Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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pixelburp wrote: »

I've been reluctant to dither into anything resembling hyperbolic declaration - but I'd be inclined to agree with that assessment. The fundamental structure and cohesion of the United States as an economic or social model is being severely undermined at the moment. It's certainly not outrageous to speculate that its stature as anything resembling a world power is eroding as the days go by. Its military clout might keep it at the top of the table, and maybe its cultural ties with the EU, but beyond that?

And before any storms in again declaring us to be preening, America no longer a super power would be a bad thing for the overall equilibrium of geopolitics. China in a position of uncontested primacy is not a particularly enticing prospect. Even if interventionist America has been a plague on parts of this world, a balanced geopolitical structure benefits everyone as a whole.

Not that I believe China is going to want a Super Power status, the sort of nonsense Americans believe (the greatest country in the world rubbish) , but why would China being a Superpower not be enticing?

Midlife

hotmail.com wrote: »

Not that I believe China is going to want a Super Power status, the sort of nonsense Americans believe (the greatest country in the world rubbish) , but why would China being a Superpower not be enticing?

US may not be perfect but its a far cry from forced re-education camps.

pixelburp

hotmail.com wrote: »

Not that I believe China is going to want a Super Power status, the sort of nonsense Americans believe (the greatest country in the world rubbish) , but why would China being a Superpower not be enticing?

No monopoly in life, business, social or political, is ultimately a good thing. Whatever America's failings are, they're positively utopian compared with the authoritarianism of the single party state of China. Its government is antithetical to Western democracies, while its many human rights issues are a thread in of itself. America has some semblance of checks and balances, china, not so much.

Itssoeasy

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Didn't Obama get the bailout companies to pay back what they got from TARP?

Possibly the auto industry but I wouldn't swear to it.

Nody

hotmail.com wrote: »

Not that I believe China is going to want a Super Power status, the sort of nonsense Americans believe (the greatest country in the world rubbish) , but why would China being a Superpower not be enticing?

I'd argue China not only wants to be one but they do believe they are the greatest country in the world and the racism is rampant there on the topic as well. As for why not wanting them as a super power; for it's many faults USA is still by far the lesser evil of the two. USA does not run a full population audit of loyalty to the party etc. or restricts tens of million of people to travel because "their social score is to low". They do not have a firewall to ensure "the wrong information" comes in or decides to mass censure items that the leader decides they don't like and pretend it never existed (see winnie the pooh for example).

Quin_Dub

hotmail.com wrote: »

Not that I believe China is going to want a Super Power status, the sort of nonsense Americans believe (the greatest country in the world rubbish) , but why would China being a Superpower not be enticing?

Why would it be a concern to have a Totalitarian Police state as a Global Super Power?

Hmmmmm.. Let me think..

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Nody wrote: »

I'd argue China not only wants to be one but they do believe they are the greatest country in the world and the racism is rampant there on the topic as well. As for why not wanting them as a super power; for it's many faults USA is still by far the lesser evil of the two. USA does not run a full population audit of loyalty to the party etc. or restricts tens of million of people to travel because "their social score is to low". They do not have a firewall to ensure "the wrong information" comes in or decides to mass censure items that the leader decides they don't like and pretend it never existed (see winnie the pooh for example).

American news media is perhaps the worst in the Western world. They spent most of 1995 covering a murder trial.

All I can see is the damage of a powerful US state over the past 70 years and it's full of bombings and the spread of materialism.

Tell me how

hotmail.com wrote: »

Not that I believe China is going to want a Super Power status, the sort of nonsense Americans believe (the greatest country in the world rubbish) , but why would China being a Superpower not be enticing?

Seriously? When was the last time China had genuinely free and open elections?

everlast75

Anyone else notice Covid19 in force 4 months and there's not one Trump supporter on here saying that he's doing a good job?

everlast75

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1253064793818357765?s=19

Why is trump pushing this drug so hard?

Water John

That Dr. Bright that was sidelined, coming out swinging, not going quietly.
Giving it straight at Trump.

Harry Palmr

Georgia business pushes back against state governor

https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/1253034886258180097

hetuzozaho

This is off to a bad start already!

They are all over the place.

Jesus Trump back to downplaying it

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Tell me how wrote: »

Seriously? When was the last time China had genuinely free and open elections?

So you think free and open elections make a country great?

I'm not even sure America has open elections and up to half don't vote in them.

BonnieSituation

That's my cue to hightail it to CSPAN

BonnieSituation

BonnieSituation wrote: »

That's my cue to hightail it to CSPAN

Why?

fullstop

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1253064793818357765?s=19

Why is trump pushing this drug so hard?

He invested in a company selling it is my bet.

And ventilators...he's the king of ventilators now.

BonnieSituation

"I THINK THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS GOING TO HEED THE REQUEST TO RELOOK AT THEIR VACCINE HESITANCY "

C-SPAN transcript is in CAPS. So apologies. I'm not shouting.

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"You never mention it!"

What a child!

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Journalists have clearly had enough and are just gonna hammer him.

BonnieSituation

Deleted User wrote: »

Why?

To watch it. I don't turn it on until I see people in here complaining about him.



You can see the transcript live.

www.cspan.org

hetuzozaho

You know the way he talks every night about being hard done by, i.e. accurately quoted and reported on, does he actually believe it? I'm starting to think he believes he is right and everyone else is wrong and I think that is more depressing than him just lying to play the game.

Is there a bit of a Dunning–Kruger effect to it all.

BonnieSituation

"Tremendous testing capacities that the governors didn't know they had"

How the hell does this go on?

BonnieSituation

hetuzozaho wrote: »

You know the way he talks every night about being hard done by, i.e. accurately quoted and reported on, does he actually believe it? I'm starting to think he believes he is right and everyone else is wrong and I think that is more depressing than him just lying to play the game.

Of course he does. He's a delusional narcissist.

Quin_Dub

fullstop wrote: »

He invested in a company selling it is my bet.

And ventilators...he's the king of ventilators now.

That's already been confirmed.

gmisk

fullstop wrote: »

He invested in a company selling it is my bet.

And ventilators...he's the king of ventilators now.

Is this hydroxychloroquine?
Seemingly he had some financial interest in the product plus he saw being it pushed on Fox news a lot...I wish i was making that up.

hetuzozaho

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Of course he does. He's a delusional narcissist.

It's fascinating to watch. Him, the administration around him nodding, his millions of supporters nodding across the country. A room full of annoyed journalists who cannot even question him in a challenging way because he so far removed from that. The quote from the hangover, "You Are Literally Too Stupid To Insult" comes to mind.

signostic

47,000 dead but great air shows in store!

Toeuptony

gmisk wrote: »

Is this hydroxychloroquine?
Seemingly he had some financial interest in the product plus he saw being it pushed on Fox news a lot...I wish i was making that up.

I heard some people suggest that he might have a financial interest in it, but I thought they were joking and didn't realise it had been confirmed.

He truly is a snake oil salesman. "What have you got to lose?"

BonnieSituation

hetuzozaho wrote: »

It's fascinating to watch. Him, the administration around him nodding, his millions of supporters nodding across the country. A room full of annoyed journalists who cannot even question him in a challenging way because he so far removed from that. The quote from the hangover, "You Are Literally Too Stupid To Insult" comes to mind.

They've started to get more forceful.

gmisk

Toeuptony wrote: »

I heard some people suggest that he might have a financial interest in it, but I thought they were joking and didn't realise it had been confirmed.

He truly is a snake oil salesman. "What have you got to lose?"

Madness...how can anyone vote for this loon?!?
John Oliver programme this week covered it
https://youtu.be/dRFbwjwQ4VE