Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

PropJoe10

Penn wrote: »

So based on his briefings and including last night's one;

As President he has total authority
... but no responsibility

The Governors need the Federal Government
... but States should be doing everything themselves without needing the Federal Government

He acted quickly by shutting down travel from China
... but then did nothing else for about 6 weeks

He knew it was a pandemic before anyone else knew it would be a pandemic
... but held several rallies in the meantime

He'll listen to doctors and medical experts when it comes to when to re-open the economy
... but appoints none of them to his council on doing so, instead appointing his daughter to a position on it, and also says he'll just use his intuition.


No wonder his supporters are struggling so much to defend him, instead relying on picking apart minor points which are subject to interpretation. The man is contradicting himself so much that all he can do is shout at the media when they point out his errors.

The guy is a complete and absolute nut job. He should be locked up for the safety of himself and others.

PropJoe10

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Give it a try sure. List them.

Be interested in reading them.

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously. Have a read two posts down and then get back to us.

Carfacemandog

BonnieSituation wrote: »

We';re still waiting to hear about all the great things he's done?

Also, I believe everlast is waiting on some answers for you?

I am also waiting on various answers from a other Trump thread from Pete. All that can be done is to give him the benefit of the doubt that he somehow didn't see them, and consistently send private messages asking these questions until some answers are received.

The rules very, very clearly state "Please remember that we are not a blog, a news feed nor an announcement forum - if you are not willing to discuss what you post, then please don't post it. Thread will be locked and posters may face a sanction for repeatedly breaking this rule. This forum is for discussion and debate and we will not tolerate soapboxing" and so I want to assume that Pete is not intentionally breaking these rules repeatedly, and instead is merely missing all of the questions posed to him.

The only way I can think of giving him a fair chance to answer is by repeatedly sending these questions to him over private message. Just my 2 cents.

Leroy42

So Pete, you think a leader should, at a time of national crisis with many people dying, locked away from loved ones, not being able to go to mass etc etc, you think that a leader should come out and air his own grievances against his perceived enemy?

Who is that helping? Do you really think the people of NY really care whether Trump feels under attack by the press? Or do you think they are maybe more worried about catching the virus and possibly dying?

I always recall then whenever there is yet another mass shooting, almost the first to come out from GOP and gun advocates, is that now is not the time to make it political, that we need throughs and prayers for the victims etc.

Isn't Trump doing just that? Instead of dealing with the questions that are not just coming from the media but from large parts of the country, he decides to make a political point.

And he will have his supporters, like yourself, who will clap and cheer that he puts it to the media. Why? So what, what possible advantage is there to anybody in doing that? Will he have saved one life, will be be able to open up the economy sooner, will it help medical professionals get anymore PPE?

These press briefings, remembering that Trump didn't allow any press briefings for over a year until he had to stop his rallies, were supposed to give Trump his platform. He controls who gets in, he controls the time, the narrative. The ony he cannot control is the direct questions, but they are all pretty obvious and many on here have noted on many occasions that the media over there are too subservient, and yet he cannot handle it.

Is that leadership? Can he only perform when everyone agrees with him?

These are really easy questions, Pence shows time and again how easy it is to avoid answering (Trump even called him on it recently). But Trump cannot even do that. He takes everything as a personal slight, rather than looking to calm the nation.

Pedro K

Tell me how wrote: »

• Trump says there were good people on both sides in Charlottesville
• Trump implied Frederick Douglass is alive
• Trump appears to reject a handshake with German Chancellor Angela Merkel
• Melania Trump swats her husband's hand away
• Trump pushes prime minister of Montenegro aside
• Trump tells French first lady Brigitte Macron that she's in "such good shape"
• Trump tosses paper towels into a crowd of hurricane survivors in Puerto Rico
• Trump tells children "you have no weight problems," as he hands them Halloween candy at the White House
• Trump supported an accused child molester.
• Trump pardoned a soldier who was implicated in war crimes
• Trump says he takes no responsibility for the US response to Covid-19
• Trump suggested people take unproven medications as treatment for Covid-19
• Trump made a joke about dating models in the same sentence when talking about 1-2 hundred thousand Americans dying.
  
  Not to mention how many times he has claimed to know more about things than experts in that area.
  
