Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

aloyisious

If one is go along with the notion [and that is an unsupported notion] that Don was only musing aloud when he passed the comments about injecting and using lights to cure the Covid-19 in infected patients, the question remains as to why he chose to do it live in front of an international TV audience instead of with his team of medical experts in the offscreen rooms behind the rostrum when he and they had the chance to discuss what was clearly on his mind earlier?

Is it that there is a chance that he did discuss the ideas with them earlier and their replies were not what he wanted to hear so [given his track record for trusting his personal instincts] he goes out live with them where they cant give him advice in public on his musings then? I am struck by Dr Birx's facial expressions when she is obliged to sit there and listen to his musings.

Is there even one single U.S taxpayer who would think it was better for Don to have done his "musing" live on air before a world TV audience instead of kicking the questions in his head around with his medical experts first so they could give him their expert advice about the medical certitude of his thoughts?

Even if one was to go along with his introduced "I was being sarcastic" comment to reporters after the fact, one would have to ask what kind of president [except one bored with the job] would go live with the comments he made.

mcmoustache

Itssoeasy wrote: »

That's his go to repsonse though when he's caught saying something stupid. It's wasn't meant to be taken serious(although something said by the president from the James Brady press room is normally taken seriously) which is a bad way to be.

When you're being sarcastic, it's clear that you're being sarcastic to everyone except that new guy who just started on the job today straight out of school.

everlast75

Midlife wrote: »

So he's just an idiot then?

I mean he just mused about the possibility of internally consuming disinfectant.

He didn't tell people to take it. He just openly wondered about it for a little while.

And then said he was actually being sarcastic.

So what was he doing Pete. I reckon being an idiot but I'm curious for your take on it.

You see - EVERYBODY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD IS STUPID, ANTI-TRUMPER FAKE NEWS LIBERALS... and the only people who know what's what is Trump et al.

Yeah, I know that sounds crazy, but it's true - I swear!

I swear to god, I wish Trump took his 30% and headed off to an island so that his stupidity could only affect those that signed up to it.

mcmoustache

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Opportunism, utilizing sanctimony and fake outrage - that's largely why we're here today.

Fake outrage is a tan suit.


A US president musing that people should look into the efficacy of injecting disinfectant and somehow taking sunlight internally, and that's being generous, is a bit outrageous.

Christy42

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Opportunism, utilizing sanctimony and fake outrage - that's largely why we're here today.

Being disingenuous in an effort to fulfill an objective is nothing new, we've been seeing it going on for four years. 'He conspired with the Russians to fix the election!' is actually not much different to 'He's telling people to inject bleach!'. The left will use anything and everything to play on people's fears so they can manipulate how they think/choose to vote.



Indeed, it is.

Maybe Susie should look up the word comprehension - given hers appears to be lacking. As sure would like to know how she justifies the parsing of a question someone posed, along with their pondering (be it idiotic or otherwise) to them having actually given advice.

Trump in no way shape or form advised people to inject bleach and that companies and medics are today are having to tell people not to do this has diddly zip to do with Trump's comments. What it has to do with it, obviously, is leftist hacks in the mainstream media seizing on the President's dumb question and then feverishly phoning around anyone and everyone that they think will give them a critical soundbite from. Tell a company that people are think of drinking their cleaning product and they will break their neck to the nearest mic asking people not to do that, especially with fish cleaner lady's recent actions. Same goes for medics, especially ones who still have wet hankies from November '16.

Come on then. Why was asking about injecting bleach into lungs some genius move.

People are quoting him at this point. Not making stuff up. As they always have but of course he never meant what he said. He always meant some genius. Even the times he doubled down. The warnings not to drink bleach are 100% to do with his comments. You think anyone would have bothered had he not mentioned it?

Just admit he is off his rocker.

everlast75

mcmoustache wrote: »

Fake outrage is a tan suit.


A US president musing that people should look into the efficacy of injecting disinfectant and somehow taking sunlight internally, and that's being generous, is a bit outrageous.

Another dictionary entry - this time Urban Dictionary.

"schrodinger's idiot"

When a person says something stupid and doesn't know any better, then says that they were joking to make themselves seem less dumb

BonnieSituation

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Opportunism, utilizing sanctimony and fake outrage - that's largely why we're here today.

Being disingenuous in an effort to fulfill an objective is nothing new, we've been seeing it going on for four years. 'He conspired with the Russians to fix the election!' is actually not much different to 'He's telling people to inject bleach!'. The left will use anything and everything to play on people's fears so they can manipulate how they think/choose to vote.



