Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

BonnieSituation

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I used to see that when folks are coming down or crashing from having been upped too long.. Such swings in combativeness and apparent euphoria/ dysphoria usually give the medics surrounding a person cause for alarm.. that ****in Aderrall really can mess with folks' heads...

I do love the Wiki entry on it:

WIKIPEDIA wrote:

Many postsecondary students have reported using Adderall for study purposes in different parts of the developed world. Among these students, some of the risk factors for misusing ADHD stimulants recreationally include:

possessing deviant personality characteristics (i.e., exhibiting delinquent or deviant behavior),

• inadequate accommodation of special needs,

• basing one's self-worth on external validation,

• low self-efficacy,

• earning poor grades,

• and suffering from an untreated mental health disorder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall

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I think it may be a full-house.

TomOnBoard

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I agree. It's like his ego can't prop him up any more.

He was probably sedated a bit anyway, following the publication of the Senate Intelligence Ctte report earlier....

I'm sure he was apoplectic when he first heard about it. And he can't even blame Pelosi for it.... Imagine the inner turmoil in the man, and how he's taking that out on anyone near the TV beside the Oval....

I'd say Meadows is crying a river right now, and 20 other times every day.... "You mean, I gave up my role as a gob****e Congressman for THIS?". Yer heart would almost bleed for the poor schmuck!

I said ALMOST! !

TomOnBoard

Snake Oil dominoes really beginning to fall now. The New England Journal of Medicine has done an early assessment of the Snake Oil remedy being propagated by Trump and his surrogates..

Guess what!

If anything, it's worse than taking nothing!!!

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/va-study-of-anti-malarial-drug-shows-no-benefit-for-use-with-coronavirus-patients/


Google the complete report:

Outcomes of hydroxychloroquine usage in United States veterans hospitalized with Covid-19

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

He will probably announce a huge stimulus package for the oil barons so they don't go broke :pac:

Well colour me surprised at this announcement.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252591306028785667?s=19

everlast75

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Well colour me surprised at this announcement.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252591306028785667?s=19

I read online a comment that if things get worse for oil companies, they're going to have to lay off a few senators...

Leroy42

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Well colour me surprised at this announcement.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252591306028785667?s=19

So that's Agriculture, airlines, cruise ships and oil companies that he is bailing out.

But Bernie is the socialist?

Retr0gamer

Can't let the impoverished struggling energy and oil companies go bust.

uptherebels

Leroy42 wrote: »

So that's Agriculture, airlines, cruise ships and oil companies that he is bailing out.

But Bernie is the socialist?

It only counts as socialism when it's money going to "poor" people

pixelburp

Leroy42 wrote: »

So that's Agriculture, airlines, cruise ships and oil companies that he is bailing out.

But Bernie is the socialist?

Something about pulling ones self up by bootstraps, or the American Dream. Oh and of course mustn't forget the myth of the Trickle Down Economy. Poor people only have themselves to blame for being poor. I think that about covers all the boilerplate responses against helping the struggling poor, right?

Leroy42

pixelburp wrote: »

Something about pulling ones self up by bootstraps, or the American Dream. Oh and of course mustn't forget the myth of the Trickle Down Economy. Poor people only have themselves to blame for being poor. I think that about covers all the boilerplate responses against helping the struggling poor, right?

Unless you are AOC, then pulling yourself up is seen a demeaning and everyone should start off rich!

Cody montana

Leroy42 wrote: »

So that's Agriculture, airlines, cruise ships and oil companies that he is bailing out.

But Bernie is the socialist?

How did republicans behave when Obama bailed out the automobile industry?

Igotadose

Cody montana wrote: »

How did republicans behave when Obama bailed out the automobile industry?

Against it of course. 14bn. Peanuts by today's standards. Tbf discussion on bailout started under GWB https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSTRE4B50CL20081210

banie01

Leroy42 wrote: »

So that's Agriculture, airlines, cruise ships and oil companies that he is bailing out.

But Bernie is the socialist?

I don't think the U.S actually understand how Capitalism is meant to function anymore.

Multiple bailouts, for multiple industries across multiple crises, all whilst giving the actual citizens as little financial support as possible from their tax dollars.

Where's these industries rainy day funds?
The 6 months survival money that so many in the US advise for people to have?

Retr0gamer

banie01 wrote: »

I don't think the U.S actually understand how Capitalism is meant to function anymore.

