Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Jimmy Bottlehead

Yep. As noted, Trump speaks in short, easy to understand soundbites. He also repeats them continuously, and uses the same hyperbolic words all the time. If you tell a lie enough times and with enough vigor, the uneducated and those who want to hear a certain viewpoint can all be swayed without effort.

He'll get elected again. Biden offers nothing that is attractively alternative to Trump's base. He's bland and vanilla. Utterly forgettable. For all his faults, you get a show with Trump and a certain portion of Americans are in love with that.

everlast75

Another word to describe Trump and his followers who believe everything he says..

https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1253604763167531008?s=19

Everyday is a school day...

aloyisious

Drumpot wrote: »

Do you think Trump is lowering himself to his supporters or is he really not as intelligent as he looks? He is a person who has been gifted his fortune and used it to build up a fake persona of somebody who embodies success. I remember watching videos of Sarah Palin supporters who looked as informed as her but they had a very similar kind of mindset to Trumps. That’s why I found that link of Trump supporters so interesting and amusing, the comparison is remarkable because the same ignorance and belligerence is there. How do you take down a person like Trump? He’s actually a really dangerous person.

Lowering himself?, NO. The thing is that he's succeeded in bringing one party [the GOP] willingly down to his level, has done the same to the U.S itself and the message is getting out there that to beat him, you may have to go down to the GOP level now tactics-wise to ensure their candidate doesn't get re-elected. I still hope his statements and tweets cause him and the GOP to implode in Nov but the situation in the U.S is so SNAFU now each day that I think it might be better to just infill DC and start all over again elsewhere.

It's so bad now that I have to wait for the news headlines in Ireland to hear if an international pharmaceutical company has had to issue a health advisory to the world to IGNORE what the president of the U.S has said about using a disinfectant product of theirs, incredulous [no pun] as it seems.

robinph

aloyisious wrote: »

It's so bad now that I have to wait for the news headlines in Ireland to hear if an international pharmaceutical company has had to issue a health advisory to the world to IGNORE what the president of the U.S has said about using a disinfectant product of theirs, incredulous [no pun] as it seems.

When Dettol has to tell us the president of the US is an idiot it's really not a good sign:

BBC News wrote:

The world’s biggest manufacturer of disinfectants has issued a stark rebuttal of President Trump’s suggestion that injecting them could help treat coronavirus.

RB, the makers of Dettol and Lysol, warns against any internal use of the products.

“As a global leader in health and hygiene products, we must be clear that under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route).”

The statement adds that disinfectant and hygiene products “should only be used as intended and in line with usage guidelines

Blaze420

everlast75 wrote: »

Another word to describe Trump and his followers who believe everything he says..

https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1253604763167531008?s=19

Everyday is a school day...

Kim Jong Un actually got him spot on - Trump has gone full dotard.

Cody montana

Is “don’t drink the bleach“ going to replace “don’t drink the Kool aid”?

duploelabs

Cody montana wrote: »

Is “don’t drink the bleach“ going to replace “don’t drink the Kool aid”?

I'm sure Jim Jones preempted Trump by saying 'drink it, what have you got to lose?'

aloyisious

It's all OK folks, just in on a news message from WaPo. The White House issued a statement slamming the nasty media for irresponsibly taking the presidents statement out of context, attack is the best form of defence. The next question is: did the White House send the same message to the producers of Dettol after the Co put out its advisory disclaimer? Somehow I don't think they would risk doing so.

Blaze420

aloyisious wrote: »

It's all OK folks, just in on a news message from WaPo. The White House issued a statement slamming the nasty media for irresponsibly taking the presidents statement out of context, attack is the best form of defence. The next question is: did the White House send the same message to the producers of Dettol after the Co put out its advisory disclaimer? Somehow I don't think they would risk doing so.

What do the WH think has been taken out of context?? Those exact words came out of his mouth, no amount of deny or deflect will change that.

Timberrrrrrrr

Blaze420 wrote: »

What do the WH think has been taken out of context?? Those exact words came out of his mouth, no amount of deny or deflect will change that.

And yet some will tell you that what he said was an intelligent idea.

Blaze420

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And yet some will tell you that what he said was an intelligent idea.

