Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

mickdoocey

duploelabs wrote: »

What's with the cognative dissonance? Bolton Mulvaney and Pompeo were called and were blocked, cases were filed against this veto and are still in a legal bind

impeachment should have not started until the courts decided .
this will take time but the senate does not have to call witnesses and I think wont
the impeachment will be finished in 2 weeks

if the dems some how get the senate to find trump guilty I seriously see America on the verge of civil war.
Trump supporters will have no option but to openly attack the state and its arms of power.

Pelosi and her dem gang are so out of touch they cant see this .

mickdoocey

mickdoocey wrote: »

if the dems some how get the senate to find trump guilty I seriously see America on the verge of civil war.
Trump supporters will have no option but to openly attack the state and its arms of power.

He won't be removed from office but even if he was, none of this would happen. Fortunately the lunatic red hat crowd are a minority.

everlast75

mickdoocey wrote: »

impeachment should have not started until the courts decided

not what the rules say. Should the rules not count any more?

mickdoocey wrote: »

this will take time but the senate does not have to call witnesses and I think wont
the impeachment will be finished in 2 weeks

they don't, but if they don't, hopefully those Republicans that don't vote for witnesses will be punished by their constituents

mickdoocey wrote: »

if the dems some how get the senate to find trump guilty I seriously see America on the verge of civil war.

if he's found guilty, it's because

a) (spoiler alert) he is guilty
b) Republicans voted to convict

As for the threat of civil war, why is it this line is trotted out by Trump supporters? If he is removed, it will be in accordance with the constitution.

Where was the outrage when russia interfered in the election? Where was the outrage when Trump asked AGAIN for foreign interference? Do Trump supporters have a problem with a fair fight?

mickdoocey wrote: »

Trump supporters will have no option but to openly attack the state and its arms of power.

Big men with their threats LOL. Who are we talking about? The 50 odd bikers for Trump?

mickdoocey wrote: »

Pelosi and her dem gang are so out of touch they cant see this .

Yeah, maybe they could take a dump on a golden toilet.. you know, get in touch with the common man...

Itssoeasy

mickdoocey wrote: »

exactly you prove my point
the dems should have called Bolton, Pompeo and Mulvaney before the house
if trump called executive privilege, then they bring him to court to force those witnesses to testify
that is how the process works
they did not do it and that we all know why - they have no evidence

vindmans was on the call but was not in the room and not apart of the decision making
he has no context to offer and worse of all we now know he had a very loose tongue and when this is all over will immediately sacked because of safety concerns

no I don't prove your point because you don't have a coherent point. You have false or misleading points where you conveniently leave out or twist things to suit your point of view.

Oh so trump is cutting down on the people who have access to his phones calls because they have loose tongues ? I was under the impression it to limit the people who can hear trump make a balls of being president and doing acts which run counter the oath he took.

aloyisious

mickdoocey wrote: »

impeachment should have not started until the courts decided .
this will take time but the senate does not have to call witnesses and I think wont
the impeachment will be finished in 2 weeks

if the dems some how get the senate to find trump guilty I seriously see America on the verge of civil war.
Trump supporters will have no option but to openly attack the state and its arms of power.

Pelosi and her dem gang are so out of touch they cant see this .

The idea that the US would have to wait for the USSC decide on whether Don had the right to tell his staff and government employees they can ignore subpoenas issued through the US Constitutional system is one Don would like and has nothing to do with the rule of law, just the dream situation Don Trump wants for himself, emperor over all in the US with the law doing what he said and wanted.

Respectfully the senate does allow for witnesses to appear at presidential impeachment trials. Monica Lewinsky and two others were called as witnesses at the trial of President Clinton. The present senate leader, Mitch McConnell, decided not to allow for the calling of witnesses in this trial on party lines, not because there were NO witnesses to be called to provide evidence for both sides in their possession but the opposite. Mitch decided to prevent witnesses from either/any party coming to the trial to provide testimony which could blow his president out of the Oval Office. Hell, this also includes Don himself. That is how far they both are prepared to go to ensure a rigged fake trial.