Multiple bailouts, for multiple industries across multiple crises, all whilst giving the actual citizens as little financial support as possible from their tax dollars.

Where's these industries rainy day funds?
The 6 months survival money that so many in the US advise for people to have?

Locked up in the same get rich quick risky investments that has the oil industry reeling right now.

But sure they aren't high risk investments when if they fail the government will bail you out with tax payers money.

Gunmonkey

everlast75 wrote: »

I read online a comment that if things get worse for oil companies, they're going to have to lay off a few senators...

Its always the front-line employees of companies that get the axe first.

kowloon

As a proportion of the spend, where do the cheques given to individuals stand?

AMKC

The Don is not looking or sounding so good. Maybe he could cut down on the amount of press conferences he does until he actually has something to say.
I wonder does he have Covid-19? I would not wish for anyone to die from it but maybe a little suffering and not been able to do anything for a month or so would change his perspective on it but unfortunately it might be too little to late for a lot of Americans by then.
If Reagan, Bill Clinton, Hillary, Obama or even Bush had been there I doubt America would be in the mess it is in now.

kowloon

AMKC wrote: »

If Reagan, Bill Clinton, Hillary, Obama or even Bush had been there I doubt America would be in the mess it is in now.

Bush, for all his faults, has a good track record with taking diseases seriously. The AIDS relief plan that Birx is now head of was launched by him.

ECO_Mental

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Well colour me surprised at this announcement.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1252591306028785667?s=19

Socialize the losses but keep all the profits........America is great isn't it.



I wouldn't mind if they pay all this back with interest or pay their fair share of tax for he next 50 years

Leroy42

ECO_Mental wrote: »

Socialize the losses but keep all the profits........America is great isn't it.



I wouldn't mind if they pay all this back with interest or pay their fair share of tax for he next 50 years

Well they certainly won't be paying their share of tax, Trump have them the biggest tax reduction in history.

Carfacemandog

Leroy42 wrote: »

Unless you are AOC, then pulling yourself up is seen a demeaning and everyone should start off rich!

Has she not gone back to her home country yet along with Rashida Tlaib and Ayanna Presley like Donald said they should?

Professor Moriarty

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Has she not gone back to her home country yet along with Rashida Tlaib and Ayanna Presley like Donald said they should?

The Donald should piss off back to Scotland pronto.

aloyisious

pixelburp wrote: »

Something about pulling ones self up by bootstraps, or the American Dream. Oh and of course mustn't forget the myth of the Trickle Down Economy. Poor people only have themselves to blame for being poor. I think that about covers all the boilerplate responses against helping the struggling poor, right?

One of the NFL owners invited onto Don's advisory committee slammed the tax cut as useless, it didn't help the people it was supposed to. The trickle-down economics plan was a failure, in his opinion.

Midlife

Good article on Politico about how coronavirus is exposing America's current shortcomings and the effect on the prestige of the country.

"The United States was once known for its can-do culture. We built the Panama Canal and we put a man on the moon,” said historian Douglas Brinkley of Rice University. “And now we can’t get a swab or a face mask or a gown and we have no real chain of command. And we have two Americas, a Republican one and a Democratic one, and they won’t collaborate. We are not leading in the pandemic response, we are trailing other countries by a long shot. This is a crippling blow to America’s prestige around the world.”

It doesn't blame Trump, more says this division all started two decades ago and Trump has just given it steroids.

It is astounding though. A true change to the world order.

Quin_Dub

Midlife wrote: »

Good article on Politico about how coronavirus is exposing America's current shortcomings and the effect on the prestige of the country.

"The United States was once known for its can-do culture. We built the Panama Canal and we put a man on the moon,” said historian Douglas Brinkley of Rice University. “And now we can’t get a swab or a face mask or a gown and we have no real chain of command. And we have two Americas, a Republican one and a Democratic one, and they won’t collaborate. We are not leading in the pandemic response, we are trailing other countries by a long shot. This is a crippling blow to America’s prestige around the world.”

It doesn't blame Trump, more says this division all started two decades ago and Trump has just given it steroids.

It is astounding though. A true change to the world order.

There is no doubt that the Pandemic has exposed the inherent weakness of the US States vs. Federal Government structure.

Trumps self-centred petty incompetence has absolutely magnified and amplified those weaknesses but they have always been there.

