Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

BonnieSituation

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

lol @ the reporter as Trump was leaving.

"Do you have any investments in companies associated with Hydroxychloroquine ?"

What was his response. He mumbled something?

EDIT: "No, I don't. Good question..."

Cody montana

BonnieSituation wrote: »

He can't endorse him til he's almost certainly the nominee. Imagine he endorses him back in Feb and say Warren got the nod during the primary season?
That would have looked stupid eh?
There was no advantage to endorsing him this far out from the election in any case.

This is Politics 101.

I wonder could Michelle Obama be running as VP?

BonnieSituation

Cody montana wrote: »

I wonder could Michelle Obama be running as VP?

It'll be Harris I would say. But Michelle Obama would be beyond box office.

It will be a woman anyway and most certainly a minority woman.

Cody montana

BonnieSituation wrote: »

It'll be Harris I would say. But Michelle Obama would be beyond box office.

It will be a woman anyway and most certainly a minority woman.

Or Stacey Abrams.
Probably Harris though.

kowloon

everlast75 wrote: »

Before you dump on Biden, observe what's currently in the office.

This is lazy.

Trump has pending cases against him. Multiple cases.

He cheated on all 3 of his wives.

He cheated on his latest wife with a porn star.

Maybe you should shelve that as a talking point.

You forgot the bit where he mentioned he could walk into the dressing rooms at the beauty pageant he owns and perv. But to be honest, his supporters know he does **** like that, they don't care. God's imperfect vessel.

Kermit.de.frog

BonnieSituation wrote: »

It'll be Harris I would say. But Michelle Obama would be beyond box office.

It will be a woman anyway and most certainly a minority woman.

Yes but Michelle Obama is the arch Democrat. (like Clinton was)

No Republicans, no matter how middle ground they are, will ever vote for her.

He needs someone "a bit less dem" to bring as many as possible over the line.

Kermit.de.frog

It's amazing isn't it

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1248022438568476672

aloyisious

I had a look back at my last post & see I made a mistake in writing Don was told about the medical intelligence report in Jan, which he denied. It was the Peter Navarro item he denied knowing about back then. Given the working relationship between the pair, I conclude that Peter Navarro would not deny his boss the threat knowledge he was aware of. I reckon Peter Navarro has brain enough to put forward a memo containing actual facts leading to an estimate that there were likely to be a large number of Covid-19 deaths in the US, without doing it for a scare motive, given his job in the administration. He must have based the figures etc in his memo on something he had been informed of. I reckon that it was probably the MI report on the Wuhan area outbreak and its danger to U.S Military units in Asia circulating in the senior admin ranks from late Nov '19 to mid Jan '20, given the units and personnel would be rotated to and from the U.S. I believe it is extremely likely that Don was informed of the virus outbreak in Wuhan, and of the danger it posed to both the U.S forces personnel in Asia and to the continental U.S population.

aloyisious

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Link to that?

Sorry for the delay in replying. I shut down last after watching the start of Don's TV show, too annoying to try watching him try his spiel to us. CNN news ran the items about Don and Mark Esper knowing about the Medical Int report on its ticker-tape display at the base of TV screen.

Re your query, I got it wrong about what Don knew about, it was the Peter Navarro memo he denied knowledge of, not the M.I report. I cant see Peter denying his boss the knowledge contained in his memo.

everlast75

Lwaker. wrote: »

Obama and sleepy Joe and bernie

He got them all in one go

If nicknames are your thing, you should go visit a primary school playground when things are back to normal. It will blow your mind!!!

everlast75

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's amazing isn't it

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1248022438568476672

"journalist" is from the NY Post apparently

Danzy

Cody montana wrote: »

Or Stacey Abrams.
Probably Harris though.

Harris isn't that widely liked, she is from a State that will vote Democratic anyway.

Though she is highly experienced which will come in to play due to Biden being so high risk to not see out a term.

Others have that in their favour as well.

Christy42

Has he told people to stay home from mass this weekend? That would be a nice easy positive step. You see the woman in Ohio talking about being covered Jesus' blood. Kansas has overturned the governess ban on mass gatherings specifically for mass. These could turn into bad situations, especially with Easter.