  
• ISIS: "I know more about ISIS than the generals do." (November 2015.)
• Social media: "I understand social media. I understand the power of Twitter. I understand the power of Facebook maybe better than almost anybody, based on my results, right?" (November 2015.)
• Courts: "I know more about courts than any human being on Earth." (November 2015.)
• Lawsuits: "Who knows more about lawsuits than I do? I'm the king." (January 2016.)
• Politicians: "I understand politicians better than anybody."
• The visa system: "Nobody knows the system better than me. I know the H1B. I know the H2B. ... Nobody else on this dais knows how to change it like I do, believe me." (March 2016.)
• Trade: "Nobody knows more about trade than me." (March 2016.)
• The U.S. government system: "Nobody knows the system better than I do." (April 2016.)
• Renewable energy: "I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth." (April 2016.)
• Taxes: "I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world." (May 2016.)
• Debt: "I’m the king of debt. I’m great with debt. Nobody knows debt better than me." (June 2016.)
• Money: "I understand money better than anybody." (June 2016.)
• Infrastructure: "Look, as a builder, nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump." (July 2016.)
• Sen. Cory Booker: "I know more about Cory than he knows about himself." (July 2016.)
• Borders: Trump said in 2016 that Sheriff Joe Arpaio said he was endorsing him for president because "you know more about this stuff than anybody."
• Democrats: "I think I know more about the other side than almost anybody." (November 2016.)
• Construction: "Nobody knows more about construction than I do." (May 2018.)
• The economy: "I think I know about it better than [the Federal Reserve]." (October 2018.)
• Technology: "Technology — nobody knows more about technology than me." (December 2018.)
• Drones: "I know more about drones than anybody. I know about every form of safety that you can have." (January 2019.)
• Drone technology: "Having a drone fly overhead — and I think nobody knows much more about technology, this type of technology certainly, than I do." (January 2019.)

Now, why don't you list some things he has done which are praiseworthy.

Be interested in reading them.

One thing you missed. Being named as an unindicted coconspirator in instructing his attorney to pay hush money, from campaign funds, to a porn star about an affair.

That alone would, and should, torpedo any political career broadside. America's political system is broken, and Trump supporters (or truth defenders, as one prominent one here has called himself) are showing themselves up to be fools regularly.

StringerBell

Headshot wrote: »

So the US Supreme Court is hear Trumps taxes case in May

Anyone know how likely will this case go?

Trump, even with the stacked bench should lose this pretty comfortably.

Carfacemandog

StringerBell wrote: »

Trump, even with the stacked bench should lose this pretty comfortably.

After wisconsin fiasco last week, and with other issues like Clarence Thomas wife leading an outright purge on a torn disloyal to Trump, unfortunately I just can't see that being the case.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/ginni-thomas-wife-supreme-court-justice-clarence-trump-loyalist-2020-2%3famp

Hopefully Alito swings it, and there might be a tiny chance of Roberts doing so (but I do mean tiny). Thomas, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh however already have their minds made up on any case that currently is, or in future may be, before them concerning donald Trump.

Quin_Dub

I see that despite the utter shambles around the voting in Wisconsin driven by the GOP , the Democrat candidate won 55%-45% which is a significant swing away from the GOP.

There's another conservative seat up for election next year as well..

StringerBell

Carfacemandog wrote: »

After wisconsin fiasco last week, and with other issues like Clarence Thomas wife leading an outright purge on a torn disloyal to Trump, unfortunately I just can't see that being the case.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/ginni-thomas-wife-supreme-court-justice-clarence-trump-loyalist-2020-2%3famp

Hopefully Alito swings it, and there might be a tiny chance of Roberts doing so (but I do mean tiny). Thomas, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh however already have their minds made up on any case that currently is, or in future may be, before them concerning donald Trump.

I'm on the mobile so I just don't want to type out a long response right now sorry

But basically this is a pretty clear cut case and I would be surprised if it isn't unanimous against Trump in the matter, just further wasting of time and tax payer money in a delaying tactic.

Of course in the age we are in I shouldn't be surprised if it goes the other way (hell I was a little surprised they actually agreed to hear the case tbh) but still, its black and white.

Outlaw Pete

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You expect him to just list off what they did in Feb??

Here's a list:

I expect him to say ANYTHING if he actually did anything in February, which has been a major criticism of how his administration handled this. Surely it would have been a softball question if he had actually done anything. Nope, refuses to answer, screams fake news, blames Biden, blames democrats. Pathetic.

Where do you get your news?

Itssoeasy

I against my better judgement watched some of the press conference from last night. Dear Jesus how is he president ? That exchange with Paula Reid where she was asking good questions and when it was clear he wasn't going to be able to brush off her questioning he personalised the issue. Kaithlyn Collins of CNN also asked good questions and I don't think trump should push this "I have absolute power" narrative because even if you don't follow us politics in detail you'd know that the us states hold very dearly their autonomy in regards to many things.