My 20 year old son said to me the other day - "We are watching the demise of a Super-Power in real-time". He is not wrong.

Just as images of people destroying the Berlin wall 30 years ago are now synonymous with the collapse of the USSR , footage of Trumps "press conferences" will be viewed in a similar light in years to come when we look back at when the US ceased to be a Super-power.

pixelburp

Quin_Dub wrote: »

There is no doubt that the Pandemic has exposed the inherent weakness of the US States vs. Federal Government structure.

Trumps self-centred petty incompetence has absolutely magnified and amplified those weaknesses but they have always been there.

My 20 year old son said to me the other day - "We are watching the demise of a Super-Power in real-time". He is not wrong.

Just as images of people destroying the Berlin wall 30 years ago are now synonymous with the collapse of the USSR , footage of Trumps "press conferences" will be viewed in a similar light in years to come when we look back at when the US ceased to be a Super-power.

I've been reluctant to dither into anything resembling hyperbolic declaration - but I'd be inclined to agree with that assessment. The fundamental structure and cohesion of the United States as an economic or social model is being severely undermined at the moment. It's certainly not outrageous to speculate that its stature as anything resembling a world power is eroding as the days go by. Its military clout might keep it at the top of the table, and maybe its cultural ties with the EU, but beyond that?

And before any storms in again declaring us to be preening, America no longer a super power would be a bad thing for the overall equilibrium of geopolitics. China in a position of uncontested primacy is not a particularly enticing prospect. Even if interventionist America has been a plague on parts of this world, a balanced geopolitical structure benefits everyone as a whole.

greenfield21

Well we can only hope America will turn into a complete basket case in the years ahead, hopefully Covid 19 will speed up that process. It's great that we are seeing the complete collaspe of the oil industry over there and all the indirect industry's reliant on it. For Saudi or Russia to back down now when the shale industry is on a cliff edge would be pure stupidity. Its time to throw it of and all the chaos it would bring.
China has already come for so many manufacturing jobs and will take many more in the years ahead. They need to step up their game now, they have already come for the low skilled manufacturing jobs and now they need to move up the value chain much faster to completely gut this sector. The world needs to leave the US with a 100% service based economy that is completely propped up by government support, debt and central bank intervention to keep all these dying companies alive. Turn it into a cesspit that will never recover because they deserve everything they get.

Leroy42

greenfield21 wrote: »

Well we can only hope America will turn into a complete basket case in the years ahead, hopefully Covid 19 will speed up that process. It's great that we are seeing the complete collaspe of the oil industry over there and all the indirect industry's reliant on it. For Saudi or Russia to back down now when the shale industry is on a cliff edge would be pure stupidity. Its time to throw it of and all the chaos it would bring.
China has already come for so many manufacturing jobs and will take many more in the years ahead. They need to step up their game now, they have already come for the low skilled manufacturing jobs and now they need to move up the value chain much faster to completely gut this sector. The world needs to leave the US with a 100% service based economy that is completely propped up by government and central bank to keep all these dying companies alive. Turn it into a cesspit that will never recover because they deserve everything they get.

Have you read up on China?

spacecoyote

greenfield21 wrote: »

Well we can only hope America will turn into a complete basket case in the years ahead, hopefully Covid 19 will speed up that process. It's great that we are seeing the complete collaspe of the oil industry over there and all the indirect industry's reliant on it. For Saudi or Russia to back down now when the shale industry is on a cliff edge would be pure stupidity. Its time to throw it of and all the chaos it would bring.
China has already come for so many manufacturing jobs and will take many more in the years ahead. They need to step up their game now, they have already come for the low skilled manufacturing jobs and now they need to move up the value chain much faster to completely gut this sector. The world needs to leave the US with a 100% service based economy that is completely propped up by government support, debt and central bank intervention to keep all these dying companies alive. Turn it into a cesspit that will never recover because they deserve everything they get.

With the military apparatus they have there the last thing that the world needs is for America to become a basket case, that could be seriously dangerous.

Reality is, as long as USD remains the worlds reserve currency, they'll remain a world power. If that changes, then there is a real chance of a fall if things continue as they are.

BonnieSituation

ECO_Mental wrote: »

Socialize the losses but keep all the profits........America is great isn't it.



I wouldn't mind if they pay all this back with interest or pay their fair share of tax for he next 50 years

Didn't Obama get the bailout companies to pay back what they got from TARP?