Certainly he can't fix every crazy person or change the interpretation of the constitution in Kansas. It would be a real positive step to limit the damage of it. A lot of republicans look up to him and many are religious. I don't get how they don't see the contradiction but if he asked them to worship from home then many would listen even if many of the pastors are more interested in their collection basket.

MadYaker

Danzy wrote: »

Anyone could struggle in that situation, no one without a serious cognitive problem would do in the way he did.

He may well not know why he is on stage with Trump in a debate, it's that serious.

Trump supporters are blue in the face telling us Biden is senile but what they don’t realise is that other people aren’t prepared to ignore reality in favour of dreams and fantasies.

You spoke earlier about an incident where his teleprompter died. Could you link it to me please?

Thepoet85

Mental Mickey wrote:

The Q & A is based on what he was talking about ffs

Funny, I don't remember him talking about Tiger King before he was asked about it.

Penn

Almost every criticism Trump supporters can throw at Biden, can be thrown back at Trump probably in far greater multitudes.

But they won't care. Trump's campaign will run ads of Biden stumbling with his words even though Trump does the exact same thing (there are many compilations of same, going all the way back to the oranges of his Presidency). They'll run ads of 'Creepy Joe' even though Trump has many, many rape accusations against him over the years including girls in Miss Teen USA pageant saying he'd walk backstage while they were changing. They'll throw out the Hunter Biden accusations even though Trump and his family have made a f*cking mint during his presidency using his hotels (though they've taken a Coronavirus hit but no doubt will be bailed out by the relief packages under Trump's control).

It won't stop them though and Biden's campaign need to be prepared for it. As bad as Trump/Hilary was, this will be a dirty, dirty fight.

everlast75

Penn wrote: »

Almost every criticism Trump supporters can throw at Biden, can be thrown back at Trump probably in far greater multitudes.

But they won't care. Trump's campaign will run ads of Biden stumbling with his words even though Trump does the exact same thing (there are many compilations of same, going all the way back to the oranges of his Presidency). They'll run ads of 'Creepy Joe' even though Trump has many, many rape accusations against him over the years including girls in Miss Teen USA pageant saying he'd walk backstage while they were changing. They'll throw out the Hunter Biden accusations even though Trump and his family have made a f*cking mint during his presidency using his hotels (though they've taken a Coronavirus hit but no doubt will be bailed out by the relief packages under Trump's control).

It won't stop them though and Biden's campaign need to be prepared for it. As bad as Trump/Hilary was, this will be a dirty, dirty fight.

The best argument they can come up with is that this is all "baked in" with Trump, that people don't give two ***** that Trump is like this, but they do have an issue with other people being like this.

They even know that however bad Biden is on one point, as you've said, Trump is worse. Yet they continue to attack Biden on points on which Trump has demonstrated worse behaviour.

If you are prepared to accept worse flaws in your own candidate quicker than you are to accept in the other candidate, then it is quite simple - you are not for turning.

Those people, in terms of campaigning, should be ignored and people who are open to honest comparisons should be targeted. You can only rationalise with people who apply logic.

listermint

tbh i see a Dem Pile on for Biden coming including former Bernie and Warren supporters. And he has enough background for middle ground Reps too.

I dont see Trump winning this one.

Quin_Dub

listermint wrote: »

tbh i see a Dem Pile on for Biden coming including former Bernie and Warren supporters. And he has enough background for middle ground Reps too.

I dont see Trump winning this one.

I'd agree - Obama will also come off the sidelines now that there is a confirmed Nominee and I expect him to campaign heavily for Biden and throughout the Dem ticket for Senate seats that are in play etc.

However , Trump and the GOP will gerrymander and play silly buggers with the Electoral process (See Wisconsin)at unprecedented levels which will make this a whole lot closer than it really should be.

everlast75

Quin_Dub wrote: »

However , Trump and the GOP will gerrymander and play silly buggers with the Electoral process (See Wisconsin)at unprecedented levels which will make this a whole lot closer than it really should be.

Basically, the Rep playbook is try make things harder for people to vote rather than come up with better policies.

StringerBell

BonnieSituation wrote: »

It'll be Harris I would say. But Michelle Obama would be beyond box office.