I suggest they try it out in that case - the world needs more geniuses and less imbeciles right now.

robinph

aloyisious wrote: »

It's all OK folks, just in on a news message from WaPo. The White House issued a statement slamming the nasty media for irresponsibly taking the presidents statement out of context, attack is the best form of defence. The next question is: did the White House send the same message to the producers of Dettol after the Co put out its advisory disclaimer? Somehow I don't think they would risk doing so.

The "White House" somewhere in the chain of communication has someone with a hand on a brake to stop them issuing a denial statement which would result in a law suit. Needs the press to force Trump to get angry and say something stupid again on the podium that no amount of "he didn't mean the words that he actually said" can be used to attempt to diffuse it in a statement the next day.

Need Dettol and Toilet Duck to sue the White House. Needs one of those advisors with their head in their hands to the side of the Trump podium to grab the mic off him and say when he's talking nonsense, they will be "resigning" next week to spend more time with their family anyway. Those actually intelligent people need to use their moment of actually having a voice and stop just shaking their heads in disbelief in the background.

aloyisious

I saw a tweeted copy of the moments when the cameras panned to Dr Birx and her facial expressions were of how astounded she was listening to what Don was saying. The person sending the tweet uses the handle of Kevin the indoor biker and his video includes clouds with the imagined thoughts of Dr Birk in line with her changing expressions. I wont post the video here as it would be a NO NO on two levels. Just key in "Kevin the indoor biker" and bobs your uncle. htts://twitter.com/@polbikers might also appear on screen to confirm you've got the right address.

Manic Moran

Quin_Dub wrote: »

There is no doubt that the Pandemic has exposed the inherent weakness of the US States vs. Federal Government structure.

And at the same time the inherent strength. The distribution of powers and authorities to the fifty State governments from the Feds means that if any one government, be it a federal or State one, puts their foot in it, short of declaration of war with a greater power (Or a civil war, which is an issue most countries seem to deal with at some time), the other 50 governments will keep the place ticking over. Basically, a great federal government will not catapult the nation, whilst a terrible one will not destroy it.

I would be curious to know what your son thinks the fall of this superpower will look like in practice. Next year (unless the Democrats have utterly screwed this up) we'll be back to having someone presidential in the White House. California and Texas alone will still be akin to the 5th and 10th largest economies in the world, the US military is not vanishing and so on. In other words, with the exception of loss of national prestige and Trump generally becoming an object of derision personally, what has actually removed the US's claim to being a superpower?

The response to Biden might well be "Thanks Joe , we get that you're a decent guy and we'll get on well for the next few years, but what about the next guy ? "

A bridge that the country will cross when if it gets to it. Realistically, what nations are going to avoid the US because of what might happen in the elections? "Oh, we won't do this trade deal because though it will make us all lots of money in the normal run of business, and it will give us access to each others' populations, there's a chance that it will fall through in a few years."? Realpolitik is 'real' for a reason. You look at the now, not the past.

Zubeneschamali

Manic Moran wrote: »

Next year (unless the Democrats have utterly screwed this up) we'll be back to having someone presidential in the White House.

And as with Obama after Bush, many will imagine huge change is coming.

But no, America will still be America.

Leroy42

The real danger fo the the US is that is moving, and this has increased during Trumps time, away from being a united states and more towards a loose collection.

McConnell's point that certain, ie blue states should declare bankruptcy is just another point along the way. The likes of NY and Calif may start to question why they are paying funds into a central federal budget when they get nothing back (of course they do but it can be easily painted as they don't).

Whislt the EU is far shorter in life, nobody would have suggested 20 years again that the UK would Brexit, yet here we are. It could be similar in the states if the divisions continue to widen.

It is not about trade. It won't be a sudden thing. But if you think that a certain partner is no longer reliable you start to look at alternatives. And the US already got a pass from the GWB years, when Obama came in and smoothed everything over, but then Trump comes along and not only undoes all that work but actively makes things far worse.

It only really becomes noticeable after it has happened and the US starts to see, it already had according to some diplomats, there influence fade.

Of course none of this is none or certain, there are so many changing parts, not least the leaders of other countries, but the warning signs are very much there.

valoren

The dodge is that isn't what he said.

