Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

duploelabs

everlast75 wrote: »

Also noticed a lot of folk stiring up support for Cuomo as a Presidential hopeful for 2020. Nice play if your aim is to divide support for Biden.

I would say that those demographic are the same 'Bernie Bros' who aren't really pro-Bernie, but anti Biden. The same type who's motivations might not be exactly what they claim to be

banie01

Call me Al wrote: »

Yes, lots of talking from Trump, no probing questions.
We wouldn't tolerate it in Ireland.

In Ireland we have a parliamentary government that means should a Trump clone ever lead us here, they would have to command the confidence of both their own party to prevent leadership challenges, and of the Dail to command government and prevent a no confidence vote.

The much vaunted US system of "checks and balances" is more akin to smoke and mirrors.
A politicised judiciary only aids the 4yrs of executive power granted on election.

Akrasia

Danzy wrote: »

Once again he'll win because his opponents are worse.

Same with the Tories in Britain, they didn't have to be average to good, the opposition were so off reservation that there was no choice.

A lot of the more insanely free market extremism by many Democrats will also be a non runner in a year where unemployment is so high.

The republicans are the home of the tea party and the fallback for the Libertarians, not the Democrats

sid waddell

duploelabs wrote: »

I would say that those demographic are the same 'Bernie Bros' who aren't really pro-Bernie, but anti Biden. The same type who's motivations might not be exactly what they claim to be

As somebody who supported Warren and the Sanders in the primaries, there are a load of media "personalities" claiming to be pro-Sanders who I wouldn't trust as far as I could look at them.

Gleen Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Katie Halper, Krystal Ball, the Young Turks etc. They're at best useful idiots. But in my view there's something distinctly fishy about them.

Akrasia

salmocab wrote: »

I’m not sure it actually is, people seem to have decided he’s not going to do well but I think that’s mainly a mixture of pro-Trump and people not being a fan of Joe. The reality is Trump didn’t win the popular vote and took some states by relatively small margins, he’s more likely to have lost voters than picked some up and Joe would be a lot more popular than Hilary was.
I wouldn’t be as stupid as to say it’s in the bag but it’s not where a lot think it is.

The American people are horrifically uninformed and misinformed

Think how stupid the average American is, now realize that half of them are stupider than that.

Trump won’t win by convincing people that he’s the best candidate, but he could win by making people afraid to vote for Biden. He won’t do it on his own, he has legions of sycophants who have absolutely zero scruples about lying or deceiving or using any form of propaganda to get trump over the line

sid waddell

Akrasia wrote: »

The republicans are the home of the tea party and the fallback for the Libertarians, not the Democrats

Libertarianism has only ever been one step away from fascism. Fascism is baked into it actually.

To take a less cynical view of libertarianism (in that there are people who genuinely believe in it) it's an ideology which fundamentally misunderstands human nature. To take a more cynical and probably more realistic view, it has always been a trojan horse for fascism.

listermint

Danzy wrote: »

Cuomo could win it, Biden isn't credible or capable.

Waffle.

Biden will wipe the floor with Trump you seem to thing the middling protest voters of last time will stick with trump. There zero hope of that happening. Most want a semblance of normality back. The theatrics at their day and people are bored or angry of it.


This is twattle of little substance and a poor attempt at the biden capability narrative. Boring.

all about the mane

listermint wrote: »

Waffle.

Biden will wipe the floor with Trump you seem to thing the middling protest voters of last time will stick with trump. There zero hope of that happening. Most want a semblance of normality back. The theatrics at their day and people are bored or angry of it.


This is twattle of little substance and a poor attempt at the biden capability narrative. Boring.

Trump will probably get in again. Can’t see it any other way

Penn

The popular vote is Biden's to lose.
The electoral vote is Trump's to steal.

listermint

all about the mane wrote: »

Trump will probably get in again. Can’t see it any other way

you evidently dont understand the appetite in the US to get back to a white man middle of the road with midwestern accent than whats been served up recently.

Even the Tea partiers (anti black man) will be in with Biden. something about american values (white man) with americany background.

Trump was a protest tool, that protest is over bar his small hard core supporters on the ground and the international trolls on the internet.

Professor Moriarty

listermint wrote: »

you evidently dont understand the appetite in the US to get back to a white man middle of the road with midwestern accent than whats been served up recently.

Even the Tea partiers (anti black man) will be in with Biden. something about american values (white man) with americany background.

Trump was a protest tool, that protest is over bar his small hard core supporters on the ground and the international trolls on the internet.

Bookies still have the Orange One as slight favourite.

all about the mane

listermint wrote: »

you evidently dont understand the appetite in the US to get back to a white man middle of the road with midwestern accent than whats been served up recently.