It will be a woman anyway and most certainly a minority woman.

I think Amy Klobuchar could have an outside chance at it, Harris is risky for them. I also think if at all possible they will actually pull someone who isn't currently a popular sitting Senator because the Senate is a priority too.

Could even be someone like Stacey Abrahams or with that kind of profile.

I expect Obama to be out in force as soon as the presumptive nominee become the nominee. Pointless talking point that he hasn't endorsed anybody yet as has already been pointed out. You do really wonder about some peoples ability to critically think about anything at all.

Gbear

everlast75 wrote: »

Basically, the Rep playbook is try make things harder for people to vote rather than come up with better policies.

One of the things David Frum has been saying while doing the rounds on the podcast circuit, is that if the Republicans have to choose between conservatism and democracy, they'll choose conservatism.

You'd think that'd make Frum have an "Are we the baddies?" moment, but I don't think I've heard him apologise for being one of the people working behind the scenes in Bush's White House.

Conservatism is fundamentally anti-democratic, so it's a bt depressing that it's taken Trump pretty much coming out and saying that democracy is for pussies for these people to come around, but nevertheless, it's somewhat striking that even some conservatives are recognising this as a problem.

Him a few other never Trumpers have endorsed Joe Biden.

MadYaker

Obama needs to take the gloves off and start playing hard ball with Trump imo. He could definitely a huge amount of damage.

EltonJohn69

MadYaker wrote: »

Obama needs to take the gloves off and start playing hard ball with Trump imo. He could definitely a huge amount of damage.

“If you wrastle a pig in the mud, you are going to end up covered in mud”

everlast75

https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1248026465976885252?s=20

Hopefully Trump will be next....

Leroy42

I do wonder if the Dems have learnt their lesson from 2016. HC followed this high-minded position of "They go low, we go high" which sounds great I'm sure in a room full of political majors, but they simply allowed Trump the freedom to say and do anything we wanted knowing he would get nothing back.

Is Biden prepared to get in the muck, is he prepared to change his style to suit whatever Trump is talking about and to move the agenda to take he opportunity presented? I always got the feeling that HC was very smug (completely understandable since she knew he Trump was and knew he was no suited to the office) but it comes across very badly.

But to do that you have to be prepared to roll with the punches thrown back at you. A classic example was the position taken on HC as an enabler of Bill. HC tried everything to avoid dealing with it instead of punching back with the rape claims, the girls at the pagents and now of course Stormy Daniels is open to Biden.

"Creepy Joe", says Trump, "well at least I didn't have to pay off a porn star to hide my affairs from my wife."

The race for POTUS has become less about policies, less about what you have done, and more about the entertainment, the spectacle.

amdublin

Facts and debunkments:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/americans-are-paying-the-price-for-trumps-failures/609532/

If you're a Trump fan you need to read this.
If you're not a Trump fan you need to read this.

StringerBell

I think Biden will be fine with mud slinging, his campaign will likely try to keep him from directly throwing the mud himself but will surely see that there is nothing to be gained by letting Trump have all the headlines with his inane ramblings and stupid nicknames come campaign time.

There is a wealth of material to use against him, he gives you new stuff every day and they have already made one or two pretty good attack ads haven't they?

Gloves won't be off firmly but for sure will be better prepared to deal with him than in 2016. The problem will be voter suppression of course. I don't think Biden has to do much to get the few thousand votes that went to Trump last time back that won him.ghe election but the shameless way the GOP go about business is going to make sure this is tight.

EltonJohn69

Will there even be an election ?
Will Biden be the candidate ?
There is going to be a gigantic fight over postal voting and closed polling stations.... the whole thing is going to be a massive $hit show.. and everyone knows deep down that Trump isn't going anywhere... he is going to be president for the next 4 years +

Quin_Dub

MadYaker wrote: »

Obama needs to take the gloves off and start playing hard ball with Trump imo. He could definitely a huge amount of damage.

Absolutely - I think he's a far more potent weapon for the Democrats now than he was as outgoing POTUS for Clinton.

4 Years of Trump have added quite a bit of gloss to Obama in the eyes of quite a few voters that would not have been there when he was still in Office in my view.