Obviously he didn't say words to the effect of "You should ingest bleach or disinfectants to cure yourself of Corona virus".

It's the insinuation of his ramblings. He hears that disinfectants can kill the virus and then starts musing about how it could potentially be used to be used inside the body, that it could have potential, right? As in, I'm no Doctor but I'm super smart, right? Disinfectant inside the body. That'll end well.

This is the same guy who peddled detonating nuclear weapons inside the eye of large, encroaching Hurricanes to inhibit them before they hit mainland USA. That kind of thing is laughable, happened behind closed doors, but his random, dangerous and public murmurings make headlines and it takes the manufacturers of Bleach-like products to release statements to explicitly re-iterate that the poisonous toxins in their products should not be taken internally.

That old gag from the Simpsons is prescient.

Kent Brockman: “If you have the fever, there’s only one cure: take two tickets and see the game Sunday morning.”

Announcer: “Warning, tickets should not be taken internally.” –

Homer: “See because of me, now they have a warning.”

transylman

Manic Moran wrote: »

A bridge that the country will cross when if it gets to it. Realistically, what nations are going to avoid the US because of what might happen in the elections? "Oh, we won't do this trade deal because though it will make us all lots of money in the normal run of business, and it will give us access to each others' populations, there's a chance that it will fall through in a few years."? Realpolitik is 'real' for a reason. You look at the now, not the past.

Tell that to the Kurds. An ethnic group that gave immense support to America for decades and they promptly get dumped by Trump on a whim. What other group is going to look at that and not wonder if they are not better off looking somewhere else like China? Harder to get countries cooperation (security, health, economic) higher prices to pay if you do want it. You are kidding yourself if you think that Trump has not made a major dent in Americas soft power, and by extension its future security.

PropJoe10

One of the most surreal clips I've seen for a very long time. A professional reporter trying not to laugh and two medical professionals unsure of what to say other than "please don't inject yourself with bleach". How has it come to this?

Roanmore

It's all OK, he was only being sarcastic.

The whole world picked him up wrong.

everlast75

Roanmore wrote: »

It's all OK, he was only being sarcastic.

The whole world picked him up wrong.

Yep - here's the quote on the record

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1253726334519574528?s=19

Jesus Christ - how thick does he think people are?

amandstu

everlast75 wrote: »

Yep - here's the quote on the record

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1253726334519574528?s=19

Jesus Christ - how thick does he think people are?

Sarcaustic?

PropJoe10

everlast75 wrote: »

Yep - here's the quote on the record

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1253726334519574528?s=19

Jesus Christ - how thick does he think people are?

Extremely. And unfortunately he's right, there's at least 30% of the US population that will believe his explanation and put the blame on the media. That's the world we are living in now.

sydthebeat

everlast75 wrote: »

Jesus Christ - how thick does he think people are?

the man actually believes he is the smartest human alive...

so yes, he does actually think all people are thick.

A Very Stable Genius

D. Trump. 2019

Outlaw Pete

PropJoe10 wrote: »

How has it come to this?

Opportunism, utilizing sanctimony and fake outrage - that's largely why we're here today.

Being disingenuous in an effort to fulfill an objective is nothing new, we've been seeing it going on for four years. 'He conspired with the Russians to fix the election!' is actually not much different to 'He's telling people to inject bleach!'. The left will use anything and everything to play on people's fears so they can manipulate how they think/choose to vote.

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1253604763167531008?s=19

Everyday is a school day...

Indeed, it is.

Maybe Susie should look up the word comprehension - given hers appears to be lacking. As sure would like to know how she justifies the parsing of a question someone posed, along with their pondering (be it idiotic or otherwise) to them having actually given advice.

Trump in no way shape or form advised people to inject bleach and that companies and medics are today are having to tell people not to do this has diddly zip to do with Trump's comments. What it has to do with it, obviously, is leftist hacks in the mainstream media seizing on the President's dumb question and then feverishly phoning around anyone and everyone that they think will give them a critical soundbite from. Tell a company that people are think of drinking their cleaning product and they will break their neck to the nearest mic asking people not to do that, especially with fish cleaner lady's recent actions. Same goes for medics, especially ones who still have wet hankies from November '16.