As for the prospect of civil war being brought onto the streets of the US by dis-satisfied Trump supporters, as they are his supporters it'd be up to him to control them as they'd be wrecking his MAGA dream.

mickdoocey

there is no winning here
posters here are so anti trump they set the narrative to suit it
Donald trump I am sure like all the presidents of America could be impeached for many of their actions, this is not one.
there is evidence of any wrong doing and even if you believe trump did try to pressurise the Ukraine president, does that mean biden and Obama should be arrested and brought to trial.
of course not because as the dems say there is no criminality here

Gbear

everlast75 wrote: »

As for the threat of civil war, why is it this line is trotted out by Trump supporters? If he is removed, it will be in accordance with the constitution.

Where was the outrage when russia interfered in the election? Where was the outrage when Trump asked AGAIN for foreign interference? Do Trump supporters have a problem with a fair fight?

What else could they do?

I don't want to flog the dead horse of fascism again, so instead just drill down to what the Republican party is already doing and what the beliefs of some of those (a majority of their base) that support them are.

If you're already being given carte blanche to totally disregard the law, norms of democracy, be nakedly oligarchal and self-serving to the elites that the party's sole purpose is to advantage, to be totally shameless in your propaganda and to attack the structures in place that keep democracy functioning in the state, why would there be limits to what these people are capable of demanding of their voters? After all, it won't be Mitch McConnell taking up arms.

And as for their supporters, how many of them are genuine theocrats who believe the rapture is coming? How many are white supremacists? How many belive in insane, freeman on the land conspiracy theory bull****?

That collection of demographics is a large proportion - probably a majority of their base.

If you're in a situation where you've formed a shared identity with people who believe the wiping out of white Christendom is underway, that gods chosen will be taken to heaven, potentially within our lifetime, and that the government is controlled by evil people who rape babies in satanic rituals, or some variant belief thereof, what other choice would you have than taking up arms against those people denying you your Utopia, the "greatest nation there ever was"?

It might be difficult to parse as someone from Europe, but the level of right wing radicalisation in the US is totally unfamiliar to most people on this continent, particularly if they're too young to remember the War.

Just think about, even on a basic and relatively benign level, how utterly absurd you find notions like the pledge of allegiance or how ludicrously seriously they take their national anthem. That sort of jingoism is completely enmeshed within the American psyche, but alien to even pretty nationalist Irish people. When that's the baseline, then you don't even have to go to the far fringes to find those who'll be willing to reject the concept of democracy at the drop of a hat.

duploelabs

mickdoocey wrote: »

there is no winning here
posters here are so anti trump they set the narrative to suit it
Donald trump I am sure like all the presidents of America could be impeached for many of their actions, this is not one.
there is evidence of any wrong doing and even if you believe trump did try to pressurise the Ukraine president, does that mean biden and Obama should be arrested and brought to trial.
of course not because as the dems say there is no criminality here

What research or paper are you referencing to come to the conclusion that Obama and Biden should be arrested

mickdoocey

duploelabs wrote: »

What research or paper are you referencing to come to the conclusion that Obama and Biden should be arrested

biden as vice president was given the lead on Ukraine
he with obamas authorisation demanded a leading prosecutor be sacked because he was investigating the firm employing hunter biden
there is video evidence of biden telling this in his won words
this is real evidence and biden and the Obama administration should be investigated for fraud and bribery charges.

aloyisious

mickdoocey wrote: »

there is no winning here
posters here are so anti trump they set the narrative to suit it
Donald trump I am sure like all the presidents of America could be impeached for many of their actions, this is not one.
there is evidence of any wrong doing and even if you believe trump did try to pressurise the Ukraine president, does that mean biden and Obama should be arrested and brought to trial.
of course not because as the dems say there is no criminality here

There is one unavoidable truth in this and that is that Don Trump is the sole person for trial in the senate and no one else. This mention of former President Obama and prospective presidential-candidate Biden is not relevant.

I've pointed out here in the past that Don Trump had both the DOJ and AG Barr at his command to make a corruption evidence case against Joe Biden & his son, and had the State Dept & Sec State Pompeo at his command to present that case to the Ukraine Govt and President Zelensky for them to investigate the Bidens. He did not use that power to ensure the Bidens would be investigated for corruption there.

Instead he sent his personal lawyer on his behalf on a NON-GOVERNMENTAL errand to do it, an action by him as US head of state interfering with and usurping the independence of Ukraines President and Govt. In order to ensure that he would get his way, he had monies which the Senate GOP & DEMOCRAT members had unanimously set aside for the benefit of Ukraines defence delayed in transit and told President Zelensky that he would not get the money unless he made a public statement that he would have the Bidens investigated.

