Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

pixelburp

Wonder if the option was possible, what odds would you get for a third, non-consecutive term for Obama? Methinks Democrats would chomp ones hand off, while independents & some GOP'ers might be tempted. Wonder if privately the thought ever crossed Obama's mind, though can't imagine Michelle or the kids would be eager...

valoren

Isn't there a bipartisan etiquette suggesting that ex-Presidents not interfere or comment on policy with subsequent/ future administrations? I think Obama is happy to abide with that etiquette and if the Democrats can't formulate a coherent election strategy without him then they are in trouble. He wouldn't want to break precedent no matter how ugly the campaign can get. Even if Obama spoke out, expressly to taunt Trump in order to really send him apoplectic, then the GOP will hark back to that etiquette and play if off as evidence that the Democrats are so rattled by Trump that established historical etiquette has been impinged upon. There will always be a dodge and a flip for everything.

marno21

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It's amazing isn't it

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1248022438568476672

A question from a Murdoch/News Corp newspaper reporter creating a distraction from the usual Trump ****show?

Jesus you couldn't write this stuff.

The Phantom Jipper

valoren wrote: »

Isn't there a bipartisan etiquette suggesting that ex-Presidents not interfere or comment on policy with subsequent/ future administrations? I think Obama is happy to abide with that etiquette and if the Democrats can't formulate a coherent election strategy without him then they are in trouble. He wouldn't want to break precedent no matter how ugly the campaign can get. Even if Obama spoke out, expressly to taunt Trump in order to really send him apoplectic, then the GOP will hark back to that etiquette and play if off as evidence that the Democrats are so rattled by Trump that established historical etiquette has been impinged upon. There will always be a dodge and a flip for everything.

After everything Trump has done, voters will find it distasteful if Obama breaches etiquette on criticising the sitting president? I find that a little hard to believe. Obama should be giving it to Trump with both barrels, and take advantage of the fact that he can enrage Trump like nobody else.

everlast75

Leroy42 wrote: »

I do wonder if the Dems have learnt their lesson from 2016. HC followed this high-minded position of "They go low, we go high" which sounds great I'm sure in a room full of political majors, but they simply allowed Trump the freedom to say and do anything we wanted knowing he would get nothing back.

Is Biden prepared to get in the muck, is he prepared to change his style to suit whatever Trump is talking about and to move the agenda to take he opportunity presented? I always got the feeling that HC was very smug (completely understandable since she knew he Trump was and knew he was no suited to the office) but it comes across very badly.

But to do that you have to be prepared to roll with the punches thrown back at you. A classic example was the position taken on HC as an enabler of Bill. HC tried everything to avoid dealing with it instead of punching back with the rape claims, the girls at the pagents and now of course Stormy Daniels is open to Biden.

"Creepy Joe", says Trump, "well at least I didn't have to pay off a porn star to hide my affairs from my wife."

The race for POTUS has become less about policies, less about what you have done, and more about the entertainment, the spectacle.

I think Project Lincoln are covering swinging below the belt for Biden....

Hoop66

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Will there even be an election ?
Will Biden be the candidate ?
There is going to be a gigantic fight over postal voting and closed polling stations.... the whole thing is going to be a massive $hit show.. and everyone knows deep down that Trump isn't going anywhere... he is going to be president for the next 4 years +

If there isn't an election then Trump ceases to be president on Jan 20th 2021. Also Pence will be gone. Nancy Pelosi, as Speaker of the House, would take over as President.

What I wouldn't give to see Trump's face if that happens.

Christy42

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

After everything Trump has done, voters will find it distasteful if Obama breaches etiquette on criticising the sitting president? I find that a little hard to believe. Obama should be giving it to Trump with both barrels, and take advantage of the fact that he can enrage Trump like nobody else.

Obama has been creating a nice contrast to Trump online. Check his twitter on the Corona issue. Statements designed to unite instead of divide. He is definitely a helpful force for ensuring the Democrats take this thing seriously. It is of no surprise that it was a Republican official who only last weekend found out asymptomatic infection can happen. People listen to those above them.

banie01

Christy42 wrote: »

Obama has been creating a nice contrast to Trump online. Check his twitter on the Corona issue. Statements designed to unite instead of divide. He is definitely a helpful force for ensuring the Democrats take this thing seriously. It is of no surprise that it was a Republican official who only last weekend found out asymptomatic infection can happen. People listen to those above them.