Itssoeasy

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

And as with Obama after Bush, many will imagine huge change is coming.

But no, America will still be America.

Well at the time Obama had too much hope placed on him and he was never going to live up to it fully. It was completely unrealistic in hindsight. Bush to Obama considering the current occupant of the White House looks like a normal handover. Even if Biden isn't the best candidate the democrats or America outside of trumps base, he'd be a welcome return to what America and frankfully the world considers normal.

The Phantom Jipper

What is the joke meant to be though, in this absurd excuse of his? This was a day where over 2000 Americans died from the virus and he's making jokes about how to save yourself from dying from it?

Igotadose

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Opportunism, utilizing sanctimony and fake outrage - that's largely why we're here today.

Trump in a nutshell.

Being disingenuous in an effort to fulfill an objective is nothing new, we've been seeing it going on for four years. 'He conspired with the Russians to fix the election!' is actually not much different to 'He's telling people to inject bleach!'. The left will use anything and everything to play on people's fears so they can manipulate how they think/choose to vote.

True again - Russia conspired to influence the election, and Trump advised using disinfectants internally to do something to Coronavirus. So, they're both true.

Trump in no way shape or form advised people to inject bleach and that

Uh? What *did* he say then? What about the UV rays, should those be taken internally.

What the companies and medics realize, is the words of the President of the United States have impact. All the time - look at the stock market manipulation Trump pulls. So, when he *says* something, defenders of the public well being have to reply.

companies and medics are today are having to tell people not to do this has diddly zip to do with Trump's comments.

Really? If Trump *hadn't* made those comments, would anyone have had anything to do? And, what's your opinion on using UV rays to prevent Coronavirus? Should that be researched? No virus ever was cured that way.

What it has to do with it, obviously, is leftist hacks in the mainstream media seizing on the President's dumb question and then feverishly phoning around anyone and everyone that they think will give them a critical soundbite from.

Aha. Didn't take long for the fake outrage and sanctimony

Tell a company that people are think of drinking their cleaning product and they will break their neck to the nearest mic asking people not to do that, especially with fish cleaner lady's recent actions. Same goes for medics, especially ones who still have wet hankies from November '16.

And now, blaming doctors and nurses who are putting their lives on the line for us with having 'wet hankies.' Your typical #IMPOTUS supporter - hiding in momma's basement regurgitating swill they gather online for jollies.

Midlife

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Opportunism, utilizing sanctimony and fake outrage - that's largely why we're here today.

Being disingenuous in an effort to fulfill an objective is nothing new, we've been seeing it going on for four years. 'He conspired with the Russians to fix the election!' is actually not much different to 'He's telling people to inject bleach!'. The left will use anything and everything to play on people's fears so they can manipulate how they think/choose to vote.



Indeed, it is.

Maybe Susie should look up the word comprehension - given hers appears to be lacking. As sure would like to know how she justifies the parsing of a question someone posed, along with their pondering (be it idiotic or otherwise) to them having actually given advice.

Trump in no way shape or form advised people to inject bleach and that companies and medics are today are having to tell people not to do this has diddly zip to do with Trump's comments. What it has to do with it, obviously, is leftist hacks in the mainstream media seizing on the President's dumb question and then feverishly phoning around anyone and everyone that they think will give them a critical soundbite from. Tell a company that people are think of drinking their cleaning product and they will break their neck to the nearest mic asking people not to do that, especially with fish cleaner lady's recent actions. Same goes for medics, especially ones who still have wet hankies from November '16.

So he's just an idiot then?

I mean he just mused about the possibility of internally consuming disinfectant.

He didn't tell people to take it. He just openly wondered about it for a little while.

And then said he was actually being sarcastic.

So what was he doing Pete. I reckon being an idiot but I'm curious for your take on it.

Itssoeasy

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

What is the joke meant to be though, in this absurd excuse of his? This was a day where over 2000 Americans died from the virus and he's making jokes about how to save yourself from dying from it?

That's his go to repsonse though when he's caught saying something stupid. It's wasn't meant to be taken serious(although something said by the president from the James Brady press room is normally taken seriously) which is a bad way to be.