Leroy42

StringerBell wrote: »

I'm on the mobile so I just don't want to type out a long response right now sorry

But basically this is a pretty clear cut case and I would be surprised if it isn't unanimous against Trump in the matter, just further wasting of time and tax payer money in a delaying tactic.

Of course in the age we are in I shouldn't be surprised if it goes the other way (hell I was a little surprised they actually agreed to hear the case tbh) but still, its black and white.

The result is fairly academic. The case is only being taken to waste time (get past Nov 2020 and get re elected.)

If the case goes in their favour, great. Another reason to crow about how put upon he is etc.

If he loses, then he just ignores it and plays for time, with the pretty safe bet that he is not actually ever going to demanded to abide by it.

He get Barr to launch some linked cases, maybe fire a few people to change the narrative (Fauci I'm looking at you!) and hope he can put it off for a few weeks.

amdublin

In addition to what others have posted about last night's debacle of a briefing.

He accused the media that by them reporting him and his administration was doing a bad job they were saying that all the great hospital workers and frontline staff were doing a bad job (I'm paraphrasing).

This from a man, who on the 30th of March, accused/suggested that frontline staff were stealing masks.

!!!!!!

Tell me how

Pedro K wrote: »

One thing you missed. Being named as an unindicted coconspirator in instructing his attorney to pay hush money, from campaign funds, to a porn star about an affair.

That alone would, and should, torpedo any political career broadside. America's political system is broken, and Trump supporters (or truth defenders, as one prominent one here has called himself) are showing themselves up to be fools regularly.

One thing I missed?

I left out several things. Trump is a BS artist of the highest order and his success in becoming President has spawned a collection of mini-me BS artists who think you can spew any nonsense and that it is a comparable argument to facts and expertise.

Tell me how

StringerBell wrote: »

Trump, even with the stacked bench should lose this pretty comfortably.

My betting is that case will not go ahead until after November. Zero to slim chance.

Pedro K

Tell me how wrote: »

One thing I missed?

I left out several things. Trump is a BS artist of the highest order and his success in becoming President has spawned a collection of mini-me BS artists who think you can spew any nonsense and that it is a comparable argument to facts and expertise.

Oh I agree with you completely. I just thought that was a pretty big omission in terms of what can scupper a political career.

Tell me how

Pedro K wrote: »

Oh I agree with you completely. I just thought that was a pretty big omission in terms of what can scupper a political career.

I would have thought the continuous business venture failures which he was involved in would have also made people think he was beyond becoming President, but here we are.

None of it makes sense outside of thinking the US is in a very bad place in terms of the ultra polarised and partisan system.

kowloon

How lifetime spots in the SC are still a thing I'll never know.

I doubt this latest ****show will damage Trump's Teflon coat. I can see ardent limited-government Republicans talking themselves around this like Pence or just ignoring it, playing it off as Trump sticking it to the Libtards.

Leroy42

Its really funny how even last week there were posters on here making the case that POTUS had little real power, it was all down to the State Governors, the federal government was not really to blame but Trump was doing great.

Then Trump comes out yesterday and says that POTUS has full power in this situation. So doesn't that mean that it is down to him and the WH?

Which version are we supposed to get behind now?

hetuzozaho

Leroy42 wrote: »

Its really funny how even last week there were posters on here making the case that POTUS had little real power, it was all down to the State Governors, the federal government was not really to blame but Trump was doing great.

Then Trump comes out yesterday and says that POTUS has full power in this situation. So doesn't that mean that it is down to him and the WH?

Which version are we supposed to get behind now?

I used to be able to check the new narrative on the_Donald subreddit before it would be rolled out in here. Any idea where they meet now?

fullstop

everlast75 wrote: »

I've given up arguing at this stage with Trump supporters.

They are the equivalent of flat earthers.

“Believe me, I know more than anybody about the earth being flat” :pac:

Tell me how

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I think the issue is that some people are just so blinded by their hatred of Trump that they can't be objective about anything he says or does, and can only ever see and think the worst of him with regards to his intent and motives.

See, it could be a simple back and forth in relation to this point, you can accuse people of being blinded by hatred of Trump, they can accuse you of being ignorant to his failings. And to some degree, it could be said that both interpretations are subjective.

But, you cannot argue with facts both in words and pictures of the fiasco that he is. How can someone say yesterday that the President has absolute power without raising a further red flag to their own statement from 3 weeks ago that they took no responsibility for the disaster that the Covid-19 response has been in the states.