Indeed, it is.

Maybe Susie should look up the word comprehension - given hers appears to be lacking. As sure would like to know how she justifies the parsing of a question someone posed, along with their pondering (be it idiotic or otherwise) to them having actually given advice.

Trump in no way shape or form advised people to inject bleach and that companies and medics are today are having to tell people not to do this has diddly zip to do with Trump's comments. What it has to do with it, obviously, is leftist hacks in the mainstream media seizing on the President's dumb question and then feverishly phoning around anyone and everyone that they think will give them a critical soundbite from. Tell a company that people are think of drinking their cleaning product and they will break their neck to the nearest mic asking people not to do that, especially with fish cleaner lady's recent actions. Same goes for medics, especially ones who still have wet hankies from November '16.

No. Just no. No.

Why oh why are there always comments to seize upon?

How come everyone else can make it through a presser without something like this happening?

No.

Tell me how

everlast75 wrote: »

Another dictionary entry - this time Urban Dictionary.

"schrodinger's idiot"

When a person says something stupid and doesn't know any better, then says that they were joking to make themselves seem less dumb

Not to mention, that in an effort to deflect, at a time when 50K Americans have died from a pandemic, the President has to pretend that he was joking.

Joking at this time would be the low point in a lot of Presidents time in office, this one tries to use it as an excuse.

BonnieSituation

He was joking and being sarcastic and it had nothing to do with a letter he received during the week:

Revealed: leader of group peddling bleach as coronavirus 'cure' wrote to Trump this week

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus/

Absolutely nothing to do with this letter that's said bleach kills 99% of pathogens in the body and will kill Covid-19.

Nothing at all to do with this.

Nothing.

The Phantom Jipper

Itssoeasy wrote: »

That's his go to repsonse though when he's caught saying something stupid. It's wasn't meant to be taken serious(although something said by the president from the James Brady press room is normally taken seriously) which is a bad way to be.

As an excuse though, it doesn't even make sense. It says a lot that he'd rather be perceived to be making jokes about a pandemic that's killing thousands of americans every day, than just admit he was spoofing and misspoke.

one armed dwarf

“I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute,” Mr Trump said on Thursday. “One minute! And is there a way we can do something by an injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs . . . so it’d be interesting to check that.”

The President openly conjecturing if it is possible to treat people's lungs with disinfectant.

There is no way to equivocate the basic facts here. He said this. No need to jump through hoops. There is no massaging of the President's words by the 'leftist' media, these are the words he himself spoke.

PropJoe10

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Opportunism, utilizing sanctimony and fake outrage - that's largely why we're here today.

Being disingenuous in an effort to fulfill an objective is nothing new, we've been seeing it going on for four years. 'He conspired with the Russians to fix the election!' is actually not much different to 'He's telling people to inject bleach!'. The left will use anything and everything to play on people's fears so they can manipulate how they think/choose to vote.



Indeed, it is.

Maybe Susie should look up the word comprehension - given hers appears to be lacking. As sure would like to know how she justifies the parsing of a question someone posed, along with their pondering (be it idiotic or otherwise) to them having actually given advice.

Trump in no way shape or form advised people to inject bleach and that companies and medics are today are having to tell people not to do this has diddly zip to do with Trump's comments. What it has to do with it, obviously, is leftist hacks in the mainstream media seizing on the President's dumb question and then feverishly phoning around anyone and everyone that they think will give them a critical soundbite from. Tell a company that people are think of drinking their cleaning product and they will break their neck to the nearest mic asking people not to do that, especially with fish cleaner lady's recent actions. Same goes for medics, especially ones who still have wet hankies from November '16.

I had an interesting discussion with a friend earlier and I think you're a good case in point. At this stage, people like you are so invested in defending the indefensible from Trump that they're actually completely blinded and incapable of admitting that they may have made a mistake about him. It literally makes no difference what he says or does, he's doing the right thing, is innocent of whatever he's being accused of and that's the end of the matter.

It's like the old saying of the mother looking at her son marching out of step in an army of thousands and saying "look, everyone's out of step apart from my Jimmy".

I see this evening that Trump has now claimed he was being sarcastic on purpose. If that is the case, how do you feel about him making sarcastic and misleading statements from an official White House briefing when upwards of 50,000 Americans have died from this virus? No "my thoughts are with the affected" or other such statements? Instead, playing games with the press on fake and dangerous "treatments" for a serious illness? How do you feel about that?

pixelburp

Only in the Trump Presidency can said president claim sarcasm, in a press conference for Corvid-19, is a BETTER scenario than seriously suggesting people inject bleach into their systems. "What have you got to lose?" He asked of trying chloroquine (sp). We know how that went of course.

