2009!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    Should the withdrawal date not be 2019?

    Otherwise, we need an Oireachtas Inquiry if it's 2009!

    All the DWRs were withdrawn in 2009 except for DWR 10 in Stranorlar and DWR 16 in Limerick which went in 2010. The AMs replaced the DWRs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Csalem wrote: »
    All the DWRs were withdrawn in 2009 except for DWR 10 in Stranorlar and DWR 16 in Limerick which went in 2010. The AMs replaced the DWRs.

    My bad!
    A short trip to the past this week as we visit DWR 001 in 2008. The bus was delivered new in 2001 to Bus Éireann...

    Guess who read 2001 as 2008 in the second sentence. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    This week's bus is C 66 in a 1985 Ennis (County Clare). This was one of 260 C Class buses operated throughout Ireland. 143 were delivered in 1965 and 117 in 1966. C 66 was delivered new to Broadstone in 1965 before moving to Cork (1967), Dublin (1969) and Limerick (1971). It was withdrawn in September 1985.
    The destination on the bus is for Shannon Airport, while the ad on the side is advertising duty-free shopping at Shannon Airport. The first duty-free shop in the world opened there in 1947.
    One final thing to note is the phone-box in the background, once a common site across Ireland like the C Class, but alas also no more. 02/04/1985

    49716951263_d8a9a7f88a_c.jpgProvincial Past (10) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Where were they built?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    Where were they built?

    I believe it was Spa Road Works in Inchicore.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    Bus Eireann KD 195 is seen arriving into Shannon Airport with a service from Limerick. This was one of 365 double-deckers built here for CIE, along with the KC, KE and KR single-deckers. The KDs operated around Ireland in Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway (with seasonal use in Waterford). KD 195 ended its days in Cork and by 1997 was in a scrap yard. 10/04/1990

    49743244206_91ed3038c3_c.jpgProvincial Past (11) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    E 152 is seen outside the Abbey Hotel in Donegal Town in 1984. This was one of 170 Leyland Leopards delivered to CIE between 1961 and 1964. E 152 arrived in October 1964 and remained in passenger service until October 1985. It then relocated to Galway where it joined the driver training fleet in August 1985. It passed to Bus Eireann in 1987, before finally being preserved in 2001. Although it was a training bus for Bus Eireann, it was known to appear on public services at certain times, such as the Galway races.
    Note the CIE bus stop attached to the building, above the archway. 14/04/1984

    49770182261_7cc8202d9b_c.jpgProvincial Past (12) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭salonfire


    Csalem wrote: »
    E 152 is seen outside the Abbey Hotel in Donegal Town in 1984. This was one of 170 Leyland Leopards delivered to CIE between 1961 and 1964. E 152 arrived in October 1964 and remained in passenger service until October 1985. It then relocated to Galway where it joined the driver training fleet in August 1985. It passed to Bus Eireann in 1987, before finally being preserved in 2001. Although it was a training bus for Bus Eireann, it was known to appear on public services at certain times, such as the Galway races.
    Note the CIE bus stop attached to the building, above the archway. 14/04/1984

    49770182261_7cc8202d9b_c.jpgProvincial Past (12) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr

    Would this have been on long distance routes from Galway to Donegal? Can't image it being too comfortable !


  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭westgolf


    salonfire wrote: »
    Would this have been on long distance routes from Galway to Donegal? Can't image it being too comfortable !

    From the reading of it this one was based in Donegal before being transferred to Galway ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    1984, that was probably the last time a bus has been able to park at the pavement at that stop.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    salonfire wrote: »
    Would this have been on long distance routes from Galway to Donegal? Can't image it being too comfortable !

    It may have but I cannot say for certain. Some members of the E class were altered for express services in Galway and Donegal but I don't think this was one of them. I have seen photos of other Donegal-based E class buses operating with Derry, Sligo and Galway as destinations.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    This week we are going back to 1992 to see MG 194 in Wicklow town. The bus is in Expressway livery and is dressed for a service to Dublin. This was delivered new to CIE in 1972 as M 194. It was then re-engined to General Motors spec in 1979, becoming MG 194. In 1987 it received the front-end of M 104, and in late 1992 became a school bus (MGS 194). It was finally withdrawn in 1999. 25/04/1992

    49798861222_71d4abfb69_c.jpgProvincial Past (13) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    KR 222 is seen in Dundalk bus station in 1998. This was one of 227 KR-types delivered to CIE between 1983 and 1987. 225 were ordered by CIE, while two other demonstrators built by GAC were added into the fleet later. However, while the remaining buses from KR 203 on were being built, GAC Ireland went into liquidation. This delayed the construction of these buses, with them being delivered in late-1986 and 1987. This meant some of them, like KR 222, received the new style number-plates. If all had gone to plan, KR 226 would have carried the registration "XZV 222". It also means some of these buses entered service with Bus Eireann rather than with CIE. 27/04/1998

    49826721787_1d0bfe0af4_c.jpgProvincial Past (14) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    For this Provincial Past we are heading to the west of Ireland, to Galway in 1985. KD 325 is seen loading up in Eyre Square as it operates a service on route 3 to Castle Park. KD 324 and KD 325 were delivered new to Galway in 1983. By 1988 both had transferred to Cork, and KD 325 was withdrawn by 1997. It would be thirty years after this photo was taken before Galway received new double-deckers again. 04/05/1985

    49855025893_2374aa34d7_c.jpgProvincial Past (15) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭testarossa40


    Wasn't KD324 transferred to Conyngham Rd at some stage in the 90's? Memory's fuzzy but I seem to recall they were initially allocated KD318-23 from new then transferred the next in sequence from BE a few yrs later... I think it even sustained front upper deck damage needing repair from being driven into a bridge or tree...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,886 ✭✭✭Csalem


    Wasn't KD324 transferred to Conyngham Rd at some stage in the 90's? Memory's fuzzy but I seem to recall they were initially allocated KD318-23 from new then transferred the next in sequence from BE a few yrs later... I think it even sustained front upper deck damage needing repair from being driven into a bridge or tree...

    I did read somewhere it ended up with Dublin Bus.
    I have also read that both buses may have spent a month in Dublin when new before going to Limerick and then Galway. Others have said they went to Cork from Galway via a short spell in Limerick.

    Either way they had a busy life, and KD324 got to work in Connacht, Munster and Leinster.


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