Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Christy42

Billy Mays wrote: »

He's banging on at GM to open an abandoned plant and start making ventilators. They sold the plant last year. He tweeted at the time it was great news for Ohio.

Like most things he tweets it looks like he is doing things if you don't look into it. That is the point of it

FrostyJack

Christy42 wrote: »

Like most things he tweets it looks like he is doing things if you don't look into it. That is the point of it

Imagine you had his super power where you walk around and millions of people will believe you no mater what you say or do. When you say something ridiculous they we get up after you and say that isn't what you said or you meant something totally different. You could say yellow snow is great to eat then the next day say you always said it was terrible and they will all jump to defend the latter was always your stance. Absolute madness. Imagine thinking you were a patriot or a good christian and doing that every week for over 3 years. Surely one day you would have to wake up and realise what you have done.

PropJoe10

Penn wrote: »

134 deaths in the last 24 hours in New York alone. Meanwhile, Trump last night on Hannity was saying governors don't really need as many ventilators as they've been asking for, and is now tweeting at GM and Ford to hurry up and build more ventilators or he'll buy them from elsewhere (even though he has the power to compel them to make the ventilators but won't).

The Democrats weren't politicising this thing from the start. They knew what was coming, they knew how Trump would likely handle it, and Trump is doing even worse than they thought he would.

While Trump was calling the Democrats' attitude towards Trump a hoax because there were only 15 cases of it in America and that number would go down, 9 times as many people died yesterday in one State alone.

Quite. And he's doing better in the approval ratings than ever before. Quite hard to understand it, but that's where we appear to be.

Foxtrol

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Quite. And he's doing better in the approval ratings than ever before. Quite hard to understand it, but that's where we appear to be.

Two main drivers of this - 1) Americans rally around their president in time of crisis, it has been the same for nearly every one but doesn't last. 2) This hasn't impacted most states yet so many believe his lies that they are doing a great job, it is like Irish folk hearing news from Italy and were still going to bars etc.

Professor Moriarty

FrostyJack wrote: »

Imagine you had his super power where you walk around and millions of people will believe you no mater what you say or do. When you say something ridiculous they we get up after you and say that isn't what you said or you meant something totally different. You could say yellow snow is great to eat then the next day say you always said it was terrible and they will all jump to defend the latter was always your stance. Absolute madness. Imagine thinking you were a patriot or a good christian and doing that every week for over 3 years. Surely one day you would have to wake up and realise what you have done.

That assumes inherent empathy. Without empathy, you will never realise what you have done. If it were pointed out to you, you wouldn't give a damn.

looksee

serfboard wrote: »

Nothing incoherent about this:

No need for interpretation on that one.

Seriously? This is a president we are talking about.

gizmo

For what it's worth, I thought it was fairly clear Trump was referring to the claim that his administration had failed to respond adequately to the outbreak of the virus as the hoax, rather than the existence of the virus itself. Granted "clear" is a fairly relative term when attempting to parse either his speech or transcriptions of it, but still.

The Washington Post Fact Checkers did indeed agree in their piece on the Biden video, as well as providing the further context from his comments at the press conference the day after. On top of that you have PolitiFact, FactCheck and good 'ol Snopes also coming down on the same side.

Herein lies the problem of course, he's still lying about his administration's response, the only difference now is that his supporters have something to deflect with.

Foxtrol

Interesting (and frightening) site that shows the different surge expectations for different states within the US.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

Shows that a certain level of cycling of ventilators between states should be possible.

Itssoeasy

Trump who has just signed the stimulus package is quoted as saying he’d never signed anything with a T on it.

I’ll just leave that for people to realise why that is rubbish.

spacecoyote

They've cleared through 100k cases today on the US & Trump has just invoked the federal law to force GM to start producing ventilators

aloyisious

If the US gets hit by a pro-rata death rate comparable to Italy or Spain, allied to the lack of preparation Don thought fit for his country, he may go down as the 2nd sitting President in US history who lost half a million US citizens in a war in the US. Don has used the word WAR to describe the fight against the Coronavirus. The other Republican president was at war on a matter of principle, not as a result of sloppy management. There's another liner on way to the US with sick & dead people on it, turned away by Panama. Its from Seattle.

Christy42

The EPA has indefinitely suspended all it's enforcemwnt indefinitely and it's ability to step in in the case of imminent threat to the public.

For reasons. I have no idea how this is meant to do anything against a virus. Will pumping enough pollution kill a virus? Where they so sad for the multibillionaire companies that had to give up too much to poor people in the stimulus package?