Is flippant sarcasm the right place for these conferences? Should Simon Harris crack a few sarcastic comments during his briefings? Suggest the Drain Doctor make house calls with bleaching services? Of course not, it's a patently absurd, perverse and farcical idea yet here we are. Bad Faith Actors trying to make this about messengers twisting innocent words, of someone singularly incapable of handling a crisis with a modicum of sense.

It's a supremely arrogant defence to insist that even in the face of recorded evidence of incompetence, that the fault lies with the recording equipment -, or those who have the temerity to take the sitting US President at his word. Easier to talk of hacks than address the incompetence and intellectual bankruptcy of Your Man.

MadYaker

Manic Moran wrote: »

And at the same time the inherent strength. The distribution of powers and authorities to the fifty State governments from the Feds means that if any one government, be it a federal or State one, puts their foot in it, short of declaration of war with a greater power (Or a civil war, which is an issue most countries seem to deal with at some time), the other 50 governments will keep the place ticking over. Basically, a great federal government will not catapult the nation, whilst a terrible one will not destroy it.

I would be curious to know what your son thinks the fall of this superpower will look like in practice. Next year (unless the Democrats have utterly screwed this up) we'll be back to having someone presidential in the White House. California and Texas alone will still be akin to the 5th and 10th largest economies in the world, the US military is not vanishing and so on. In other words, with the exception of loss of national prestige and Trump generally becoming an object of derision personally, what has actually removed the US's claim to being a superpower?



A bridge that the country will cross when if it gets to it. Realistically, what nations are going to avoid the US because of what might happen in the elections? "Oh, we won't do this trade deal because though it will make us all lots of money in the normal run of business, and it will give us access to each others' populations, there's a chance that it will fall through in a few years."? Realpolitik is 'real' for a reason. You look at the now, not the past.

Trump has set a precedent here. Before this America has presidents of a certain calibre. From now on everyone will look at an American president and think yeah this guy is ok but what if we get another Trump in 2/3/4 years? F*ck that, let’s look to China for help instead. The CCP are going nowhere. Confidence of trust has been shattered.

Trumps botched handling of this is going to lead to a deep recession that probably won’t manifest itself fully until late this year as America will be grappling with this virus for most of 2020. Meanwhile the Chinese are back in business for over a month now.

aloyisious

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Opportunism, utilizing sanctimony and fake outrage - that's largely why we're here today.

Disingenuous: ADJECTIVE
not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

The person who used the words commented on by the media was the president live on air before a world-wide audience. It's disingenuous in the extreme to ignore that fact the way you did above unless, of course, you think Don is an idiot and didn't know what the reaction to his words would be. He was hardly being disingenuous, was he?

One way of judging the truth and seriousness of the situation he created with his words is the speed with which the firm producing Dettol reacted to his words with a medical advisory that people were NOT to do what the President directly commented on, a specific method of using Dettol on their bodies.

Outlaw Pete

mcmoustache wrote: »

Fake outrage is a tan suit.

It's being suggested that Trump should be removed from office over his comments. Don't recall the tan suit eliciting that sort of reaction. Benghazi
and Fast and Furious perhaps, but defo not the tan suit.

Christy42 wrote: »

Come on then. Why was asking about injecting bleach into lungs some genius move.

Bill Bryan, the DHS science and technology directorate discussed a federal study which indicated that the coronavirus is weakened by exposure to sunlight. Trump then spoke right after and appeared to reference a conversation he had already had with Bryan, says it all sounds interesting, especially the UV light studies. He then starts speaking about disinfectant and the effect it has on coronavirus outside the body and ASKS "Is there a way we can do something LIKE that" by way of injection. Nobody could reasonably mistake him asking that question for him giving advice but for the fact that the media along with the left made it something it wasn't.

People are quoting him at this point. Not making stuff up.

They absolutely are making stuff up as he never told anyone to inject anything and it is being said in the media (and implied on this very thread) that he did.

The warnings not to drink bleach are 100% to do with his comments.

You go from saying people are merely quoting him to then justifying the "don't drink bleach" nonsense.

You think anyone would have bothered had he not mentioned it?

What an odd question. If he didn't make the comment would anyone have bothered misrepresenting it?? Eh, how could they misrepresent it if he didn't make it?

Pedro K

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

It's being suggested that Trump should be removed from office over his comments. Don't recall the tan suit eliciting that sort of reaction. Benghazi
and Fast and Furious perhaps, but defo not the tan suit.