Even the Tea partiers (anti black man) will be in with Biden. something about american values (white man) with americany background.

Trump was a protest tool, that protest is over bar his small hard core supporters on the ground and the international trolls on the internet.

I despise the man but he is playing this just right. If democratic governors in the swing states keep the lockdown going when he is asking for it to be called off, he can blame them for the unemployment figures. And if they quit the lockdown and virus numbers surge, he can blame them for that too. It’s amazing what you can achieve when you are completely unshackled by morality.

Add to this the fact that he is the only one canvassing right now, it’s hard to see Biden getting in.

duploelabs

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Bookies still have the Orange One as slight favourite.

Bookies got the predictions on the Amber one wrong last time too

StringerBell

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Bookies still have the Orange One as slight favourite.

Incumbent.

Though you could have backed both trump and Biden last week or so and made profit regardless, both were just better than even money I believe.

Bookies odds are not a strong indicator when it comes to the orange one. He's the incumbent, if he wasn't the fave at this stage it would be a lot worse of a defeat he would face than what he likely will.

He is in an uphill battle to save his re-election bid and I wouldn't out money on him.

Professor Moriarty

StringerBell wrote: »

Incumbent.

Though you could have backed both trump and Biden last week or so and made profit regardless, both were just better than even money I believe.

Bookies odds are not a strong indicator when it comes to the orange one. He's the incumbent, if he wasn't the fave at this stage it would be a lot worse of a defeat he would face than what he likely will.

He is in an uphill battle to save his re-election bid and I wouldn't out money on him.

I know, it's just a straw in the wind. But the idea that it's a slam dunk for Biden is way off the mark. You can't underestimate the stupidity of large swathes of US voters.

Call me Al

all about the mane wrote: »

Trump will probably get in again. Can’t see it any other way

The "Liberate " tweets yesterday will just add to alienation of a certain cohort of Republican who love, and are loyal to, their country above and beyond Trump, and who don't identify with those headcases who marched.
I truly believe that headlines like that will alienate these voters. They will see trump and America's paths diverge right there. They won't vote for someone who threatens their country's very existence and security.
Biden doesn't need all of these disillusioned Republicans to vote for him.
He just needs enough of them to not vote for Trump, and in the right areas.

aloyisious

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I know, it's just a straw in the wind. But the idea that it's a slam dunk for Biden is way off the mark. You can't underestimate the stupidity of large swathes of US voters.

True enough. If it was merely Don who believes every word he says, example being his "liberate" tweets, then he wouldn't have much of a base. It's that he's not the only believer is the problem.

Cody montana

If any politician tried this stuff here, we’d have a rebellion.

Tell me how

Cody montana wrote: »

If any politician tried this stuff here, we’d have a rebellion.

If a country in Africa had an election where polling booths were reduced from 180 to just 5 in the middle of the worst pandemic in 100 years, and an extended period for postal voting which had been approved by two courts was overturned by the supreme court, the UN would be talking about unfair practices and suggesting that a team of observers should be allowed to come and overlook the whole thing.

That's what happened in Wisconsin 3 weeks ago. Criminal behavior.

ancapailldorcha

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I know, it's just a straw in the wind. But the idea that it's a slam dunk for Biden is way off the mark. You can't underestimate the stupidity of large swathes of US voters.

I don't think the stupidity comment is fair.

If there is a lesson to be learned from 2016, it's that the American left hold their candidate to much higher standards than the right.

Conservatives who disliked or detested Trump still voted for him while liberals dissatisfied with Clinton stayed home. The left needs to learn to tolerate it's different factions or we'll see a repeat this year.

pixelburp

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't think the stupidity comment is fair.

If there is a lesson to be learned from 2016, it's that the American left hold their candidate to much higher standards than the right.

Conservatives who disliked or detested Trump still voted for him while liberals dissatisfied with Clinton stayed home. The left needs to learn to tolerate it's different factions or we'll see a repeat this year.

Sanders' rhetoric lately has been a lot more accommodating than last time. Ditto Biden, speaking highly of Sanders and that he would have a place in his administration. Remains to be seen how that translates to votes on the ground (or in the post, assuming the GOP don't interfere), but I've noticed more solidarity between the two men in recent weeks, than the lip service between Clinton and Sanders in 2016.

aloyisious

Thinking about the election as cynically as Don does [I don't trust the postal voters, their fake - except of course me, I postal-voted] and with the Senate and Congress not meeting as a body, & some state legislature bodies, the time space for ensuring more than the small number of states allow the electorate to postal-vote is narrowing. The GOP, as instanced in Wisconsin, will try to block an increase in postal-vote numbers and insist that voters do so in person at centres. The capital city had only five [5] polling centres for its population in that election.