The US response has been farcical.

aloyisious

AP has reported on the virus outbreak on the USS Theodore Roosevelt in the Pacific, saying 2 dozen infected. Its tied up at Guam. 3 crew flown off it two days ago to Guam. This link is one of several covering the outbreak and its not one of the usual "fake news" sites Don dislikes. https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03/25/three-u-s-sailors-test-positive-for-coronavirus-aboard-deployed-aircraft-carrier/

Ronaldinho

aloyisious wrote: »

AP has reported on the virus outbreak on the USS Theodore Roosevelt in the Pacific, saying 2 dozen infected. Its tied up at Guam. 3 crew flown off it two days ago to Guam. This link is one of several covering the outbreak and its not one of the usual "fake news" sites Don dislikes. https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03/25/three-u-s-sailors-test-positive-for-coronavirus-aboard-deployed-aircraft-carrier/

How the f^&% did they let that news get out at all?
Nowhere should be allowed to publish it.
Irresponsible from a national security point of view.

TomOnBoard

The daily Trump rallies from the White House need to be dropped by the media, as they are now simply propaganda-fests.

Sadly, Deborah Birx has now joined the Dear Leader cult and is no longer credible as a purveyor of honest facts and real truth.

Fauci is now totally outnumbered and is being used as a pawn to shield Trump as he is the only one who can be trusted. I don't see him lasting much longer, and see Birx becoming the new face of professional medical expert to join the Surgeon General in the gaslight brigade.

Here's what she said to the Christian Broadcasting Network:

“He’s been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data,” Birx said. “I think his ability to analyze and integrate data that comes out of his long history in business has really been a real benefit during these discussions about medical issues.”

Jesus Wept!

And not for the 1st time this week!

hetuzozaho

The questions are so tame and allow him to ramble. Why are the journalists so poor at questioning him and presenting facts and figures to him?

Cody montana

TomOnBoard wrote: »

The daily Trump rallies from the White House need to be dropped by the media, as they are now simply propaganda-fests.

Sadly, Deborah Birx has now joined the Dear Leader cult and is no longer credible as a purveyor of honest facts and real truth.

Fauci is now totally outnumbered and is being used as a pawn to shield Trump as he is the only one who can be trusted. I don't see him lasting much longer, and see Birx becoming the new face of professional medical expert to join the Surgeon General in the gaslight brigade.

Here's what she said to the Christian Broadcasting Network:

“He’s been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data,” Birx said. “I think his ability to analyze and integrate data that comes out of his long history in business has really been a real benefit during these discussions about medical issues.”

Jesus Wept!

And not for the 1st time this week!

Was it bad?
Not going to watch anymore.

hetuzozaho

Oh he's talking medicine now... It sounds so bad. He needs to stop.

Is there anyway that America can just stop him being president? Surely its clear to everyone now that he should not be talking like this every night to the American public.

Embarrassing.

Harry Palmr

What are the chances of a coup in the next four to six weeks?

TomOnBoard

hetuzozaho wrote: »

The questions are so tame and allow him to ramble. Why are the journalists so poor at questioning him and presenting facts and figures to him?

These are so few of them allowed in because of 'social distancing' that only softball questioners get the Mike. The whole thing is a pure propaganda exercise and ought not be dignified and /or provided with a veneer of honesty or credibility by broadcasting it.

hetuzozaho

It's incredibly sad in the current times to see him be so self-centered. Congratulating himself and blaming everyone else in order to benefit his political career.

It's truly shocking to watch and the people around him allowing it to happen and standing with him should be ashamed of themselves.

farmerval

Foxtrol wrote: »

Two main drivers of this - 1) Americans rally around their president in time of crisis, it has been the same for nearly every one but doesn't last. 2) This hasn't impacted most states yet so many believe his lies that they are doing a great job, it is like Irish folk hearing news from Italy and were still going to bars etc.

Is the high approval figures because he is forever front and centre with the media, forever on TV???
You know the old one about the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
Definitely think it was a big part of him winning the last election, he just sucked all the oxygen for everyone else. Even all the outlandish name calling and insults, the lock her up chants, totally dominated coverage left no room for anyone else.

sid waddell

hetuzozaho wrote: »

The questions are so tame and allow him to ramble. Why are the journalists so poor at questioning him and presenting facts and figures to him?

Because of the background of the sort of people who go into political access journalism. They're all comfy middle class and have zero understanding of the real world and the damage that Trump does. They come from a culture that breeds deference and sycophancy towards white supremacist power.

Real journalists would go in there and read the ****ing riot act on Trump. Real journalism would see the TV networks grouping together to boycott these far right political rally ****shows until real, hostile questions can be asked. Real journalism would see the networks boycotting anything to do with Trump as long as he's spreading information that is highly dangerous to public health.

This is 1930s Germany stuff and that's no exaggeration whatsoever.

Joe_ Public

farmerval wrote: »

Is the high approval figures because he is forever front and centre with the media, forever on TV???
You know the old one about the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
Definitely think it was a big part of him winning the last election, he just sucked all the oxygen for everyone else. Even all the outlandish name calling and insults, the lock her up chants, totally dominated coverage left no room for anyone else.