Bill Bryan, the DHS science and technology directorate discussed a federal study which indicated that the coronavirus is weakened by exposure to sunlight. Trump then spoke right after and appeared to reference a conversation he had already had with Bryan, says it all sounds interesting, especially the UV light studies. He then starts speaking about disinfectant and the effect it has on coronavirus outside the body and ASKS "Is there a way we can do something LIKE that" by way of injection. Nobody could reasonably mistake him asking that question for him giving advice but for the fact that the media along with the left made it something it wasn't.



They absolutely are making stuff up as he never told anyone to inject anything and it is being said in the media (and implied on this very thread) that he did.



You go from saying people are merely quoting him to then justifying the "don't drink bleach" nonsense.



What an odd question. If he didn't make the comment would anyone have bothered misrepresenting it?? Eh, how could they misrepresent it if he didn't make it?

Taking all of that at face value, do you then admit that injecting disinfectants or getting them into the lungs is a ridiculously stupid thing to be asking or conjecturing about on a world stage?

mcmoustache

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

He then starts speaking about disinfectant and the effect it has on coronavirus outside the body and ASKS "Is there a way we can do something LIKE that" by way of injection.

And most are rightfully saying that this is stupid. Do you not think that the suggestion was stupid?

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

They absolutely are making stuff up as he never told anyone to inject anything and it is being said in the media (and implied on this very thread) that he did.

That's a really low bar you have there, as I said on the remedial thread. Have many been saying that he ordered people to inject themselves? From what I've seen, people are annoyed that he suggested that the idea had some merit during an official press briefing.


It would be fine to muse about that kind of sh!te when you're 17 in a basement at 4 in the morning after smoking spliffs all night but people listen to the words of the US president, or at least they used to but some still do and people act on what they hear. That's why his stupid musings are stupid - they have real consequences.

hetuzozaho

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Trump in no way shape or form advised people to inject bleach and that companies and medics are today are having to tell people not to do this has diddly zip to do with Trump's comments. What it has to do with it, obviously, is leftist hacks in the mainstream media seizing on the President's dumb question and then feverishly phoning around anyone and everyone that they think will give them a critical soundbite from.

You are obsessed with mainstream media.
We are watching these live. I watch them streamed by Trump's White House.

Last night without any MSM:

Cody montana wrote: »

is he suggesting drinking disinfectant and standing in the sun?

I think you need to turn off the MSM man.

Water John

BonnieSituation wrote: »

He was joking and being sarcastic and it had nothing to do with a letter he received during the week:



Absolutely nothing to do with this letter that's said bleach kills 99% of pathogens on the body and will kill Covid-19.

Nothing at all to do with this.

Nothing.

You got it spot on Bonnie. No doubt this is the source of the lunatic idea.
It would be like having Gemma O'Doherty as Taoisech here.

mcmoustache

hetuzozaho wrote: »

You are obsessed with mainstream media.
We are watching these live. I watch them streamed by Trump's White House.

That's why had have so much contempt for the idea that people are just biased against Trump because of some leftist, yet corporate media that insists on both-sidesing everything in the US.


It's like they have no idea that these briefings are broadcast live and are available in their entirety on youtube. There's no lack of context. The whole stupid two hours or so of these are available.

Zubeneschamali

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Even if Biden isn't the best candidate the democrats or America outside of trumps base, he'd be a welcome return to what America and frankfully the world considers normal.

Trump will have killed more Americans than any prez since WWII, but probably fewer non Americans than even Obama.

So no worries from over here.

hetuzozaho

mcmoustache wrote: »

That's why had have so much contempt for the idea that people are just biased against Trump because of some leftist, yet corporate media that insists on both-sidesing everything in the US.

It's like they have no idea that these briefings are broadcast live and are available in their entirety on youtube. There's no lack of context. The whole stupid two hours or so of these are available.

Yep, I don't watch or read CNN etc (didn't realise it was even a common thing here). And I'm not some fan of Nancy Pelosi or Obama. It's such an ignorant/juvenile way to discuss anything.

I think even one of the journalists the other night was questioning him and he was like 'But Nancy Pelosi was in ChYYYYnatown' and she said something like "I don't care what Nancy...", I nearly applauded the TV.

banie01

That Don and the WH spin team are trying to spin this as initially Don being misquoted, being taken out of context and being painted as a bad guy by the fake news was bad...

Don blowing that excuse out of the water by claiming "sarcasm" to try an entrap those mean reporters is even worse!