To use your words, Don Trump tried to set the narrative in his own way, with the rider that it was outside the powers given him by the US constitution which he swore to uphold. Like it or not, Don is the one on trial here, not the Bidens or anyone else. This thread is about his election.

PS: theoretically it's still open for Don to go the formal route this time and ASK Ukraine to carry out a corruption investigation into the Bidens and Burisma. The question YOU have to ask yourself NOW is why Don did not go that route and still is not going that route.

Professor Moriarty

mickdoocey wrote: »

biden as vice president was given the lead on Ukraine
he with obamas authorisation demanded a leading prosecutor be sacked because he was investigating the firm employing hunter biden
there is video evidence of biden telling this in his won words
this is real evidence and biden and the Obama administration should be investigated for fraud and bribery charges.

That video has been debunked. It was doctored and the accusation is false. In actual fact, ironically, Biden was demanding that Ukraine crack down on corruption.

Cody montana

mickdoocey wrote: »

biden as vice president was given the lead on Ukraine
he with obamas authorisation demanded a leading prosecutor be sacked because he was investigating the firm employing hunter biden
there is video evidence of biden telling this in his won words
this is real evidence and biden and the Obama administration should be investigated for fraud and bribery charges.

You have no idea what you're on about, do you?

A CORRUPT prosecutor was removed.
On behalf of the US government, the EU, the IMF and others.
They were literally fighting corruption.

Timberrrrrrrr

mickdoocey wrote: »

biden as vice president was given the lead on Ukraine
he with obamas authorisation demanded a leading prosecutor be sacked because he was investigating the firm employing hunter biden
there is video evidence of biden telling this in his won words
this is real evidence and biden and the Obama administration should be investigated for fraud and bribery charges.

Wrong on so many levels, I'm embarrassed for you!

mickdoocey

FACT 1 -hunter biden was employed by Ukraine and Chinese companies - paid millions and has zero qualifications.
he is a drug addict who was kicked out of the NAVY.
FACT 2 - joe biden is appointed the point man for energy in Ukraine and china
FACT 3 - hunter biden used his fathers position to make millions of dollars
FACT 4 - joe biden gets a prosecutor fired who was investigating his sons employers
FACT 5 - hunter biden was asked on American TV did he see anything wrong with what he did he said no, when asked would he do what he did again he said NO.
FACT 6 - joe biden said last October if elected president he would allow no member of his family to do foreign work which could undermine his position as president, when the true parallel is to ban his vice presidents family members from doing this
FACT 7 - the video is real -

if the dems call Bolton then trumo calls hunter biden
game set and match trump







The timeline is

mickdoocey

mickdoocey wrote: »

FACT 1 -hunter biden was employed by Ukraine and Chinese companies - paid millions and has zero qualifications.
he is a drug addict who was kicked out of the NAVY.
FACT 2 - joe biden is appointed the point man for energy in Ukraine and china
FACT 3 - hunter biden used his fathers position to make millions of dollars
FACT 4 - joe biden gets a prosecutor fired who was investigating his sons employers
FACT 5 - hunter biden was asked on American TV did he see anything wrong with what he did he said no, when asked would he do what he did again he said NO.
FACT 6 - joe biden said last October if elected president he would allow no member of his family to do foreign work which could undermine his position as president, when the true parallel is to ban his vice presidents family members from doing this
FACT 7 - the video is real -

if the dems call Bolton then trumo calls hunter biden
game set and match trump







The timeline is

None of that matters at all. Trump abused the power of his office for his own political gain against a political rival. He has been impeached for this. Your list is irrelevant.

ancapailldorcha

Mickdoocey banned.

Outlaw Pete

Deleted User wrote: »

Trump abused the power of his office for his own political gain against a political rival. He has been impeached for this. Your list is irrelevant.

Impeachment is how a political legislative body levels charges against a government official. It does not mean that that official (in this case Donald Trump) is guilty of said charges and so I don't know why you're speaking as if it does.

Pelosi can lick her lips and grin from ear to ear as much as she likes, about how Trump will be impeached "forever", but it is a childish thing for her to say. Up there with Cartman's 'Na na nah na na' and about as mature.