(Still waiting for your list of praiseworthy achievements by Trump by the way, I know you are not going to just ignore my request after I gave you the list you had asked for as that would make you look silly)

Itssoeasy

Also a worrying but not really surprising note is that a source close to the administration told CNNs Jim Acosta that in regards to the tweet about firefauci is that "sometimes the president retweets things without fully reading them." We know that reading complex stuff isn't Donald Trump's strong suit but given that we were told years ago that the tweets(and presumably retweets) of Trump are to be considered to be presidential statements, the fact he's putting stuff out there when not reading them is a worry. Now that line could be a way of distancing the president from any fallout that may come if/when Dr Fauci is fired.

BonnieSituation

kowloon wrote: »

How lifetime spots in the SC are still a thing I'll never know.

I doubt this latest ****show will damage Trump's Teflon coat. I can see ardent limited-government Republicans talking themselves around this like Pence or just ignoring it, playing it off as Trump sticking it to the Libtards.

Cos 'Murica.

That's generally the reason for most of their batshít stuff.

Manic Moran

Leroy42 wrote: »

Its really funny how even last week there were posters on here making the case that POTUS had little real power, it was all down to the State Governors, the federal government was not really to blame but Trump was doing great.

Then Trump comes out yesterday and says that POTUS has full power in this situation. So doesn't that mean that it is down to him and the WH?

Which version are we supposed to get behind now?

What Trump says doesn't change the reality of things. I thought you were generally familiar with this concept by now? (And since you bundled the statement, I never said he was doing great. I said he wasn't particularly relevant)

Cuomo addressed this point fairly directly in this morning's press conference. Opening up the economy is a function of the State governors, as they are the ones with the domestic authority to do so. Only once it gets to interstate and international levels does the federal government start to get any real say. Tenth Amendment, and all that. Trump can advocate all he wants for my local restaurant or hobby shop to open again, but until the county judge says so, it can't.

StringerBell

Trump has already spelled out how he will get the governor's to follow his order (which I suspect will fail) "if they don't need us for this thing they need us for that" or words to that effect. The usual, do what I say or I'll punish you.

He said it yesterday did he not when the reporter was telling him it wasn't true that he has the absolute authority. Basically saying he does because it comes back to him one way or the other, they will want something from him and unless they are doing his bidding they won't get it.

It's pointless to get bogged down in the legal argument, it will be funny hearing the "states rights" crew argue against states rights to decide of course.

PropJoe10

fullstop wrote: »

“Believe me, I know more than anybody about the earth being flat” :pac:

"It's a tremendous earth, more tremendous than a lot of people know. Its as flat as my tax returns are innocent".

Timberrrrrrrr

StringerBell wrote: »

Trump has already spelled out how he will get the governor's to follow his order (which I suspect will fail) "if they don't need us for this thing they need us for that" or words to that effect. The usual, do what I say or I'll punish you.

He said it yesterday did he not when the reporter was telling him it wasn't true that he has the absolute authority. Basically saying he does because it comes back to him one way or the other, they will want something from him and unless they are doing his bidding they won't get it.

It's pointless to get bogged down in the legal argument, it will be funny hearing the "states rights" crew argue against states rights to decide of course.

Just home and seen this tweet from Trump, How can anyone defend this man is beyond belief!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1250063051182747651?s=19

aloyisious

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Just home and seen this tweet from Trump, How can anyone defend this man is beyond belief!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1250063051182747651?s=19

Just another ME! ME! ME! tweet.

banie01

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Just home and seen this tweet from Trump, How can anyone defend this man is beyond belief!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1250063051182747651?s=19

That's absolutely mental.
Cuomo made it very clear at his presser today that he didn't want a fight with Trump.
Outlined his relationship with Trump and thanked him for the federal support.

Outlined why the tests were going to see the same issuess the PPE acquisition, in that it would be 50 states and FEMA bidding against each and driving prices up.

Suggested that FEMA buy all the tests and allocate them, great idea IMO.

Also pointed out that Trump playing politics was a waste of time, when citizens were dying.
That resources matter not blue Vs red.

Cuomo today was honestly a universe away from Trump in terms of offering leadership.

Trump's tweet above is designed to drive a wedge, not build bridges.
He is petty beyond belief, and it is killing Americans and rattling the unity of the states!

Why?
A favourite question of mine at times of manufactures drama is always "Cui Bono?"

If he is not a Manchurian candidate, he is doing an incredible impression of one!