Sarcasm? When at the time over 48000 Americans were dead of a virus that a little over month ago he was continuing to claim would disappear?

I have watched, and rewatched the entire presser.
At no point did Don address any of the comments regarding disinfectant, light or heat to the reporter corp.
It was a stream of consciousness brain fart that he then followed up with specific questions to Dr Birx.

Presenting the exchange in any other way, would point to already having drank the Kool-aid...
Won't be to long before the Clorox is a chaser.

Blueshoe

MadYaker wrote: »

Trump has set a precedent here. Before this America has presidents of a certain calibre. From now on everyone will look at an American president and think yeah this guy is ok but what if we get another Trump in 2/3/4 years? F*ck that, let’s look to China for help instead. The CCP are going nowhere. Confidence of trust has been shattered.

Trumps botched handling of this is going to lead to a deep recession that probably won’t manifest itself fully until late this year as America will be grappling with this virus for most of 2020. Meanwhile the Chinese are back in business for over a month now.

Nobody will mess with America while Trump is in charge though. He is likely to do anything and everything. He has no problem putting his first thing in the morning thoughts on social media either.

A different president could be seen as weaker. His meetings with the Korean nutball were unprecedented. Iran is sh1ting it's pants. He bombed the second most powerful military leader in the country like it was nothing.

As time passes China Vs US for world leader will become more and more to the fore. Since we are a western world country a strong US is in our benefit.

BonnieSituation

mcmoustache wrote: »

That's why had have so much contempt for the idea that people are just biased against Trump because of some leftist, yet corporate media that insists on both-sidesing everything in the US.


It's like they have no idea that these briefings are broadcast live and are available in their entirety on youtube. There's no lack of context. The whole stupid two hours or so of these are available.

2 hours?

So you think that these people who have notoriously short attention spans believe that others ie. us, would sit through a press conference? Pfft. [sar]

Trump gets away with having so much of the crap he says going unreported because there's just too much of it to report. So it's not surprising that his base think that the rest of us are brainwashed, because they think that whatever is reported is the sole amount of things he says.

I'm convinced that they don't believe what we think is not biased because they don't know that these rallies and pressers are drawn out affairs. And they certainly have no idea how much crap he talks.

I just have to keep telling myself that there is clearly something I'm missing. Because I just don't get how a nation can be this collectively moronic to the degree that it is.

Carfacemandog

BonnieSituation wrote: »

He was joking and being sarcastic and it had nothing to do with a letter he received during the week:



Absolutely nothing to do with this letter that's said bleach kills 99% of pathogens in the body and will kill Covid-19.

Nothing at all to do with this.

Nothing.

I would say I'm shocked, but I'm not. Just like there is no surprise seeing Trump fans go from "he never said that!" to "he was only being sarcastic when he said that!" in a matter of hours (this is why the usually lie low until the right wing bubblenprovides a narrative for them to push).

Once you realise there truly is no bottom with these people, none of this becomes even remotely surprising anymore.

mcmoustache

Blueshoe wrote: »

Nobody will mess with America while Trump is in charge though. He is likely to do anything and everything. He has no problem putting his first thing in the morning thoughts on social media either.

A different president could be seen as weaker. His meetings with the Korean nutball were unprecedented. Iran is sh1ting it's pants. He bombed the second most powerful military leader in the country like it was nothing.

As time passes China Vs US for world leader will become more and more to the fore. Since we are a western world country a strong US is in our benefit.

Kim's tin-pot dictatorship ran rings around him by sending a beautiful letter and bought themselves time. Iran replaced that human with another human and very dodgy countries are taking advantage of the US by lining the pockets of a president who is more than willing to accept their overtures.


Your post is not the worst that I've seen here but it's quite bad.

rossie1977

Blueshoe wrote: »

Nobody will mess with America while Trump is in charge though. He is likely to do anything and everything. He has no problem putting his first thing in the morning thoughts on social media either.

A different president could be seen as weaker. His meetings with the Korean nutball were unprecedented. Iran is sh1ting it's pants. He bombed the second most powerful military leader in the country like it was nothing.

As time passes China Vs US for world leader will become more and more to the fore. Since we are a western world country a strong US is in our benefit.

Us military spending is more than rest of the world combined. China hasn't even one operational nuclear powered carrier, they have by far the world's most ic ballistics ready to use in minutes. No country is messing with US full stop regardless if Donald Duck is in charge.

Re: Korea, it's on record how media in the US reacted towards Obama potentially talking with Kim and Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMJakLzPags

ancapailldorcha

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