Here's that clip from some leftist's account on Twitter just in case you missed it:


https://twitter.com/FreedomTVR/status/1218584445801779201

What happened to her being "prayerful" and her telling us that they weren't "gleeful" about doing it? Yeah right, who does she thinks she's kidding. Democrats in congress just abusing their power for political gain, that's all it is, the very thing they claim Donald Trump has done.

everlast75

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Pelosi can lick her lips and grin from ear to ear as much as she likes, about how Trump will be impeached "forever", but it is a childish thing for her to say. Up there with Cartman's 'Na na nah na na' and about as mature

Wow.

Wait until you hear Trump called people childish names, like Lyin Ted Cruz, Little Marco, Nervous Nancy, Creey Joe Biden.

You're going to be outraged!!!!

Timberrrrrrrr

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Impeachment is how a political legislative body levels charges against a government official. It does not mean that that official (in this case Donald Trump) is guilty of said charges and so I don't know why you're speaking as if it does.

Pelosi can lick her lips and grin from ear to ear as much as she likes, about how Trump will be impeached "forever", but it is a childish thing for her to say. Up there with Cartman's 'Na na nah na na' and about as mature.

Here's that clip from some leftist's account on Twitter just in case you missed it:


https://twitter.com/FreedomTVR/status/1218584445801779201

What happened to her being "prayerful" and her telling us that they weren't "gleeful" about doing it? Yeah right, who does she thinks she's kidding. Democrats in congress just abusing their power for political gain, that's all it is, the very thing they claim Donald Trump has done.

But "shifty schiff", "crazy Joe", Al Frankenstein", "pochahantas", "rocket man", "Jeff bozo" (that's just a small sample) are all very mature things for the president of the U.S to say?

Midlife

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Impeachment is how a political legislative body levels charges against a government official. It does not mean that that official (in this case Donald Trump) is guilty of said charges and so I don't know why you're speaking as if it does.

Pelosi can lick her lips and grin from ear to ear as much as she likes, about how Trump will be impeached "forever", but it is a childish thing for her to say. Up there with Cartman's 'Na na nah na na' and about as mature.

Here's that clip from some leftist's account on Twitter just in case you missed it:


https://twitter.com/FreedomTVR/status/1218584445801779201

What happened to her being "prayerful" and her telling us that they weren't "gleeful" about doing it? Yeah right, who does she thinks she's kidding. Democrats in congress just abusing their power for political gain, that's all it is, the very thing they claim Donald Trump has done.

Ha. 3 days ago is was you claiming truth is important as a trump supporter. Now bring childish is not OK.

To be honest Pete, I don't see much in the way of supporting Trump from your posts. I think you jut hate the Democrats.

Di yourself a favour and spend a few days trying to big up trump without mentioning the opposition. Like 3 years in, just talk about the great stuff he's done rather than giving out about Democrats, leftists, media etc.

pixelburp

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

[...]

Pelosi can lick her lips and grin from ear to ear as much as she likes, about how Trump will be impeached "forever", but it is a childish thing for her to say. Up there with Cartman's 'Na na nah na na' and about as mature.

The standards you hold other politicians compared with Trump is demonstrably hypocritical. President Trump's resting demeanour and language is consistently childish yet your own glee at shiving Democrats for the smallest of slights is pretty transparent.

randomname2005

Midlife wrote: »

Ha. 3 days ago is was you claiming truth is important as a trump supporter. Now bring childish is not OK.

To be honest Pete, I don't see much in the way of supporting Trump from your posts. I think you jut hate the Democrats.

Di yourself a favour and spend a few days trying to big up trump without mentioning the opposition. Like 3 years in, just talk about the great stuff he's done rather than giving out about Democrats, leftists, media etc.

And it would be great if it was things that "he" has done, not just signing papers that come across his desk, not hosting parties and events that have been hosted at the WH for many years, but substantive verifiable works for the common good, not covered in lies (e.g. don't start claiming that there have been hundreds of miles of new walls built when all (or most) is just replacing old barriers), that he has been the driving force behind.

Midlife

randomname2005 wrote: »

And it would be great if it was things that "he" has done, not just signing papers that come across his desk, not hosting parties and events that have been hosted at the WH for many years, but substantive verifiable works for the common good, not covered in lies (e.g. don't start claiming that there have been hundreds of miles of new walls built when all (or most) is just replacing old barriers), that he has been the driving force behind.

I feel that all in all the most beneficial thing about Trump is his inability to bring people together. With the backing he has from the base and both houses, he could have done pretty much anything and it would have been very very hard to undo.