Texas Gov Greg Abbott, a Republican, told The Dallas Morning News he opposes mandating mail-in voting because it would infringe on the rights of people who vote at the polls. “I do not want to take away the law that provides the right of people to vote in person,”. Notice he chooses to use the word mandating, instead of option. Texas has a "required I/D" law for voters. Basically, in the event of a winter resurgence of the virus [which the Trump Admin recognizes to be a fact] it would amount to a "do or die" imposition on the voter to turn out to queue in socially-spaced lines to cast your vote in that state.

Akrasia

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't think the stupidity comment is fair.

If there is a lesson to be learned from 2016, it's that the American left hold their candidate to much higher standards than the right.

Conservatives who disliked or detested Trump still voted for him while liberals dissatisfied with Clinton stayed home. The left needs to learn to tolerate it's different factions or we'll see a repeat this year.

The Democrats are not on the Left though, they're much further to the the right than most right leaning parties in Europe

The problem is that people who are left leaning in the US are 'Politically homeless' and are getting very fed up of being shafted by the DNC every 4 years

The system is utterly corrupt and seems incapable of repairing itself within the confines of it's own rules, so it's either going to stay broken, or get worse and worse, or there will come a point in time where more liberal states begin to wonder what's in it for them to remain a part of a more and more disfunctional federal system

Mental Mickey

RTE News Now saying that he's criticising some governor's stay at home orders.

That's cos he's incapable of making a decision, and is more interested in himself.

sid waddell

Personally I think Trump wants as many people as possible to die of COVID-19. African-Americans are dying at a far outsize rate compared to the rest of the population and as far as Trump is concerned, the less African-Americans around, the better.

And the longer COVID-19 sticks around, the easier it is for Trump to rig the election.

Do not at Trump through the frame of incompetence - because it's not incompetence. Look at it through the frame of evil - because that's what it is, and what he is.

Infini

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Bookies still have the Orange One as slight favourite.

U sure bout that? Paddy Power has Trump 5/6 and Biden 6/5 and I'd say Biden has a greater shot at this, Bernie was quick to endorse is former rival this time and even join up with him as they all want Trump out now.

I'd say its still all to play for but I think Trump will likely lose this time expecially if Dem's have a united front this time.

Infini

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I know, it's just a straw in the wind. But the idea that it's a slam dunk for Biden is way off the mark. You can't underestimate the stupidity of large swathes of US voters.

Oh I'd agree with you that theres a sizable chunk of America who are terminally stupid and will vote Trump/Republican no matter what but Hillary won the popular vote and only lost because the Democrat vote didnt come out for her in key states, I dont believe we'll see a repeat of that though Trump might be able to get the dumbass vote out but the Dems can counter that by getting out the key voters by pointing out how a real leader solve problems and an incompetent one takes no responsibility ever.

ancapailldorcha

pixelburp wrote: »

Sanders' rhetoric lately has been a lot more accommodating than last time. Ditto Biden, speaking highly of Sanders and that he would have a place in his administration. Remains to be seen how that translates to votes on the ground (or in the post, assuming the GOP don't interfere), but I've noticed more solidarity between the two men in recent weeks, than the lip service between Clinton and Sanders in 2016.

I noticed this myself. Biden doesn't seem to elicit the same sort of response from the American right as Clinton did. I can't see that making a huge difference but we'll find out.

Akrasia wrote: »

The Democrats are not on the Left though, they're much further to the the right than most right leaning parties in Europe

The problem is that people who are left leaning in the US are 'Politically homeless' and are getting very fed up of being shafted by the DNC every 4 years

The system is utterly corrupt and seems incapable of repairing itself within the confines of it's own rules, so it's either going to stay broken, or get worse and worse, or there will come a point in time where more liberal states begin to wonder what's in it for them to remain a part of a more and more disfunctional federal system

The Democrats are the American left. The whole system seems to be unfit for purpose but it's what the American left, liberals and socialists must contend with and plan to change.

StringerBell

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I know, it's just a straw in the wind. But the idea that it's a slam dunk for Biden is way off the mark. You can't underestimate the stupidity of large swathes of US voters.

I have never said it's a slam dunk for Biden or anything of the sort though if you read my posts on the subject.

Mental Mickey

sid waddell wrote: »

Personally I think Trump wants as many people as possible to die of COVID-19. African-Americans are dying at a far outsize rate compared to the rest of the population and as far as Trump is concerned, the less African-Americans around, the better.

And the longer COVID-19 sticks around, the easier it is for Trump to rig the election.

Do not at Trump through the frame of incompetence - because it's not incompetence. Look at it through the frame of evil - because that's what it is, and what he is.

What do you base this on?