To an extent there could be some truth in that. I remember thinking pre election that although they knew he was an idiot, a lot of media dug the fact he had them on speed dial and could get an audience with him in trump tower pretty much at their leisure. The whole novelty of it was energising. I think there was a period even before he got rep nomination that Maureen Dowd was nearly writing about him every week.

Mind you, i wonder how much of his base even read newspapers or watch the networks so these things are hard enough to measure accurately.

sid waddell

Joe_ Public wrote: »

To an extent there could be some truth in that. I remember thinking pre election that although they knew he was an idiot, a lot of media dug the fact he had them on speed dial and could get an audience with him in trump tower pretty much at their leisure. The whole novelty of it was energising. I think there was a period even before he got rep nomination that Maureen Dowd was nearly writing about him every week.

Mind you, i wonder how much of his base even read newspapers or watch the networks so these things are hard enough to measure accurately.

There's more than some truth in it. There's a reason why all these far right demagogues have these sort of over the top "personalities". It's advertising, the media thrives on clicks and ratings and can't help slabbering all over them like Trump himself can't help sexually assaulting women.

In the current media environment, you just have to be a gigantic arsehole and they'll be all over you. Sure look what Peter Casey did. He was at 1%, then suddenly jumped to over 20% just by becoming a celebrity racist.

TomOnBoard

When this is over, and it will be some day, every action and decision will be analysed and the underlying motivations will be judged.

How will the deaths in so-called blue states be compared to deaths in red states in the light of Trump's admission that he will only call Governors of those States who appreciate him?

sid waddell

TomOnBoard wrote: »

When this is over, and it will be some day, every action and decision will be analysed and the underlying motivations will be judged.

How will the deaths in so-called blue states be compared to deaths in red states in the light of Trump's admission that he will only call Governors of those States who appreciate him?

They can be judged right now. Trump is deliberately killing people. He does not see this as a crisis, he sees this as an opportunity. An opportunity to cement dictatorial rule, to utterly break people and communities, minority communities, women, ordinary working people, and to lavish vast wealth on himself.

As long as people view Trump through any frame of even vague normality, they don't get what's really going on. Trump is the head of an apocalyptic death cult. Evil is the only appropriate framing to view him and his regime through.

Joe_ Public

sid waddell wrote: »

There's more than some truth in it. There's a reason why all these far right demagogues have these sort of over the top "personalities". It's advertising, the media thrives on clicks and ratings and can't help slabbering all over them like Trump himself can't help sexually assaulting women.

In the current media environment, you just have to be a gigantic arsehole and they'll be all over you. Sure look what Peter Casey did. He was at 1%, then suddenly jumped to over 20% just by becoming a celebrity racist.

Doesnt seem that simple to me. I dont think you can describe the nyt, wp et al treatment of trump as "slabbering" all over him, but whether negative coverage has much effect on his ratings, hard to say, doesnt much feel like it anyway.

Media is very different between US and UK, and here too. Thats the same casey that got less than 2% in recent election, so whatever lift he was getting proved short lived. I think people here sussed him quickly out as a chancer and to our credit we are fairly discerning as an electorate i think, relatively anyway. The uk is plagued by the red tops, the US is too vast and diverse for ms media to exert undue influence i think.

Guy:Incognito

Doctor Trump in full swing


https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1243670348211654664





How can anyone, regardless of which side of Americas ridicuolous red/blue partisan divide support this idiot? Even purely based off his tweets. The language he uses and the way he tweets should have even his biggest supporter questioning his fitness as a leader.

Theres a simple formula they should all be following - if he was a democrat, what would you be thinking and saying about him? Then just apply that to him.

sid waddell

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Doesnt seem that simple to me. I dont think you can describe the nyt, wp et al treatment of trump as "slabbering" all over him, but whether negative coverage has much effect on his ratings, hard to say, doesnt much feel like it anyway.

Media is very different between US and UK, and here too. Thats the same casey that got less than 2% in recent election, so whatever lift he was getting proved short lived. I think people here sussed him quickly out as a chancer and to our credit we are fairly discerning as an electorate i think, relatively anyway. The uk is plagued by the red tops, the US is too vast and diverse for ms media to exert undue influence i think.

Different type of election, people had indeed seen through Casey as a chancer by then. The same type of tactics worked for plenty others though who had more of a handle on how to turn attention into votes at local level - Verona Murphy, Noel Grealish, Michael Collins, the Healy Raes, Mattie McGrath.

A presidential election is the worst type of election for throwing up demagogues because campaigns require money and they generally have a lot of that. Complete chancers like Casey aren't so good at actual issues that people care about.

All media of all types couldn't help themselves slabbering all over Trump. A massive excess coverage was devoted to him. It doesn't matter the type of coverage. Attention of any sort is his oxygen, eternal victimhood is his stock in trade.

There has never been a demagogue in history who didn't trade on eternal victimhood.