I think Obama will endorse.

That said, of the most recent crop of American politician's, him as POTUS is a fine example of actual an actual competent politician.

Obama certainly has far more charisma than any of the current crop.
He has a definite talent for consensus building, and lets be honest with this.
He has a gravitas, an experience and an oratory ability far beyond any of the current slew.

When the Biden nomination is confirmed, Obama will weigh in his endorsement.
That will enrage Trump, and snarky nicknames are easily combatted with pointing at Trump's continuing failures.

Let the Lincoln Project fight dirty while everyone else points at his actual record.

Penn

Obama for sure will endorse and campaign for Biden, and he'll throw a few digs at Trump while doing it. Obama held off so far, but they know they need to get as many behind the Dem nominee as possible, because they know how important it is. Obama may not have thought Biden should run, but he did run and he's pretty much the definite nominee now, so Obama will get behind him, no doubt.

Foxtrol

everlast75 wrote: »

I think Project Lincoln are covering swinging below the belt for Biden....

Bloomberg will also pump money into ads like that. I know he scuttled his campaign media team since but they released a statement that if Trump tries to go after Biden's kids during the campaign they had a load of material ready on all of Trump's and won't hesitate to use it.

aloyisious

I wonder if George W Bush will come out swinging for Don, or take a different tack in his home state? A timely reminder of one of his quotes on possible things the Govt should plan to face down... https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-bush-2005-wait-pandemic-late-prepare/story?id=69979013

Bill Bloomberg promised to fund Joe Bidens's campaign.

Timberrrrrrrr

Penn wrote: »

Obama for sure will endorse and campaign for Biden, and he'll throw a few digs at Trump while doing it. Obama held off so far, but they know they need to get as many behind the Dem nominee as possible, because they know how important it is. Obama may not have thought Biden should run, but he did run and he's pretty much the definite nominee now, so Obama will get behind him, no doubt.

I would love to see Biden announce Obama as his V.P.

Leroy42

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I would love to see Biden announce Obama as his V.P.

Already stated it would be a female

BonnieSituation

aloyisious wrote: »

Sorry for the delay in replying. I shut down last after watching the start of Don's TV show, too annoying to try watching him try his spiel to us. CNN news ran the items about Don and Mark Esper knowing about the Medical Int report on its ticker-tape display at the base of TV screen.

Re your query, I got it wrong about what Don knew about, it was the Peter Navarro memo he denied knowledge of, not the M.I report. I cant see Peter denying his boss the knowledge contained in his memo.

Damn.

I was thinking I would have heard that and I was excited to see it!

Ah well!

Timberrrrrrrr

Leroy42 wrote: »

Already stated it would be a female

I know, but one can wish

Hopefully Michelle? Then Obama can rally all he likes without breaking precedent and it would be a bad move by Trump if he started calling her childish names.

BonnieSituation

StringerBell wrote: »

I think Amy Klobuchar could have an outside chance at it, Harris is risky for them. I also think if at all possible they will actually pull someone who isn't currently a popular sitting Senator because the Senate is a priority too.

Could even be someone like Stacey Abrahams or with that kind of profile.

I expect Obama to be out in force as soon as the presumptive nominee become the nominee. Pointless talking point that he hasn't endorsed anybody yet as has already been pointed out. You do really wonder about some peoples ability to critically think about anything at all.

It's really frustrating. Just take a step back and look at what's in front of you. No idea why anyone would come into a politics forum ad say something as bush league as that.

BonnieSituation

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CheriJacobus/status/1248026465976885252?s=20

Hopefully Trump will be next....

I have never even heard of them. What was it they said?

BonnieSituation

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Will there even be an election ?
Will Biden be the candidate ?
There is going to be a gigantic fight over postal voting and closed polling stations.... the whole thing is going to be a massive $hit show.. and everyone knows deep down that Trump isn't going anywhere... he is going to be president for the next 4 years +

With that attitude.