All that actually can't be undone on day 1 of whoever comes next is Mitch's tax cut.

Obviously there's trade deals and stuff but AFAIK he passed very little that needed house or Congress approval.

Outlaw Pete

Gbear wrote: »

And as for their supporters, how many of them are genuine theocrats who believe the rapture is coming? How many are white supremacists? How many belive in insane, freeman on the land conspiracy theory bull****?

That collection of demographics is a large proportion - probably a majority of their base.

You're just pushing a false narrative so you can malign those who disagree with you. This is something the left does constantly with Trump and those who voted for him. Suggest that he, and those who voted for him, are racist and that 'Make America Great' again is/was really about making America white again. It's baloney of course.

Not that you are alone in suggesting that the majority at the 2A rally are white supremacists, lots of leftist media doing the same all week so they can continue to push that false narrative that conservatives and middle America (and the POTUS by extension given that they voted for him) are all racists.

The truth of the matter is far different however, but open to being proven wrong and look forward to seeing you back up your assertion when the rally is over. Far as I'm concerned, as long as the violent radical left don't show up, can't see these peaceful patriots causing any trouble whatsoever.

Couple of clips so far from the day ...


https://twitter.com/America14047750/status/1219299508401647619
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1219308924370857984

everlast75

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You're just pushing a false narrative so you can malign those who disagree with you. This is something the left does constantly with Trump and those who voted for him. Suggest that he, and those who voted for him, are racist and that 'Make America Great' again is/was really about making America white again. It's baloney of course.

Not that you are alone in suggesting that the majority at the 2A rally are white supremacists, lots of leftist media doing the same all week so they can continue to push that false narrative that conservatives and middle America (and the POTUS by extension given that they voted for him) are all racists.

The truth of the matter is far different however, but open to being proven wrong and look forward to seeing you back up your assertion when the rally is over. Far as I'm concerned, as long as the violent radical left don't show up, can't see these peaceful patriots causing any trouble whatsoever.

Couple of clips so far from the day ...


https://twitter.com/America14047750/status/1219299508401647619
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1219308924370857984

What a surprise - Ignore the fact that you were called on your previous post as usual and then come out attacking a poster/press/ "the left" with some other disingenuous post with whataboutery or dodgy "supporting" links.

Funny how we can't find a Trump defender who can actually articulate arguments and stay on point.

aloyisious

I'm slightly bemused watching Kellyanne Conway, counsellor to the president, on Fox News saying Hunter Biden will be the first witness at the impeachment trial. The item is timed at around 11AM, don't know which day though. https://video.foxnews.com/v/6124990391001/

everlast75

aloyisious wrote: »

I'm slightly bemused watching Kellyanne Conway, counsellor to the president, on Fox News saying Hunter Biden will be the first witness at the impeachment trial. The item is timed at around 11AM, don't know which day though. https://video.foxnews.com/v/6124990391001/

Any son of a president or vice president who allegedly profited off his dad's position should have testify.



What time is Donny Jnr testifying at?

MarinersBlues

aloyisious wrote: »

I'm slightly bemused watching Kellyanne Conway, counsellor to the president, on Fox News saying Hunter Biden will be the first witness at the impeachment trial. The item is timed at around 11AM, don't know which day though. https://video.foxnews.com/v/6124990391001/

"We will have a full on defence which will be a great offence on the facts"
:pac::pac::pac:

Itssoeasy

aloyisious wrote: »

I'm slightly bemused watching Kellyanne Conway, counsellor to the president, on Fox News saying Hunter Biden will be the first witness at the impeachment trial. The item is timed at around 11AM, don't know which day though. https://video.foxnews.com/v/6124990391001/

Unless hunter Biden worked in the White House unbeknownst to the trump administration(not completely impossible in fairness), was working at OMB, then as much as Kelly Anne and others want to try this stunt he's is not a fact witness to anything the president did. He has zero relevant information that would help the senate get to the bottom of what the president did on July 25th of last year.

aloyisious

eire4 wrote: »

Scared stiff of an imaginary bogeyman indeed when in reality you are more likely to be killed by a police officer in the US then by a terrorist or anybody from this mysterious left in the US.

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/u-s-citizens-58-times-killed-police-terrorists/

When in political trouble in the states, pull out "the red under the bed".