BonnieSituation

aloyisious wrote: »

I wonder if George W Bush will come out swinging for Don, or take a different tack in his home state? A timely reminder of one of his quotes on possible things the Govt should plan to face down... https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-bush-2005-wait-pandemic-late-prepare/story?id=69979013

Bill Bloomberg promised to fund Joe Bidens's campaign.

Not a hope that Dubya comes out for Don. I'd be even surprised if he'd vote for him. Wasn't there always a rumour that he voted for Hilary?

everlast75

aloyisious wrote: »

I wonder if George W Bush will come out swinging for Don, or take a different tack in his home state? A timely reminder of one of his quotes on possible things the Govt should plan to face down... https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-bush-2005-wait-pandemic-late-prepare/story?id=69979013

Bill Bloomberg promised to fund Joe Bidens's campaign.

Perhaps, but not in the way that you meant it...

salmocab

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I would love to see Biden announce Obama as his V.P.

I know it’s not going to happen but what’s the rules on this? As he’s not eligible to be president again I would have thought it precludes him from being VP.

aloyisious

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Will there even be an election ?
Will Biden be the candidate ?
There is going to be a gigantic fight over postal voting and closed polling stations.... the whole thing is going to be a massive $hit show.. and everyone knows deep down that Trump isn't going anywhere... he is going to be president for the next 4 years +

Really?

BonnieSituation

salmocab wrote: »

I know it’s not going to happen but what’s the rules on this? As he’s not eligible to be president again I would have thought it precludes him from being VP.

There's an ambiguity in the constitution. As there is in most of that absolute trash-worthy document.

The Twelfth Amendment states that no-one who is ineligible for the presidency is eligible to be VP and that has taken to mean that they can't assume the presidency.

The 22nd Amendment states that no-one who has been elected to 2 terms can be elected to a third.

There is a school of thought that the way they interact and because there is no term limits on being elected VP, that a VP (who has been a former president for 2 terms) can assume the presidency on the incapacitation of the current POTUS as they would not be "elected to the office".

From my POV, that would be my read. But as with everything wrt the American constitution, it;s based on feels that it is taken to mean that a former two term POTUS can't be VP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Interaction_with_the_Twelfth_Amendment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Interaction_with_the_Twenty-second_Amendment

Itssoeasy

pixelburp wrote: »

Wonder if the option was possible, what odds would you get for a third, non-consecutive term for Obama? Methinks Democrats would chomp ones hand off, while independents & some GOP'ers might be tempted. Wonder if privately the thought ever crossed Obama's mind, though can't imagine Michelle or the kids would be eager...

It would require a repeal of the amendment that imposed the two term limit. There has been a president who served two non consecutive terms but that was before the limit came in.

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/Bakari_Sellers/status/1248039118480736260

The contrast in this small video of even how they speak alone is scary, let alone the fact that Obama knew/had considerations about something like this so far back.

And Trumps lack of leadership/responsibility in all of this really is exposed in such a tiny clip.

Thousands of deaths are on his hands, and his alone.

The Nal

BonnieSituation

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It would require a repeal of the amendment that imposed the two term limit. There has been a president who served two non consecutive terms but that was before the limit came in.

See my post above.

The term limits only came in because of FDR. Before FDR it was convention to only max out at two terms.

Itssoeasy

I didnt think I'd be saying this over ten years ago but George W Bush had the right idea. Also it's nice to see a United States president who read a book on something and felt so strongly he needed to get the country prepared. George W Bush had many issues during his presidency but I wonder would Americans take him back now ?

BonnieSituation

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Bakari_Sellers/status/1248039118480736260

The contrast in this small video of even how they speak alone is scary, let alone the fact that Obama knew/had considerations about something like this so far back.

And Trumps lack of leadership/responsibility in all of this really is exposed in such a tiny clip.

Thousands of deaths are on his (normal sized) hands, and his alone.

And to think, Obama wore that suit.

BonnieSituation

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I didnt think I'd be saying this over ten years ago but George W Bush had the right idea. Also it's nice to see a United States president who read a book on something and felt so strongly he needed to get the country prepared. George W Bush had many issues during his presidency but I wonder would Americans take him back now ?

Yup!

Amazing isn't it.

Even reading from a script he's saying words he understands. Like, you know, as you'd expect.